Daylight savings

> 10 years ago
Reply
Register to post, see what you've read, and subscribe to topics.
pump it up
pump it up
WA
31 posts
WA, 31 posts
26 Feb 2009 8:04pm
Daylight saving is a great idea for late night kiting/windsurfing. Come home after a hard day at work/school, grab your gear and head down for an afternoon sesh. I have just started kitesurfing and i personally think that it is a great idea.

Just wondering what all you kitesurfers/windsurfers think about it and how u will vote in this up coming referendum.


surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
2707 posts
NSW, 2707 posts
26 Feb 2009 10:13pm
DLS for QLD
Slack
Slack
WA
685 posts
WA, 685 posts
26 Feb 2009 8:16pm
Had been discussed recently
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=46432
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
26 Feb 2009 10:53pm
pump it up said...

Daylight saving is a great idea for late night kiting/windsurfing. Come home after a hard day at work/school, grab your gear and head down for an afternoon sesh. I have just started kitesurfing and i personally think that it is a great idea.

Just wondering what all you kitesurfers/windsurfers think about it and how u will vote in this up coming referendum.





yes has been discussed before .Don't worry after the trial it will be just like QLD .the faded curtain brigade and the 'its an eastern state big business conspiracy" theorists will get their way DLS will be dropped and the overcrowding of WA beaches by kiters will be history .Surprisingly WA were slow to catch on with kiting .Daylight saving started and it boomed .
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Feb 2009 11:53pm
Even on Seabreeze you have people saying daylight savings sucks in WA. Something like they finish work at 2pm, get down to the beach and instead of it being windy they have to wait a while before the seabreeze kicks in. They get home after their sailing and the wife complains they have been at the beach too long.

I lived on the Gold Coast for a while and not having daylight savings made summer difficult to live in. Dawn would break around 4.30am at the height of summer and it would be sunny and hot by 5.30am. Difficult to sleep in when you have parrots and other birds squarking in the trees nearby.

People in Queensland complain about it being hotter with daylight savings. Does it really make much difference in the afternoon at Mt Isa or Roma in the middle of summer? Its bloody hot and an hour doesn't make much difference.

Sure daylight savings is causing global warming, fading curtains, stopping cows from laying eggs etc etc etc, but I love it.
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
26 Feb 2009 9:57pm
Mr float said...

yes has been discussed before .Don't worry after the trial it will be just like QLD .the faded curtain brigade will get there way DLS will be dropped and the overcrowding of WA beaches by kiters will be history .Surprisingly WA were slow to catch on with kiting .Daylight saving started and it boomed .


WADR Floaty.... Bollocks.

DLS only works for the city-slickers too lazy to get up with the sun. If you do your kiting inland (on estuaries) then those magnificent summer easterlies are at an absolutely perfect 25knots early in the morning. The best sessions I've ever had have been early morning easterlies when no on else was around.

Afternoon winds are still accessible without DLS - you can easily put in another 3 or 4 hours before sundown - circa 8pm. How much more do you need?

Better come up with a better reason for DLS - very few people put more than 2 hours kiting after work, not even on Friday cos they want to socialise not kite.

DLS becomes DLW (daylight wasting) for people above the tropic of Capricorn. Forcing DLW on people North of Canarvon and calling it Daylight Saving is the biggest lie since Hitlers Third Reich - eg. Broome has LESS daylight hours than night hours in the peak of the southern summer - go do your research - its a fact.

Little wonder people up north are up in arms over the issue - its completely insane to expect people in the Pilbara and Kiberley (etc) regions to agree to this misinformed madness.

Daylight Saving is driven by corporate interests who want timezone parity with Sydney and Melbourne. You (voting public) are just a pawn in a political ploy that is driven by greed. It has nothing to do with lifestyle, ok?

General
General
WA
471 posts
WA, 471 posts
26 Feb 2009 11:13pm
My curtains fade more......
ianmac
ianmac
WA
267 posts
WA, 267 posts
26 Feb 2009 11:20pm
mmh seems a strong view ! well i start work at 6 am on regular basis kite every nite of the week if poss inc Fri good to get home and chill with some sunlight around still, suits me perfectly i dont a shizzit about the east coast aspect it works for me as for winter i can race down and get to the beach at 4.45 be on the water by 5.05 5.10 starts to get dark at 6.20ish so struggle to get any really good times in so better to OD on kiting in summer i reckon
sandgroper said...

Mr float said...

yes has been discussed before .Don't worry after the trial it will be just like QLD .the faded curtain brigade will get there way DLS will be dropped and the overcrowding of WA beaches by kiters will be history .Surprisingly WA were slow to catch on with kiting .Daylight saving started and it boomed .


WADR Floaty.... Bollocks.

DLS only works for the city-slickers too lazy to get up with the sun. If you do your kiting inland (on estuaries) then those magnificent summer easterlies are at an absolutely perfect 25knots early in the morning. The best sessions I've ever had have been early morning easterlies when no on else was around.

Afternoon winds are still accessible without DLS - you can easily put in another 3 or 4 hours before sundown - circa 8pm. How much more do you need?

Better come up with a better reason for DLS - very few people put more than 2 hours kiting after work, not even on Friday cos they want to socialise not kite.

DLS becomes DLW (daylight wasting) for people above the tropic of Capricorn. Forcing DLW on people North of Canarvon and calling it Daylight Saving is the biggest lie since Hitlers Third Reich - eg. Broome has LESS daylight hours than night hours in the peak of the southern summer - go do your research - its a fact.

Little wonder people up north are up in arms over the issue - its completely insane to expect people in the Pilbara and Kiberley (etc) regions to agree to this misinformed madness.

Daylight Saving is driven by corporate interests who want timezone parity with Sydney and Melbourne. You (voting public) are just a pawn in a political ploy that is driven by greed. It has nothing to do with lifestyle, ok?




phrase
phrase
WA
228 posts
WA, 228 posts
27 Feb 2009 3:33am
Hands up how many people want to kite at 6:00am as apposed to after work early evening? I love kiting after work, it makes me switch off from the hussle and bussle of the day gone and finishes my day off with a smile. With DLS I don`t have to rush after work to catch the remainder of the daylight.
Not sure what Broome`s less daylight hours compared to night hours has got to do with DLS. Surely with or without the DLS these hours would still be the same?
And yes, it`s mainly corporate business interest that is pushing for day light savings. I don`t see what`s so wrong with that. Business has become so much more globalised now and thanks to that most of us can afford to live the life we are enjoying?
Besides, who cares about socialising when you can kite?
Too tired after a kite session to socialise.
surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
2707 posts
NSW, 2707 posts
27 Feb 2009 10:11am
phrase said...


Too tired after a kite session to socialise.


haha, soooo true. i never do anything with friends when theres wind. sorry guys.
Factory
Factory
WA
266 posts
WA, 266 posts
27 Feb 2009 9:31am
Im praying for WA Daylight Savings to continue!!

Please baby boomers "see the light"

I think the extension of DLS to end of March (through the trial) may be its undoing unfortunately.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
27 Feb 2009 10:56am
sandgroper said...


Afternoon winds are still accessible without DLS - you can easily put in another 3 or 4 hours before sundown - circa 8pm. How much more do you need?


Of course the latest sunset in Perth this summer was 20:26, so without daylight savings that would have been 19:26. Assuming 'circa 8pm' might mean give or take 5 minutes, and not half an hour (since the debate is over just an hour), kiting until circa 8pm would mean you'd be kiting at night without DLS....
whatthe
whatthe
WA
186 posts
WA, 186 posts
27 Feb 2009 11:21am
sandgroper said...
DLS only works for the city-slickers too lazy to get up with the sun.


I was up at 6am this morning to exercise at the beach and I plan to kite tonight after work which finishes around 6pm. But apparently I'm a lazy city slicker cos I like DLS. Or maybe, I make the most out of the available daylight. I just don't want to get up at 4.30am in summer with the sun. I don't know anyone who would.

Afternoon winds are still accessible without DLS - you can easily put in another 3 or 4 hours before sundown - circa 8pm. How much more do you need?


Some ppl don't finish work till after 6.30pm. I would very much like your job if you finish at 3pm everyday.


Broome has LESS daylight hours than night hours in the peak of the southern summer - go do your research - its a fact.


This is a typical argument presented by the anti-DLS mob. It has absolutely no relevance to DLS - the hours are the same whether or not DLS is in place.


Daylight Saving is driven by corporate interests who want timezone parity with Sydney and Melbourne. You (voting public) are just a pawn in a political ploy that is driven by greed. It has nothing to do with lifestyle, ok?


I work in Perth for a company in Sydney and I hate the three-hour time difference when it happens. Guess I must be greedy then.... Get to work at 9am, its lunch time in Sydney. Finish my lunch and ppl in Sydney are about to go home. Oooh, its all a big conspiracy theory to make money for "the man". Bollocks.

I am still waiting to hear one reasonable argument why we shouldn't have daylight saving. For all those who vote against DLS, enjoy your winter cos its dark in the early morning and the early evening. Just how you like it.
Ioz
Ioz
WA
495 posts
Ioz Ioz
WA, 495 posts
27 Feb 2009 12:12pm
There is a classic question with daylight saving in WA

Have a good think about it before you answer honestly

Do you see more sunsets or less with DLS ?
TheChad
TheChad
QLD
142 posts
QLD, 142 posts
27 Feb 2009 1:32pm
Yeah your right groper, no need for DLS, just use the full moon!
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
27 Feb 2009 12:55pm
GreenPat said...

kiting until circa 8pm would mean you'd be kiting at night ....


nothing wrong with that is there
pharro
pharro
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
27 Feb 2009 1:28pm
If we don't get DLS because of the small minded, ignorant, backward, no life, red necks that seem to control this city, then it will be a sad day for all of us, but next year Im changing my clocks regardless.
Im lucky enough to have a job that will allow me to come in an hour earlier and finnish an hour earlier if I want.
No ones takin that extra hour on the water from me.
4lawn
4lawn
WA
83 posts
WA, 83 posts
27 Feb 2009 2:11pm
You just raised a very good point there Pharro .
I also have the luxury of being able to set my own start and finish time at work .
The good thing with this is I can beat the crowd to the spots by at least one hour .
It's easier to get out of bed an hour earlier without daylight saving than it is with it.Also with daylight saving operating if you go to your spot an hour early the wind often hasn't kicked in .
Think about it .. You get your own daylight saving but most others miss out
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
27 Feb 2009 5:20pm
groper ia secretly running the whole WA 'anti DLS' movement .he has been doing a tour of eastern states CWA meetings confirming the old girls suspicions about faded curtains and sour milk who are coordinating a WA grass roots movement against DLS, spreading the myth that its also a greedy fascist eastern states big business con.
This is all becasue the groper wants to return to the good ol days when he largely had the beaches to himself in the arvo (while the other greedy fascists were at work conspiring with their eastern states masters in 'Real time" )plus plenny of time for a 4 30 am session using the sun rather than the moon as the light source
pharro
pharro
WA
89 posts
WA, 89 posts
27 Feb 2009 3:30pm
4lawn
What u say is true, but I don't find that beating the crowd is a good thing.
I prefer to have a few other kiters around to inspire each other, help launch/land and be there if sh.....t goes wrong. Not all my mates have jobs as flexible as mine.
Give me (and the rest of us) DLS so we ALL get to enjoy it!
4lawn
4lawn
WA
83 posts
WA, 83 posts
27 Feb 2009 4:33pm
Pharro,
Seems you don't kite where I like to go .
When I say crowded I mean CROWDED .
There's always enough kiters around at non crowded times for the little chores you mentioned .
It's just so good kiting at one of the worlds best spots with only a few others to watch out for.
Hey I have been one of the staunchest supporters of daylight saving but having tried it now I really don't care much either way.
I just remember I enjoyed my afternoon kiting better before .
They made a huge mistake by letting it run past the end of summer .
My prediction is daylight saving will be absolutely slaughtered at the referendum anyway .
And I'm not sayimg that's a good thing .


rod_bunny
rod_bunny
WA
1089 posts
WA, 1089 posts
27 Feb 2009 6:15pm
sandgroper said... Broome has LESS daylight hours than night hours in the peak of the southern summer - go do your research - its a fact.


http://www.ga.gov.au/bin/astro/sunrisenset

Mid summer (Solstice 22-Dec in 2008) the sun rose in Broome at 05:14 and set at 18:26 ie it had 13hours and 20 mins of sunlight... how is that less than night hours? (unless you cramming more than 24 hours in a day?)

Unless of course the Govt is in on the conspiracy?
specimen
specimen
WA
221 posts
WA, 221 posts
27 Feb 2009 7:54pm
The government is a joke, the people with fading curtains are a joke. I'm still to a valid reason as to not have it. WA has to move with the Eastern states if it ever wants to become a modern city. For people to business with the rest of the country is impossible. We might as well cut down the line and drift off into the iIndian ocean and form our own country.They have to make a fricken descision once and for all and say yes. But it's typical of the gov. over here they couldn't make a firm descision if there life depended on it.

Keep It I say and suck it up all you whingers.
Ioz
Ioz
WA
495 posts
Ioz Ioz
WA, 495 posts
27 Feb 2009 9:38pm
Did I mention I will be voting 'NO' to daylight saving............... ahh don't you just love a democratic society.
kk
kk
WA
953 posts
kk kk
WA, 953 posts
28 Feb 2009 12:15am
I'm voting NO.. It doesn't suit me.. That's why we get a referendum so we each can have our say.. Calling each other names won't help.

Ya bunch of retards
sandgroper
sandgroper
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
28 Feb 2009 8:02am
rod_bunny said...

sandgroper said... Broome has LESS daylight hours than night hours in the peak of the southern summer - go do your research - its a fact.


http://www.ga.gov.au/bin/astro/sunrisenset

Mid summer (Solstice 22-Dec in 2008) the sun rose in Broome at 05:14 and set at 18:26 ie it had 13hours and 20 mins of sunlight... how is that less than night hours? (unless you cramming more than 24 hours in a day?)

Unless of course the Govt is in on the conspiracy?


Ok, I concede that point. Broome does in fact have up to 80 minutes more daylight in summer than night. Thanks for correcting me. It may be a big error in my science, but does not alter my point.

Daylight Saving still makes no sense for people living north of the Tropic of Capricorn.

In October 2008, Broome wound their clocks back a full hour even though the amount of available extra daylight was only 40 minutes (ie 12h40m total daylight). So they experience an abberration to their lifestyle for which the costs outweigh the benefits.

The situation gets worse as you go further north until you reach the Equator where there is no extra daylight to be "saved" at any time during summer.

Frankly, I like waking up to the sun in summer, not to darkness. I live close to a beach and I like going for an early morning swim before I go to work. I haven't done that for the last 3 years because my WDT adjusted body clock is now out of synch with the lifestyle I have enjoyed for the last 84 () years.

After 3 "NO" votes in the last 3 referendums on this subject, Premier Carmen Lawrence assured us it would be the last time the subject was visited. HA! This 3 year trial is now the 4th time the question has been put. It costs 10s of millions of WA taxpayers dollars each time to have a referendum, this one was introduce by a Premier who didnt even believe in it and is now out of office, and is a tactic orchestrated by Eastern States insurgents and sympathisers into conditioning us to getting used to Daylight Saving as if it was a fait accompli.

Just what is it about the word "NO" those people dont understand

If you like daylight saving so much - start work an hour earlier. Why the hell do you have to ram this nonsense down the throats of the rest of us?
rscaife
rscaife
WA
96 posts
WA, 96 posts
28 Feb 2009 9:31am
It is not a question of "yes" or "no". There should be representative daylight savings. For example, if 30% of the population is in favour (of having light in the evening as opposed to early morning), then daylightsavings should last for 30% of the year.
Durks
Durks
WA
118 posts
WA, 118 posts
28 Feb 2009 10:24am
You're right DLS has absolutley no point north of the Capricorn...umm how many people live up there again..100,000, less is my guess. So two million people where it is appropriate should forego it for this. No brainer.

DLS rox, move with the times people- or the times as they were a decade or two back at least
phrase
phrase
WA
228 posts
WA, 228 posts
28 Feb 2009 10:38am
I`m sorry I must be missing something here but if you wind your clock back an hour you will have an extra hour in the evening, not 40 minutes. Typical DLS haters, they try and make up these weired technical reasons why it`s gonna upset the balance of nature. It`s an hour`s shift, how is that gonna cause aberration? Are people that fragile in Broome that an hours difference is gonna cause them to loose their minds? One chap on 6PR radio said that he likes to have his dinner when it`s dark and now it`s throwing his body clock out of sync. What, does he actally eat in the dark? Solution: A) Eat your dinner an hour later. B) Close the curtains. (Oh sorry they`ll fade) C) Eat with your eyes closed, or wear sunnies Or D) HTFU![}:)]
I`m sure I`ve asked this before. But how many people like to get out and about early in the mornings compared to early evenings? There`s a big difference. I see alot more people out and about in the early evenings. Most of the people you see going for walks at the crack of dawn are the oldies who most are pensioners, so an hour here or there doesn`t matter if you`re not going to work. They`ll be up at the crack no matter what time it is. Hands up how many people can be arsssssseded to get up before work and go rig up for a kite session? I`m usually too tired from the early evening kite session.
The reason why politicians keep trying to bring this back is because they`re hoping that people will finally see the light, excuse the pun. That it`s good for buisness(more curtains get sold) and it gets more people out and about enjoying the outdoor Ozy lifestyle.
The problem is that when it comes to voting, the people that are against it are die harders and hate change, so they WILL vote. The one`s that are not sure either way wont vote or will vote against because Mr Jones next door told him it`s bad so it must be true. And the ones who like it are mostly the younger crowd who think voting is some kind of desease.
It looks like It`s moon kiting for me next year. Or is their some strange statistic why I shouldn`t do that aswell?
kitelements
kitelements
WA
101 posts
WA, 101 posts
28 Feb 2009 11:11am
love to see my kites fading cos of the dls

KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
28 Feb 2009 2:17pm
No daylight saving!! My kites are fading because I use them too much. Bring back the dark.
Please Register, or first...
Topics Subscribe Reply