so tez are you saying you dont ride a surfboard anymore? and gone back to twin tips it hasnt been over 3 foot in a long time so we got to bum wiggle on something sounds like a mid life crisis coming on (joking tez) ride both & have fun some like twins & some like there surfboards dont matter if you rip or your a bum wriggler
ride for the fun & thrill of it.
good clip loyd rippingand well done kelly filming ,now its your turn loyd to sit on the beach & film your sister

yeeessss he is awesome, riding with him the other day thought i did a good jump then i saw him do masssive air/ grablanded with perfection.
shut me down a bit

Just imagine how good he could be if he wasn't held back by a silly old doona

brett1112 said...

Mr float said...

Just imagine how good he could be if he wasn't held back by a silly old doona

Hey? i don't get that one sorry

HI Brett, I see you're new to kiting.
What Mr Float refers to as doona is a Peter Lynn kite. Twin skin as apposed to leading edge inflatable (LEI). way back in the dark ages kiters believed that PL kites were for beginners and LEI were for advanced riders. Today the PL kite has developped into a great freestylers kite. Bottom line- a great rider looks great on any piece of cloth

Get a lesson on one. you'll figure it out for yourself. By the way Float- in 8 ft Dicko my dooner doesn't hold me back, it just holds me up (beats drowning)

Have to disagree Mr Float (no pun intended) about relaunch of a foil - today's closed cell foils relaunch probably quicker and easier than most LEI. Speaking from experience - I ride a flysurfer Pulse 2 10m (6months) in the surf with surfboard. It relaunches very quickly and has the habit of sitting on top of the water (it weighs 2.3kg inflated) and would basically need a big barrel over it to push it under for a second or 2, even then it pops up and if you know what your doing (like all kite relaunches) you get the chance to relaunch again quickly.
Most foils will also backwards relaunch by pulling on rear lines this raises the kite 5-10m off the water after which you release one line and let the kite spin 180 so that leading edge is pointing skywards - let the bar go and up she goes so a few different ways to relaunch not just roll on back steer to side of wind window and relaunch.
I have had the kite take on water but in both cases I pulled the kite towards me by the front lines which is a NO NO for foils as this pushes water into the air intake valve so my fault there but no damage to kite and was still able to drag the kite onto the beach as it was still 3/4 full of air. I guess it harder to explain and even harder for a tube rider to imagine how the relaunch will happen and how it doesn't take on water every time you drop it but I can only say I have been kiting 3 years with tubes and 6 months with a foil and I am very happy with the switch - just today I dropped the kite 3 or 4 times on a down winder in the surf and was able to relaunch immediately with no water taken on board....
I look forward to taking my foil to the snow this Winter, already use it and my 4m foil with my skateboard (longboard) when conditions too ****ty to hit the water.... has killed quite a few dud Sundays over the last 6months...
Tube kites are great I have used them for 3 years now my last one was a Switch 3 12m which is an awesome kite - I kept it for a further 6months after buying the Pulse 2 and never went back to it so sold it last month....There are advantages and disadvantages to both kites like all things but I guess I can talk from the experience of owning both now - I would recommend ppl try a foil especially the new designs as they are closing the gap in user friendliness and performance - I certainly wouldn't be keen to use one of the older pre 2006 foils either as they weren't up to scratch but the new ones are worth a look at...
Good luck to Lloyd - looks like we have a potential world champ from OZ!

good winds - Joffa

Anyone who searches this forum for comments on Peter Lynn kites will always find Mr Floats passionate stance on the subject.

His sarcasm in this post is warranted and noticed!!!

Bigwavedave said...

Anyone who searches this forum for comments on Peter Lynn kites will always find Mr Floats passionate stance on the subject.

His sarcasm in this post is warranted and noticed!!!

yeah me and quite a few others over the years, something that seems to be lost on the comapny .their attitude would be akin to brocky doing a victory lap around MT Panorama with his middle finger pointed directly at the adoring holden fans (sacriledge)

Batton_holder, In case Joffa doesn't respond...I use Flysurfers. Pulse 2s and modified Speed 1s. The Pulse 2 performs in many ways similarly to SLEs when the bar is dropped. So, in your example of the kite at 45 at the edge of the window, it will hang around for a bit but gradually fly to the water. It is NOT like some arcs which auto zenith (Mr Float will no doubt confirm, though with sarcasm laced through his post, which PL models auto zenith).

Mr float said...

Rovert said...

Batton_holder, In case Joffa doesn't respond...I use Flysurfers. Pulse 2s and modified Speed 1s. The Pulse 2 performs in many ways similarly to SLEs when the bar is dropped. So, in your example of the kite at 45 at the edge of the window, it will hang around for a bit but gradually fly to the water. It is NOT like some arcs which auto zenith (Mr Float will no doubt confirm, though with sarcasm laced through his post, which PL models auto zenith).

all of them do (no sarcasm)
oh dear this could now become another auto zenith thread .
now I think the reason batton (Frank ) is asking the question is becasue it has come up in conversations with frank and lloyd about how to diminish or get rid of it ,because in lloys case it is a hinderance in some tricks that he is going for (lloyd can probably elaborate on which ones). there has been wonderment about why a bridleless foil (arc,venom ,synergy) auto zeniths and a bridled foil doesn't. i believe that Peter's thoughts (original designer and person who's name is on the kite)and that of others in the R&D dept have been sought regarding this and if possible to be turned off if possible .Frank (Batton) had the idea that lloyd should maybe focus on tricks where auo zenith is not a problem 9answers have not been forthcoming)and when I was talking with lloyd the other day we were thinking that the auto zenith feature has actually forced him to do tricks that really have the WOW factor in their enormity ,style and originality .(hence this thread) and maybe its not actually such a bad thing .(please note that i am not trying to excuse auto zenith or the lack of answers on what casuses it and how it can be dimished /turned off )

Its interesting that synergy Auto Z's less than V2's.
C kites seem better unhooked than bows, but don't offer the depower of synergy. the ideal is a kite that is neither auto no anti Z with the depower of the synergy. This is for the aero engineers

brett1112 said...

this is the same guy?

yes .At blacksmiths beach yesterday .(lloyd you owe Kelly again!)

Charl dv said...

i dont see kiteloop pull? are PL kites gutless in loops?

yes yet another ****ty thing about them