Bring On Global Warming = More Wind

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walshd
walshd
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23 Apr 2008 9:25am
Just a thought I had.

Wouldnt full blown global warming result in a much longer summer and hence more wind for us?

And if global warming got really out of control then we would have an all year summer.

I'm a bit of a greeny and have parents who are farmers so I dont want this to happen but if it meant kiting all year round then bring it on.

Or I could just move to WA, how is that cold front at the momemt BTW? We might see something this weekend hopefully.
sharkbait
sharkbait
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23 Apr 2008 4:01pm
Talk about seeing the cup as half full!
Kitehard
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23 Apr 2008 2:10pm
No, the last thing need is global warming. The ocean temperatures will rise which makes our coastal waters warmer and changes the temperature differential between water and land. It is this differential that creates the seabreezes we all love so much.

Warmer temperatures also create a lot more rain and humidity

We want colder water temps. Like South Africa, freezing cold water and hot inland temperatures mean 30 knots of seabreeze fury!

Good winds,

tightlines
tightlines
WA
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23 Apr 2008 2:32pm
Kitehard said...

No, the last thing need is global warming. The ocean temperatures will rise which makes our coastal waters warmer and changes the temperature differential between water and land. It is this differential that creates the seabreezes we all love so much.

Warmer temperatures also create a lot more rain and humidity

We want colder water temps. Like South Africa, freezing cold water and hot inland temperatures mean 30 knots of seabreeze fury!

Good winds,




You've convinced me I'm off to my local with a full ice bucket can everybody else please do the same.

P.S. Greenpat (I think this is relevant to you?) or anyone else stuck inland on a minesite please turn up your heaters..... Ta

Any idea how long we will have to wait Kitehard?
walshd
walshd
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23 Apr 2008 4:02pm
Yeh I were bored with no wind for ages. I'm gunna try and get out tonight with the 13 rev and the Glide. There is only 10-14knts so as long as it doesnt drop a knot I might get some upwind action.

Its desperate times nowdays. Not even global warming can help!

Cheers for the explination kitehard, yet another reason to cut greenhouse gases.

Bring on nuclear power I say!! Damn that wont work, they use heatexchangers to get rid of excess heat into the ocean. Were all screwed!
walshd
walshd
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23 Apr 2008 4:11pm
Alright!! latest BOM weather observations just in: 10-15knts.

Damn it is desperate times. I'm off to get more ice!
Dawn Patrol
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WA
1991 posts
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23 Apr 2008 2:53pm
But, if global warning happens, won't that make antartica melt? I think the ocean will be very very very cold then.
They (crazy scientist people) think it might make an iceage up north. (like in england).

You never know, it could be good. But I think it will be bad.
walshd
walshd
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23 Apr 2008 4:30pm
I'm not sure how globalwarning is going to melt much.

Plenty of people will be warned about it tho. ha ha
sir ROWDY
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23 Apr 2008 5:49pm
when will people realise its not "global warming" its "climate change", some parts of the poles are actually getting colder and the population of bears has increased in some parts (and not decreased as some media types reported)
also.
Lots of things are reported and blown out of context in the media all the time to alter what we know or think we know about things and the stance/views we have of certain subjects and how important we think it is. It is how they make money,in this way it is easy for them to make you think a certain way in order to be able to justify allocating funds to cetain "projects" because they make you think its needed by playing it up in the media all the time, similarly it also makes it easier for them to tax you on a new agenda if they first make you believe that this "agenda" is a real issue.

basically what i am getting at is, dont believe everything you hear or read through the media, do some outside reasearch once in a while, get some facts from an outside party if possible that doesnt have a hand in the money bag, an use your noggin, ask yourself some questions on issues you see instead of just sitting at the idiot box taking in everything as it comes out.

p.s. it was a bit off topic and rather a bit of a rant but i feel it needed to be said, i know there are ppl out there who already think like this, but i think everyone should ask themselfs whether they are questioning things as much as they should or just absorbing any old crap.
Poida
Poida
WA
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23 Apr 2008 5:55pm
heat trough all summer
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
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23 Apr 2008 8:20pm
Yeah, I agree Sir Rowdy... its more an issue of accelerated climate change rather than just "warming." It has been proven that the Earth has had cold and warm periods, but the rate of change between these periods has been far slower than observed in the last century.

Warmer weather does not mean more seabreezes, as I understand on the really hot days, the sea breeze won't fire in Perth (was there over Christmas) and the best days were when the air temp was high 20s, low 30s.

That said, it would be nice if it got warm enough in the UK for sea breezes to fire in the summer...
Kitehard
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23 Apr 2008 6:27pm
I reckon Rowdy is on the money,

Personally I don't believe in this "Global warming". IMHO, I think that weather is cyclic and we are just going through a phase. Civilisation has only been keeping accurate weather records for a bit over a hundred years so anything beyond that is purely speculation and open to hypothesis from both sides. Some, as Rowdy says, have their hand in the money bag, whilst others are trying to make names for themselves and just grabbing a bit more than their allocated 10 minutes of fame.

Whatever, as technology develops, we will have the tools for whatever fun that the weather brings. Even if it means we have to do it in Space type silver suits.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in sustainable growth in everything and conservative use of the environment we live in.


Good winds,


Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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23 Apr 2008 6:48pm
I know where this is going. So i'm getting in first. Well nearly first
All this talk about earth cycles is fair enough, but could someone explain to me (ok don't laugh, its a serious question), why on an inconvenient truth, that on the CO2 and Temp graph, created from ice cores hundreds of thousands years old show a huge rise in CO2 content in the atmosphere with a corresponding temperature rise.
Both showing the temp and CO2 levels WAY above that of ever before in the last 600,000 years. I would be surprised if the cores have a big accuracy problem.

One thought I had is that the earth is "sorting itself out" or regaining a screwed up equilibrium. The way I see it, people are most likely the problem. And "apparently" we are going into a natural disaster era, at the same time climate change will "possible" create and ice age. Maybe the earth is trying to rid itself of the problem (us) by getting rid of a fair number of us.
I'm not saying the earth has feelings but we have most likely created an imbalance that needs balancing.
Krusty
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23 Apr 2008 9:10pm
Dawn Patrol said...

I know where this is going. So i'm getting in first. Well nearly first
All this talk about earth cycles is fair enough, but could someone explain to me (ok don't laugh, its a serious question), why on an inconvenient truth, that on the CO2 and Temp graph, created from ice cores hundreds of thousands years old show a huge rise in CO2 content in the atmosphere with a corresponding temperature rise.
Both showing the temp and CO2 levels WAY above that of ever before in the last 600,000 years. I would be surprised if the cores have a big accuracy problem.

One thought I had is that the earth is "sorting itself out" or regaining a screwed up equilibrium. The way I see it, people are most likely the problem. And "apparently" we are going into a natural disaster era, at the same time climate change will "possible" create and ice age. Maybe the earth is trying to rid itself of the problem (us) by getting rid of a fair number of us.
I'm not saying the earth has feelings but we have most likely created an imbalance that needs balancing.


Wise words dawn patrol. Saw a doco the other night which measured temp change a similar way leading to minimal speculation about temps thousands of years ago.

I think the planet will eventually balance everything out again as you said, lucky for us I dont think we will see the worst of it.
sir ROWDY
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23 Apr 2008 8:12pm
i have also seen a doco recently about ice cores and looking back millions of years past through the cores. In the doco the guy said global warming and climate change were a load of crap and were just scare tactics, through the tests he found that the last couple of hundreds of years have been the most stable weather patterns this planet has ever seen, and that the current weather pattern was a major outlier and substansually longer than any other good weather pattern spike proceeding it. he also went on to say that with this weather pattern being as good as it has been for so long that it could snap into an uncontrollable nuclear winter or any other series of bad weather phenom at any time in the near future.
harrytesties
harrytesties
133 posts
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23 Apr 2008 8:59pm
tobes said...

I hate to confuse all this fascinating uninformed opinion and conspiracy theorising with Science....but here's an article from the New Scientist "Climate change: A guide for the perplexed".....
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn11462


yeah new scientist... and you guys think i'm a crack pot, sir rowdy is on the money, this has happened before, it will happen again....

just a thought.... the same people offering global warming solutions, are the very same ones that sold us the stuff that's supposed to have caused global warming in the first place

1likeBJ
1likeBJ
WA
152 posts
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24 Apr 2008 9:31am
Dawn Patrol said...

All this talk about earth cycles is fair enough, but could someone explain to me (ok don't laugh, its a serious question), why on an inconvenient truth, that on the CO2 and Temp graph, created from ice cores hundreds of thousands years old show a huge rise in CO2 content in the atmosphere with a corresponding temperature rise.
Both showing the temp and CO2 levels WAY above that of ever before in the last 600,000 years.


CO2 is proven greenhouse gas but also warmer oceans and melting ice caps release CO2. So if the Earth is naturally warmed by the sun, CO2 increases and causes further warming and the cycle goes on. I can see both arguments but I'm still personally in favour of reducing greenhouse gas emissions - just in case...
GreenPat
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24 Apr 2008 12:56pm
tightlines said...


P.S. Greenpat (I think this is relevant to you?) or anyone else stuck inland on a minesite please turn up your heaters..... Ta


I had a thermometer hanging out the window of my office one day in 2004 that showed 59 degrees in the sun. That was in the Great Sandy Desert just down the road from Marble Bar though.
Cal
Cal
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24 Apr 2008 2:10pm
Just to throw a different opinion out there;

Who really cares if global warming/cooling/climate change is real or not. In my opinion, the less pollution we put out there, and the less we change the chemical composition of the environment, the better off we all are.

If the masses need a scare campaign to motivate them to live more naturally, pollute less, and enjoy nature, then all power to the scare campaign.

Has anyone been to China, the Mediteranian or California? You will surely then know how bad pollution can be. I say stop it at ALL expense.

(A small aside, I am pretty confident if we dramatically improve the earths environment, there will be a hell of a lot less cancers etc)

Good winds.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
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24 Apr 2008 12:45pm
for sure dude, i dont think anyone here is for polluting and destroying the earth, that would be stupid. what i think we were getting at (or at least i was) is that you have to question the validity of some "facts" and "studies" when the underlying motive is driven by money and greed.

p.s. im all for educating ppl into living a healthier more enviroment consious lifestyle but i dont think scaring them with false facts is an answer, also im not prepared to pay taxes or shell money out for things that dont actually exist to do that.

Although scaring ppl is a pretty good way of getting something done, this might sound familia....

How are we gonna get our arses out money trouble this time?.......hmmmm
i got an idea, maybe we should make people think there is a massive terrorist threat from another country that has heaps of oil and drugs.....yeah..., then we will send ppl in to catch these "terrorists"... while we are there "catching terrorists" we can pick up/steal the oil drugs and while were at it pretend like we are saving the local ppl as well!!........ oh yeah!! this will be a win win win situation, so how do we do it?..... all we have to do is crash some planes and kill a few ppl so everyone is scared enough to belive us. oh man this is the sweetest idea..... yeah i am pretty cool.
harrytesties
harrytesties
133 posts
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25 Apr 2008 7:38am
Cal said...

Just to throw a different opinion out there;

Who really cares if global warming/cooling/climate change is real or not. In my opinion, the less pollution we put out there, and the less we change the chemical composition of the environment, the better off we all are.

If the masses need a scare campaign to motivate them to live more naturally, pollute less, and enjoy nature, then all power to the scare campaign.

Has anyone been to China, the Mediteranian or California? You will surely then know how bad pollution can be. I say stop it at ALL expense.

(A small aside, I am pretty confident if we dramatically improve the earths environment, there will be a hell of a lot less cancers etc)

Good winds.


we.... yes every single one of us, are responsible for the greatest mass extinction of life on this planet.. drive a car, use plastic, cheap paper, convienient third world products or rely on industrial farming...? well you're responsible...
what we may not be immediately responsible for, are these earth changes (warming.. which givin its spin, may actually well be cooling), which have happened time and time again... from jurassic park... 'life will always find a way'... however, thanks mainly to majority of ignorant us', when theses earth changes accererate and complete themselves this time, thanks to us- all of us, life will have even less of a chance to find a way, simply because in many many cases, it just no longer exists....
lotofwind
lotofwind
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25 Apr 2008 11:39am
Back in a sec,"runs outside and hugs a tree"
stabber
stabber
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25 Apr 2008 4:14pm
my "globe" got warmed last night
harrytesties
harrytesties
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25 Apr 2008 10:42pm
...hands release a lot of heat
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