Bar tuning

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lex123
lex123
NSW
511 posts
NSW, 511 posts
23 Oct 2007 9:24pm
2006 Slingshot Turbodiesel 12m with original setup.

G'day Im fairly new at this and my DVD's only show me how to do this with a 'c'.
After a session at narrabeen the other day i noticed that my back lines were quite slack compared to my front lines when the kite is in neutral over my head. This seemed to make my turning very slow and delayed.
Is this normal for a bow?.

When tuning the bar are the back lines ment to be equal tension/length as the center lines when attached at a single fixed point? If so, what is the best way to rectify this?.

Cheers
Alex
Stuart Andrews
Stuart Andrews
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
24 Oct 2007 1:14am
im also interested to know how this works. was flying a slingshot link (4 line setup) at mellvile recently, and a friendly bloke told me the back lines were a bit slack. does this make the kite a bit sluggish, and can it be fixed by attatching the lines to the bridle on a higher or lower knot?
youngbull
youngbull
QLD
826 posts
QLD, 826 posts
24 Oct 2007 3:37am
YES the lines will be slack due to the bar being pushed out to depower the kite. And yes it will turn slower but your kite is depowered. This is a simple thing that you should have been tought in a lesson.

Older kites can still power on even though the back lines are slack and yes you do loose turning ability, but the kite is depowered.

You could either extend your front lines or shorten your rear line's to achieve a certain amount of more power and steering, however you can choke the kite or loose alot of depower by doing this over the capacity of the kite.

Have a play with the settings in your line setup (higher/lower knots) and find what suits you best(depending on the wind range).

Oh and 4 line 5 line it's all pretty much the same.

Talk to people in your local kitting area. This is a really simple thing. You should know this......

O and your kite lines could be to old and have stretched.

peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
24 Oct 2007 11:25am
things never cease to amaze me.

link/TD if you read your manual it will tell you that when you pull the bar all the way in the lines should be of equal length. (i think TD you have to pull 1cm of depower on = 0.5cm at the end of lines diff)

assuming that is correct, AND you attach your kite to say the middle knots on your pig tails (all this more power / less power on the knots is crap anyway) and you pull the bar all the way in the kite will power up nicely and in less wind will stall and fall backwards.

If when setup this way your back lines are slack and you can't turn the kite, you have the bar too far out! simple as that.. if you find that in a comfy riding stance your lines are slack it may be that your arms are too long and your lines are slack coz you ride with the bar out, now shorten your back lines using the knots so its in a good place for you to ride, if your arms are very short and you oversheet all the time being comfy the make em longer.

trade off is about an inch either side of MAX power that on a link / TD you don't need anyway.

I think if people understood this very basic consept of kite tuning/line lengths the world would be a better place and all world poverty would go away.
lex123
lex123
NSW
511 posts
NSW, 511 posts
24 Oct 2007 12:49pm
peanutcus, the Td manual explains nothing about tuning the bar and the length of the lines. It only tells me about the ajustable stopper ball and teh depower line which i can use to ajust the length of my front lines and inturn fix my back lines. Although im worried that this will change the aspect ratio of the kite too much.

Is it safe to assume that with my bow, the front and back lines should all be the same length when attached at a single attachment point?.

I only have a version of teh manual i found online, so im sorry if there is some im missing.
sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
NSW, 509 posts
24 Oct 2007 1:59pm
On any slingshot kite the lines should be all even lengths, you can change the length by using different knots on the kite to customise where your most comfortable with the bar aqnd power.
Changing attachments won't cahnge the aspect raio of the kite that is set when made as aspect is length to width..
hope this helps
peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
24 Oct 2007 2:27pm
lex,

the point I'm trying to make to you that is unless your bar is all the way in and your back lines are still slack (the kite would feel like it has no power) then there is probably no problem!

some kites (SB1) when depowered lots will have no back line tension and still fly quite stable. a TD will usually invert with no back line tnesion.

so general tip here is - pull the bar in more! if you hit the stop then you have a problem. BUT ensure that you rig your lines to the kite using the middle knots for everything. if you feel that you can't pull the bar enough then make the front lines longer on the knots. if STILL a problem try make the back lines shorter on the knots.

All your doing here is moving the neutral point of the bar up and down an inch or so.

with a TD, check all your pullys are free and ok too.

if your still having issues I can meet you at narra on longy some time and explain it and test your kite out.
lex123
lex123
NSW
511 posts
NSW, 511 posts
24 Oct 2007 2:44pm
Thanx peanuticus, my questions have been answed.
cammck
cammck
QLD
108 posts
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24 Oct 2007 2:48pm
Damn, I read the Topic and thought this may be an opportunity for me to get some tips on chatting up women at the pub. Colour me dissapointed.

Camo
NJPornstar
NJPornstar
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
24 Oct 2007 1:00pm
Check this out.

seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=6116

Basically all kites are tuned the same.
lex123
lex123
NSW
511 posts
NSW, 511 posts
24 Oct 2007 3:59pm
Thanx NJpornstar,, by the looks of that my kite is about right mby a little loose.

As for u Cammck, you might like to try "i may not be the best looking guy here, but im the only one talking to you". JK
Stuart Andrews
Stuart Andrews
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
25 Oct 2007 12:26am
when i pull my bar the whole way in my back lines are still a bit too slack. i'll try shortening the back lines and lengthening the front lines (currently using the middle knot for both of them).

so just to make sure i understand, all this does is give a slightly hiher max power, whilst reducing depower?

thanks for your help
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
VIC, 772 posts
25 Oct 2007 2:41am
Yeah something like that, but like the peanut said, you'll only be changing the neutral bar position by an inch or so.

Just to add another twist to all this, (well two actually) if you power the bastards up too much, you can stall them and make them fly backwards into the power zone (in this situation push the bar away). Also i find that the kite points up wind better the more it is flying off the front lines, ie slack back lines.

And finally, is that a pick up line below stuart?? we have some odd language


quote:
Originally posted by Stuart Andrews

when i pull my bar the whole way in my back lines are still a bit too slack

Stuart Andrews
Stuart Andrews
WA
23 posts
WA, 23 posts
25 Oct 2007 2:11pm
haha not quite mate

i have oversheeted my kite so that it forms a kind of 'donut' and had it fall out of the sky. pretty sure it can only happen in lighter winds though?
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