Brand name trainer kites - save your money

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padbury
padbury
WA
20 posts
WA, 20 posts
12 Apr 2005 9:41pm
Tip for NEWBIES
Are you just starting out and want to learn kite handling.

Don't waste your money on a brand name trainer kite, save it for the real deal. Just get a small stunt kite. It will show you all you need to know before you take kite surf lessons. I suggest any small stunt kite with a bar not 2 separate handles. It controls more like a kite surf kite. And you don't need to fly it at a beach either.

Actually, it's more what you do with the kite, than the type of kite you do it with. Practicing the basic kitesurf moves with a stunt kite is a fun challenge because stunt kites are very twitchy beasts. If you can master the moves with a stunt kite, the real thing will feel positively sedate in comparison.

Such as flying from horizon to horizon at the edge of the window, plunging through the power zone, walking or running whilst flying the sine wave, adjusting for gusts and luffs, switching flying sides on the run, parking overhead, parking but with your eyes closed, dealing with overflying the window or experiencing a hindenburg, flying figure 8's with your eyes closed - now that's a challenge! Finally, practicing controlled "bring downs" for future assisted beach landings. They're all the things I practiced with my trusty Quokka stunt kite (approx. $75 new)that translated directly to my Airush Flow 12 on the water as a newbie.

Don't get me wrong, some of those brand name mini kites look and fly awesome. But they ain't cheap! And they certainly aren't mandatory to get good first up kite skills.

Cheers

PADBURY
andyc
andyc
WA
202 posts
WA, 202 posts
13 Apr 2005 9:06am
if it were me I'd just borrow a friends, or hire one for $15 a day.

Actually they are supplied during a kite lesson, and you may well progress past the point of needing one after the lesson. If not then you can decide whether buy one (or what type to buy, as padbury points out).

Although now I want to get a real 1.5 or 3m one to take on my skateboard! So don't despair if you've got one already, the second hand market for trainer kites is stronger then the real kites!
Airborne
Airborne
WA
224 posts
WA, 224 posts
13 Apr 2005 11:52am
Padbury,

You're spot on the mark, a stunt kite or trainer kite to get your skills up before hitting the water and using a board is GOLD! It's amazing to watch the progress of people who have spent only 6 hours on a trainer compared to those with no kite experience at all.

One advantage most tariners have over stunt kites is they are on average bigger and therefore teach you the important element of power as well. Another great training tool is to get your harness and attach a fixed loop to the trainer kite's bar and actually fly it hooked it. This way you keep your elbows tucked and can practice flying one handed (useful for when you'll need that spare hand to get on your board).

Andy's right, most instructors use trainers in their lessons, and they are a great light wind toy for use with skateboards or with friends and family. For those who don't think they'll want to keep their stunt/trainer kite Airborne offers "The Kitesurfing Experience"; a trainer kite package with a buy back deal, where in the long run it only costs you $100. Similar to the cost of a lesson. Check the website http://www.airbornekitesurfing.com for more info.

Definitely recommend to all newbies getting some hours on a training kite, they make the step to bigger kitesurfing kites so much easier!

Airborne
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
13 Apr 2005 1:56pm
Hi All,

I use the Airush 3m Trainer kite in my school and with friends or family. The difference with using a name brand like the Airush 3m is for a start you get top quality bar and lines and also a well made kite.

The Airush one comes with a safety leash so you can let go the bar and practice like with the real thing. I recommend the 3m over the 2m as I have found in my experience of teaching that the fast, smaller kites do not represent the way a "real" kitesurfing kite feels in respect of turn rate and power.

It is possible to teach people using the smaller faster kites with less power, but some have difficulty in transfering those skills to a full sized kite as they are used to a much faster reaction from the kite. The lesser power can also give learners a false sense of security with regard to dealing with the power of the larger full sized kites. These are real life experiences I had with students over the past 5 years.

The 3m has a considerable amount of power even in 8 knots and turns at roughly the same pace as a 10m inflatable. This causes your reactions to be more in line with a real kite and prepares you and gives you respect for the power of the real thing also.

The slingshot 3m trainer foil is also good but does not come with a leash.

As Matt suggests, I have fixed a quick release fitted Harness Loop, to the bar for one handed flying and practice of flying hooked in. I dont really think that it is important to fly with your eyes closed, that is a skill you will master with time anyway. More important is to learn to fly using your peripheral vision to see the kite rather than focusing on it directly.

A half dozen hours of trainer kite flying will save you 1-2 lessons in money and time and will allow you to have heaps of fun while learning and offer the ability to share with friends and family without huge concern for their safety or the safety of your full sized kite. They are also heaps of fun on a sk8 board or buggy. Just dont hook in in gusty winds on a sk8ey unless you want to lose skin.

Hope we all get some good wind soon!

Darren Marshall
Australian Kiteboarding School

Uber
Uber
NSW
482 posts
NSW, 482 posts
13 Apr 2005 9:46pm
Hi all i am a noob just starting out. I just bought a 3mt slingshot Wasp and it did come with a wrist leash. Prior to that I owned a 1mt no wrist leash.
The 1mt is great very responsive but the real power does come from the 3mt. However the price is almost triple from the 1mt to the 3mt. So the pros and cons are there.
One option is to spend less on a trainer kite and get a 1 professional lesson(I learnt heaps in 2hrs from the lesson). Or do what Kitehard said and go the 3mt and learn as much as you can before buying a big one and getting a lesson. I guess the difference in price is approx $300 or $500. Either way depends on how you learn the best/fastest. By yourself or with a professional trainer.
NSW, 4382 posts
14 Apr 2005 9:31pm
There's only one person who posts on here that has been flying kites longer than me, and his name is Neil, from Hold the Line, he makes the Quokka.
We can both attest to the FACT, that kiteboarding requires excellent kite control, the safest way to get that is by flying an appropriate sized power kite on land, that has a safety leash.
Buying and flying a trainer foil is the best thing any prospective kiteboarder can do. It will pay for itself by them not needing as many lessons, and by them learning to kiteboard faster and easier.
Kitepower stocks a large range of 2 and 4 lined parafoil trainer and power kites, more than any other store in Oz actually, because it is what we specialise in - Kites.
The Best trainer kite is $199, complete with bar and safety leash, it is marked as being 1.8M, but I have put it on top of other 2.5M kites and it is only slightly smaller, I estimate it is 2.4M
This kite is actually a 4 lined kite, and can be very easily turned into a useful power kite to pull a landboard or a buggy.
Ozone have just released their famous Imp in 3 sizes, the larger one is 2M and retails for $199 also.
We also have the Eola brand from $89
My experience is that it does not matter if you learn to fly on a bar or separate handles, the skill learned is tensioning one line or the other and the positioning of the kite in the wind window and the various power that comes from different positions in the wind window.
Muscle memory of the arm movements to execute turns and mind memory of the wind window can be learned flying any 2 line kite.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack
www.kitepower.com.au



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