troll on!

wow and thats really good coming from north when there newest kite doesnt even relaunch....

Well you have to give them credit its a nice kite to fly without all the extra baggage a bow kite has like.
Inversions
Bridles that get caught on your wingtips
Pulleys
The messy bar setups with those stupid depower straps
And of coures the wonderful Cabrinha workmanship where some of the stitching is starting to wear after just one season and the bridles are wearing as well.I have flown the rebel and its a step in the right direction.

It's either a trick or self-delusion. KW says that bows suck and he would never stoop to bringing out something so crappy as a bow.

All the C-kite diehards sit around saying yeah bows suck.

North then bring out the Rebel which has all the attributes of a bow kite. Curved tips, concave trailing edge, leading edge bridle. All the C-kite diehards dash off and buy it because it's North and it's "not a bow".

The only difference between the Rebel and other bows is that other bows use some sort of pulley arrangement to attach the leading edge bridle to the front lines and North uses a 5th line (the same as the Ozone Instinct).

That just means that there are 4 types of bow kite now. The Legaignoux style with pulleys between the front and rear lines. The Sonic style with the front lines attached directly to pulleys, the 5th line format and the WindWing with no pulleys at all.

Bows rock....dunno why they create such a stir.

Bows have many issues that are negative and most have been listed here. Personally I agree that they are not as enjoyable to ride as a 'c' and the de-power is an annoyance when you let the bar go to unspin it ! The inversion thing is downright dangerous and scary as **** if it happens high up in the air !

Saying that 'c' kites lack of de-power makes them far more dangerous I agree.

The exception to this is the BEST Waroo ! It rides like a 'c' and de-powers like a bow - Even on a standard bar.

I imagine that all the next generation of bows will be as good as the Waroo and then the old 'c' kiters will have no chance but to change over !

If you have not ridden the Waroo don't wate your time arguing ! - I have ridden both Cabrinahs alot and also the Airush bow - I can only hope the "BIG" comanies swallow their pride and take notice of this marvelous kite !

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Originally posted by poor relative

YAWN......
Waroo's don't invert i guess??

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dont know about everyone else but my waroo doesnt. and hasnt throughout this winters gusty SW'ers and my poor attempts at jumping. not saying there arent better kites but I think its pretty good.

bows suck!!! i should know 5 cent told me, he has a pink waroo, noone knows who he is.

The North rebel is far being from a bow. It's plan shape actually doesn't have a concaved trailing edge (as with the Naish Shockwave). Both these kites were designed from scratch, not copies of an existing design.

KW has tried endless numbers of proto types of bow/bridal kites, and doens't like the side effects of the bridale and off axis flying plain. To achieve the same goal as the bow (DEPOWER) but keep the kite flying nicely was an extremely impressive achievement! It took more proto types to get this to work than any other kite. The rebel has all the good attributes of the bow family, but also has all the attributes that the bows can't achieve(i.e. that C-kites have)! BTW, there is no bridal on the Rebel, since when have we been calling a 5th line a bridal? The duel contact points just add some extra stability, you'll see that Naish have done this aswell, makes tuning your 5th line length a little less of an art form, no more advertising for McDonalds by numpties!

Anyway, like every kite out there, you gotta try it before making your mind up on weather YOU like the kite or not. Just remember some people still ride rollerblades and like them! thats up to them!

regards,

JB

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Originally posted by kiterpilot

Yeah I'd have to add Poorreli that if you pump them up properly they dont invert !. Most issues have come from underinflated leading edge bladders.

PS, Cant wait to try my 2007 waroo pro out when it arrives... ARH only five minutes drive from my new house to the beach... bring on summer

And going on the specs i've seen for both the waroo and waroo pro (pretty much the diff is in the fabric) I'd have to say while the waroo pro will be the top level performer in this range the waroo standard model would have to be the BEST value for money product in our line of 2007 models.

regards browneee

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Yeah yeah yeah yeah..........Cool on the new house Brownee, hopefully see you in the water a bit more often this season eh??
Hows the knee doing??

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=2168

Looks pretty concave to me. Looks just like any other bow kite.

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Originally posted by bondo

of course, in a year of bow use including northern and southern hemisphere winters there have been no deaths, OTOH, several deaths on C's over the same period. Im not saying you cant be killed on a bow (Im certain you could if you tried hard enough), but the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. There seems to be a lot of kiters quick to point out the safety issues around bows, maybe because these are used as their biggest selling point, but they conveniently forget the persistent safety issues around C kites that keep leading people to die on them.

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No deaths on Bows in the last year doesn't prove that Bows are safer than C-kites.
The chances of someone getting killed on a C-kite are greater,
because there are more C-kites than Bows in the air.

How many injuries were sustained while using Bow kites ?
I'd guess many.

Deaths can't be blamed strictly on the type of kite,
factors like wind direction and speed, risky sites, poor kiting skills and judgements,
and simply bad luck will always tempt the hand of fate.

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No deaths on Bows in the last year doesn't prove that Bows are safer than C-kites.
The chances of someone getting killed on a C-kite are greater,
because there are more C-kites than Bows in the air.

How many injuries were sustained while using Bow kites ?
I'd guess many.

Deaths can't be blamed strictly on the type of kite,
factors like wind direction and speed, risky sites, poor kiting skills and judgements,
and simply bad luck will always tempt the hand of fate.

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I agree there are confounding factors, however the simple fact is C kites have one major flaw and that is that they largely rely on reaction time for kite release in the event of emergency, something that is not as problematic on bow kites. both bows and C's still suffer from unreliable QR's. from my own experience and anecdotal evidence on the web the people getting seriously hurt or dragged into the bushes are the guys on the standard C's (of course the guys on bows are pulling their safety without a leash and watching their kites fly off over the highway or beach goers). regardless, with the new 5 line high depower hybrids which are arguably even safer than bows I will predict that most of the serious accidents in the future will occur on standard C kites despite their decreasing popularity. i guess time will tell.

no need for a poll; simply count those with their heads in the sand next time you are at the beach

Will this subject ever end.....

Im teaching my 60kg wife how to kite and wouldnt touch a C kite....

Must admit I got bored with the massive depower bows have to offer. they make things sooo easy. Went and bought a powerlock for different tricks......issue solved....

any surfers remember kelly slaters radical change in design with surfboards..... Yeah some things need refining but if they are a step progressing something... get over it...

Mals Vs short boarders,,,,surfboards Vs boogy boards,,,,,and yes poleys Vs teabaggers