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BoDiddly
BoDiddly
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28 Mar 2007 4:19pm
Hi troopers,

Have been riding my homemade board for a while now, dig it totally, but now it's time to make a smaller one (and yes I did think about getting the hack saw and just making my first board smaller - but I want to keep that one! it's about 141x41)

So it's gunna be 126x40, little bit of rocker, I've got a second hand pair of North pads and straps (Thanks to Dave Spruce!)...

What I'm wanting to know is if there is a product I can use that's in a spray can or something similar for sealing the ply wood? on my old on I used a waterproof laquer type stuff that needed about 4 coats using a paint brush. Just wondering if there is something easier out there to use?! Or should I stick to the laquer idea?

Cheers!
dan OK?
dan OK?
VIC
253 posts
VIC, 253 posts
28 Mar 2007 4:46pm
Hey, your making a whole board from scratch but you dont have the motivation to paint it 4 times???

If the stuff you used the first time worked use that! Why risk it?

Best of luck, post some pics when its done.
hosko
hosko
WA
393 posts
WA, 393 posts
28 Mar 2007 2:51pm
dave spruce likes boys.
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
28 Mar 2007 4:55pm
I'd stick with the brush.
Fitzy recommends "water based urethane", it's easy to get a very smooth finish.
The last ply board I made I used some gloss polyurethane I had in the shed. I got some granite laminex from one of the local kitchen makers, it made a nice shiny bottom, maybe a bit heavy and unneccessary though.
It was a pretty crap board, but made a nice coffee table!
It's most important to seal the edges of the ply. That's where it will soak up water.
BoDiddly
BoDiddly
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622 posts
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28 Mar 2007 5:19pm
Thought the paint brush was gunna be the best option, mite have to stick with it.... will certainly post piccas once complete!

Thanks for the replies!
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
28 Mar 2007 5:38pm
maybe try some of the 'upmarket' ocean racing yacht builders for a good compound,i.e kevlar,carbon graphite resins? Bo.
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
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28 Mar 2007 6:44pm
SP115 epoxy resin or something like it. Any epoxy with a high viscosity will soak into the wood.

Although Kevlar is a really good material for impact resistance it's almost imposable to deal with after it’s laminated you pretty much can't cut it or grind it and you need special shears/scissors to cut it off the roll.

Graphite powder added to resin will aid in toughness a little but won't help with water ingress into ply wood.

In the end of the day the best thing you use would be a high viscosity epoxy resin.
chronic
chronic
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318 posts
NSW, 318 posts
28 Mar 2007 7:57pm
paint it
watyl solargaurd
rooey
rooey
QLD
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QLD, 498 posts
28 Mar 2007 9:13pm
hey crazy,good call,I,take that comment back about running into you if that helmet your wearing is made of kevlar,and you dont swing!
Neill
Neill
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484 posts
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28 Mar 2007 9:50pm
my ply board is drying from its first coat of Solver Polyurethane outdoor gloss right now in the shed. it's basically a polyurethane varnish, does the job brilliantly. recommend 6 coats though.

i used regular 12mm ply - just right. my board is 132 x 38 with some rocker (soak the whole board in a bathtub of water overnight, then bend it into shape and dry for 2-3 days)

a couple of very small surfboard fins cut down are screwed/epoxied into the heelside of the board - viola! the bindings and pads are the most expensive part - $30 for the pads and $21 for the bindings, but i bought DaKine and Cabrinha stuff respectively. you could get 2nd hand stuff cheap as.

looks to be a nice board :)
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
28 Mar 2007 9:52pm
Helmets 3mm solid High Modulus Carbon Fibre with an outer laminate of 300g/m2 twill weaved Kevlar. In sides custom moulded foam pading and you can hook up a Tinny of 4X to the breathing port for hands free drinking.

Sorry I called you a brown noser. Nothing againt SB he's done heeps of good for the sport and did a great job starting a company from nothing. That said go North
BoDiddly
BoDiddly
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29 Mar 2007 10:42am
Awesome, least now I have a few different names for products I can use, will check them out.... I'm sure whatever is used for your helmet cRAZY would be WAY too tough for a board, it'll like repel the water before the board even get's close to it yeah?!

Thanks for the tip Neill on soaking it in the bathtub, last time I used a piece of strapping and wound it to the bench, then ironed the hell out of it while wet, kinda worked, but soaking it fully would do the trick!

Cheers.
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
29 Mar 2007 11:02am
food for thought ,being a chippy might have a go at constructing a booard for my son,some great ideas chaps,maybe we could have a comp for best homemade design and Lorrie could donate a prize,every one on the forum could be a judge,PS,like ya hands free 4x intallation on the hellmet Crazy C
Neill
Neill
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484 posts
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29 Mar 2007 11:57am
i'll post up some pics of mine (hoping it will be done for saturday when there's a bit of a breeze coming!) on the weekend for you guys, it's a pretty simple design but i think it will work quite well. painted another layer of poly on this morning, should have 5 coats done on saturday. unsure if this is enough - will wait and see.
rooey
rooey
QLD
498 posts
QLD, 498 posts
29 Mar 2007 3:37pm
are you gunna resin and glass the fins in or bolt through with commercial pre-made fins Neil?
Neill
Neill
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484 posts
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29 Mar 2007 11:33pm
i got some SUPER cheap and ****house quality surfboard fins, cut the top off them (removed the bit where they slot into the boards) and drilled two holes into the top of them. then i used a sharp chisel to gouge out the foil shape through two layers of the 5-layer ply. so the fin sits recessed in 2/5ths of the way into the ply, and it's screwed in with two stainless screws and resinned into place which basically creates an extremely solid block around the root of the fin.

it was strong enough with just the two screws, with the resin (tomorrow afternoon) as well it will be ridiculously strong.

hoping to get out on the water on saturday or sunday with it, first time out so could be interesting. hope it's waterproof enough - ideally it should have another 2 coats but i can't wait that long while the wind stays good.
Neill
Neill
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484 posts
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30 Mar 2007 8:59pm
here's some pics of the board. note the heelside only fins (newbie can't ride toeside..... yet) and the cheap cabrinha straps, dakine pads. there is still some finishing and smoothing to be done, and another coat or two of polyurethane (lots of small runs in it still) but it's ready to go out tomorrow when the wind picks up :)





gerard
gerard
QLD
175 posts
QLD, 175 posts
30 Mar 2007 10:32pm
Looks good! but maybe the fins are to far from the end???
Neill
Neill
VIC
484 posts
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30 Mar 2007 11:06pm
quite possibly. i basically just guessed where i should put them. it should do the job anyway. if i don't like the fins, i'll just tear them off - or make another one for 10 bucks
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