Falling from grace

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Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
19 Nov 2005 12:55am
Everyone that kites has the common experience of losing control, falling, crashing into the water (some on a more frequent basis than others) - for reasons of their position on the learning curve or because of how hard they are pushing the limits of their riding, or whatever.....

my question to the collective experience of the forum is:

what is the best way to fall such that stress on body and gear are minimised, and recovery of control and board can take place with a minimum of loss of ground downwind?

stay lose in the drag, but try and get the hands into the middle of the bar and move the kite back up to a stable 12 o'clock position?

ps. for those interested in the marine biology, we just had a great friday night snorkel over the reef here to see the coral spawning. No tiger sharks, or any sort of sharks, to report to all those that have been glued to the "shark stories" thread......not that we saw in our torch beams, anyway...... ...and 2 hours of late afternoon kiting yesterday, in an unexpected but gratefully recieved 18-25knots.....the island turns it on!

A.
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
18 Nov 2005 11:10pm
I just generally let go of the bar. The quickest way to the edge of the window is usually straight ahead. fighting it usually makes it worse.
gasman
gasman
WA
320 posts
WA, 320 posts
18 Nov 2005 11:41pm
Good question

Firstly, whenever loosing control, I choose to get my center of gravity low ....... err, Sit on your bum. Never hurt it yet. Try very very hard not to land hard on your chest, ribs break as I and other forum members can attest.

In the waves, if you come to grief, kite down in the wave zone, i suggest unhooking. I had 3 lines broken last w/e when the kite was taken in a big wave and I was anchored in the water. Something had to give. Next day, I was out with "repaired lines" which eventually gave away under extreme duress, again in a major wave zone. This time I pulled my safety release, watched as the kite surfed past me on a big set, and collected the whole lot on the inside INTACT (except for the rebroken line)

I'd be very interested to see the approach of others who have had kites down in the waves.
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
19 Nov 2005 9:55am
Thanks for that.

I have tried both the "hands on the bar" and "hands off the bar" methods - the latter usually when I'm scrabbling for my quick release when very overpowered and being dragged at high speed across the water surface (wipika 05 gear).

Still hadn't had enough crashes to really verify which worked better...mainly due to lack of wind rather than conservative kiting. More feedback appreciated, especially from the WA crew that are currently getting the juice!

Noticed though in the footage of the crashes section of the complete kiteboarding guide DVD, that Mark Shinn, no matter how big the crash and how large the wave behind him, always seemed to keep his hands on the bar and get his control back fairly quickly.
HungLong
HungLong
WA
859 posts
WA, 859 posts
19 Nov 2005 9:03am
Surviving crashes comes with experience i'm affraid... As your level of experience grows you know where and what your kite's doing without looking at it, you can feel it in the bar pressure. I dont think there's a right or wrong way to crash, it's gona hurt if you phuck it no matter wat !. What you should be practicing is releasing from your kite when you've recongnised your in trouble.
dachopper
dachopper
WA
1802 posts
WA, 1802 posts
19 Nov 2005 9:59am
i generally find as long as you don't land close to your board, and you land with the bar away from your head your golden.. i found the worst crashed are the unhooked style kite loop type, when you realsie your going way too fast and high to land and in that case i let go of the bar, spin backwards so the kites on the suicide and flick my board off before hitting the water kinda pin drop style, might look crazy and outa control but hey im still here!
VB MAN
VB MAN
1156 posts
1156 posts
19 Nov 2005 10:30am
To the not losing too much ground downwind part:

When I know I'me going to crash I make sure I land so that my body is already in the body-dragging position and the kite already at the edge of the window. This means the second you hit the water you start 'edging' upwind again. This means I usually always re-enter the water from stuffed up moves on my side. Takes a bit of experience for this to become natural, but also means you learn the feel better so as to prevent yourself getting hurt by being at the mercy of fate how you land. Don't do it it shallow water though, you can end up winding yourself pretty badly.

Jess (too lazy to sign Paul out and sign myself in)
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
19 Nov 2005 10:34am
you want to roll into the water, same principle as car bumpers and crumple zones... the longer and more surface area involved in the impact to the water the less force gets exerted on any particular bit

you really want to be away from the board and you generally dont want to go in feet first if its shallow or if your twisted up

i try to take most impacts hip and shoulder and roll with it... the risk is busted ribs but im far more scared of busting ankles and knees
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