Hi bennie,

I've ridden both but my opinion is obviously biased. So make of the following what you will. I think the Dos may be better suited to wave riding due to it's hypersensitivity in steering whereas the Core is more a well rounded kite which does it all well.

Both kites moderate on bar pressure
Both kites turn very fast
Core Combat GT boosts bigger
Both kites have massive power
Both kites relaunch automatically
Core has a better/cleaner bar system with unique spinning tangle free safety and chickenloop.
Less feel from the kite on the Dos and it "wanders" in jumps due to hypersensitive steering.
GT is cheaper and better build quality and materials IMO.
Dos bag is better
GT has adjustable bar lengths similar to North
No proprietary parts on the Core Kite so you can replace everything that wears by yourself without having to buy Core branded spares. All parts are available from yacht shops and are cheap to buy and easy to replace.

This is as honest a comparison as I can put forth, like it or lump it! I'd be very interested in hearing others comparisons too IF they have ridden both.

Both kites are excellent and are both worth a demo ride if you get half a chance.

Good winds,

Whats your opinion on Core ESP control bar is it the best on the market at present as many people say ????.
Id like to use it on 09 Waroo their bar is crap IMHO, after few weeks I had to replace the lines and the depower rope ( $ 230), and the QR is just pathetic.
Apparently they are expensive, but I reacon cheap Best bar is not value for money.
Thanks.

Buell said...


Kitehard, the Core GT appears to have an identical chicken loop/safety release/safety line assembly as the Flysurfer P4 kites. Are they built in the same place?

The owner of Core is an industrial designer and sold the design to Flysurfer.
They look very similar but are different, I reckon the Core bar is better.

The bar works with 4 standard equal length lines, and can be used on a wide range of modern kites.
Fairly sure the retail price of the bar with 24M lines is $499 at the moment.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

I have a 10m DOS and a 7m Core Combat Wave. A friend ("Johnt") has the GT (12,9,7). I have ridden both the 9 and 7 GTs when we have been down-winding. By far the biggest difference I notice is that the GT depowers much more quickly than the DOS and the Combat Wave. It took a while to tune in to trimming the GT in flight. (Has that "on-off" feeling, compared to the smooth power band of the DOS.) The Combat Wave is just plain grunty, with relatively high bar pressure, and turns wickedly fast.

For me it comes down to riding style. The smooooooth predictable power band of the DOS, and the downwind drift and response of both the DOS and Combat Wave are great features.

BUT, it's great to be able to depower completely at any time when wave riding, and the GT does this in style.

Life is a compromise.........

Interesting!

Is anybody doing demo's in Vic?

junglist said...

Interesting!

Is anybody doing demo's in Vic?

Kitepower Geelong has a 10.5 on Demo I think, 03 52295899 asl for Goshen or Johnny and find out fast.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

I have had both kites 9 and 12m in Bandit Dos and 7 and 10.5m in GT.
Currently I am on the Core Combat GT.
Both kites fly really well, turning is really quick and both are very grunty.
I kind of like the on off power of GT, seems easier to control than the steam train feel of the Dos.
My issues with the Bandit Dos was really related to setup and depower.
Due to the requirement of pumping each strut up to a very high pressure 10PSI on LE and 12PSI on each strut, compared to 6.5PSI for whole kite through simple one pump solution. Now it might not be an issue for some, but I simply would not buy a kite with no one pump again. Let alone requiring extreme pressure.
As previously mentioned the Dos does not depower as much as the GT, this tends to be an issue especially with larger sizes as wind picks up, although you have the option of landing the kite and readjusting middle line knot.
Construction wise both are super good.
Wind range of both models is awesome 7m GT goes from 16knots on surfboard all the way up. 9M dos has similar bottom end to 12m bow kite and probably can hold up to 25knots with right depower setting.
To me the GT bar rules it is simple, has pull pull depower vs rope cleat which takes more getting used to and will wear quicker.
I prefer the push away system on the GT to the old style velcro one on the Fone.

But don't listen to anyone else try both kites yourself, and if you are getting a quiver 2 of these delta kites will cover most of the wind range.

Assuming that your 9m is your only kite, than I would go for 9m. If you have an 11m or 12m than go for the 7m. In WA we usually get at least 16-20knots, which for a 77kg person on a surfboard is the low end of the 7m. PM me with your weight, wind conditions boards used etc if you need more info

I live in Cairns and in past years have had a one kite quiver of a 12m. The problem I have is that this kite does not behave so well when the wind is up over the 20 knotts mark and I have got a bit of depower on, it is also way to hard to unhook at this stage.

I was looking at a smaller kite as the solution but after reading the reports here on the Core GT I may be able to solve my problems with a 9 GT. Is that a fair assumption. If so who sells them on the east coast.

BTW I am 83 kgs and like a mix of old school and unhooked stuff, no wave riding though.

Thanks

All of you forgot to mention one thing where the Dos does not even come close to the Core THAT IS THE PRICE TAG.
Steve Mccer does your shop sale apply to the Core 20 percent off, if thats the case its a steel.I will be intersested to see what Core come up with next year.
Great product.


Thelonerider

hey guys i need some advice too. Im new to this, am just starting out on the board but i managed to get an absolute gem of a price on a core 9m riot.
I am getting my girlfriend into it also, but i doubt she will buy a kite so it will most likely be up to me, which is fine because it will mean i will have a 2 kite quiver.
I'm quite interested in the GT combat for her/me and i want to buy a second kite with this extra cash (thanks Kev) but im not sure what size to get, so here are the specs:
im 6'4" ~90 kilos
My girlfriend is about 55 kilos
I will be riding in St Kilda/Port Phillip bay and Inverloch mainly

Im thinking i should buy a 7 metre but given my weight, would this mean i would only be able to ride the 7 metre when its 25 knots plus?

im not actually in WA, im in St Kilda, for some reason i cant select VIC on my profile! annoying

Aorta said...

im not actually in WA, im in St Kilda, for some reason i cant select VIC on my profile! annoying

Hey it's good to see another snowy person in WA.
Lets arrange sometime in winter for one or two weeks off for snow kite and skiing and snowboarding.
P.S. If there is any one else interested please let me know that we can plan ahead.

Good Winds
Alex