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Mr float
Mr float
NSW
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NSW, 3452 posts
2 Dec 2008 8:23pm
perhaps rather than a name and shame campaign for people who continuously do dumb things whilst kiting that could lead to bans, there could be a figjam comp.

Regional,state and national champs .Run by state kite associations .kind of like the bad movie comp and the choice magazine 'shonky" awards

on a more serious note perhaps aksa and state assns could implement a sail number campaign .This way riders are more accountable than 'the guy with the boardies over the wetties riding the brand x kite at such and such on sat that did a lit kiteloop move right next to a bunch of walkers up the beach and crashing their kite into the family playing on the beach"

this would also make the figjam comp easier brand x kite 1234 and so on and the offence .write in and list it on the site .

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manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
VIC, 772 posts
2 Dec 2008 9:05pm
Thats a licence to kite, would cost more on the memberships, but would be a great idea though
Morg
Morg
QLD
129 posts
QLD, 129 posts
2 Dec 2008 9:05pm
sounds good in theory but the costs etc associated with maintaining the info would cause problems.
stanhalen
stanhalen
WA
187 posts
WA, 187 posts
2 Dec 2008 8:11pm
can you have personalised plates, I wan't 007 for my crusty x2, with a dodgy safety a licence to kill, probably inapropriate my bad.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
2 Dec 2008 10:48pm
Morg said...

sounds good in theory but the costs etc associated with maintaining the info would cause problems.


If its just a database the cost would be pretty cheap. Simply posted on a website, a list of sail numbers and names.

cabstar
cabstar
VIC
328 posts
VIC, 328 posts
2 Dec 2008 10:55pm
just like the dob in a hoon program.
soon we have to pay registration and register our gear.
hilly
hilly
WA
8133 posts
WA, 8133 posts
2 Dec 2008 9:42pm
pay registration and register our gear


It's probably coming, will make us like cars and boats with 3rd party insurance. Its a shame but the w#nkers f#ck it for everyone.

Might be good in the long run if it makes people think before they do.

Off topic but! Anyone been up to Wedge lately and tried to sit on the beach with the kids and dogs? That place is over run with Quads and bogans really dangerous just being on the beach as they think it is a race track. Same mentality.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
2 Dec 2008 11:55pm
Morg said...

sounds good in theory but the costs etc associated with maintaining the info would cause problems.


sounds better than not being able to kite at your local because of some dumb****s. Surely cant be that hard ."Thanks for your membership ,heres your rego and your sticker ,now be a good person and stick it on your kite and be a responsible kiter (or be up for nomination for the the figjam awards )" ,better for Aksa and state to do it than the government who will use it as yet another revenue raiser .it also shows the community that as a group we are being pro active in the safe operation of the sport.

no sticker no ride .Should help make councils and beach inspectors happier too (yes I know the 'I got into this sport because there are no rules" people will be cringing aat this idea ,there are plenty of examples on this site of the alternatives ..... "no ride here no ride here ,but there is a beautiful stretch of uncrowded coastline 3 hrs down the coast if you like")
Foot
Foot
NSW
57 posts
NSW, 57 posts
3 Dec 2008 12:02am
I think the idea is all good and well, but you'll probably find that the dodgey w#nk$rs pulling these stunts are the 1 that won't register or blow-ins who can't give a flying f#ck. Preaching to the converted once again
geoffnotdead
geoffnotdead
33 posts
33 posts
3 Dec 2008 1:04am
Wait until they decide to make it like in Germany where You need a licence(for which You obviously have to take a series of tests) to go on the water...!!
Same for golf..! No playing licence, You´re not allowed on most courses...
Fishing !!!! Not allowed to fish unless You have your licence (or hunt) and the tests for that are really, really tough...
I´m waiting for them to bring in a licence with tests for using the bog here...
So .. be happy Australia is still so relaxed..! ps. lookin´forward to Jan. when I´m comin´to visit ..
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
3 Dec 2008 2:27am
But it is our Germany....zeig heil, bring on the numbers..........man it is late and once again no wind in WA.

Nah, I don't want a number on my kite....I want a big friggen pelican on white cloth.
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
3 Dec 2008 7:52am
Foot said...

I think the idea is all good and well, but you'll probably find that the dodgey w#nk$rs pulling these stunts are the 1 that won't register or blow-ins who can't give a flying f#ck. Preaching to the converted once again


no sticker no ride.Simple
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
3 Dec 2008 7:54am
geoffnotdead said...

Wait until they decide to make it like in Germany where You need a licence(for which You obviously have to take a series of tests) to go on the water...!!
Same for golf..! No playing licence, You´re not allowed on most courses...
Fishing !!!! Not allowed to fish unless You have your licence (or hunt) and the tests for that are really, really tough...
I´m waiting for them to bring in a licence with tests for using the bog here...
So .. be happy Australia is still so relaxed..! ps. lookin´forward to Jan. when I´m comin´to visit ..


settle petal What I am suggesting is a pre emptive initiative that will go a long way to fixing the problem(rather than waiting for the govment to give us draconian and more harsh rules ) ,not a conversion to a nazi kiting regime As you can see here Australia is not so relaxed ,in fact we have rules for just about everything and it sounds like a big part of the problem is this EURO view of things that they can come here and do whatever they like with no respect .(BTW I am not suggesting that EUROS are the problem ,plenny of Aussies contribute )

I and many others are getting a bit sick of this 'oh woe we are losing our freedoms " BS .I'd rather put a sticker on my kite than have to drive hours to go for a kite because kiting has been banned at my local.
bobdaboarder
bobdaboarder
NSW
185 posts
NSW, 185 posts
3 Dec 2008 8:49am
well said mr float
Foot
Foot
NSW
57 posts
NSW, 57 posts
4 Dec 2008 11:45pm
And how do you suggest regulating that system Mr Float. Importing some redundant SS members?
nickloop
nickloop
WA
138 posts
WA, 138 posts
5 Dec 2008 12:55am
Trouble is who is going to regulate the kiters on the beach ie; checking stickers etc, if the council appoint someone guess who will have to pay the wages? yes the people with the stickers. Its really down to local riders to speak to these knobs when they arrive or come in from impressing all the girls on the beach. We get a few at my local beach and when confronted by 3-10 other p****ed off local kiters they either dont come back or behave.

Failing that kites do not react well to a small blowpipe and dart when sitting on the beach. That would stop them.
Blownaway
Blownaway
QLD
776 posts
QLD, 776 posts
5 Dec 2008 6:52am
nickloop said...

Trouble is who is going to regulate the kiters on the beach ie; checking stickers etc, if the council appoint someone guess who will have to pay the wages? yes the people with the stickers. Its really down to local riders to speak to these knobs when they arrive or come in from impressing all the girls on the beach. We get a few at my local beach and when confronted by 3-10 other p****ed off local kiters they either dont come back or behave.

Failing that kites do not react well to a small blowpipe and dart when sitting on the beach. That would stop them.


I was thinking of a sniper in the dunes but the blowpipe is far more environmental
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
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5 Dec 2008 8:57am
Foot said...

And how do you suggest regulating that system Mr Float. Importing some redundant SS members?


ah the good ol "can't do's " , 'get the SS to enforce it" **** .You blokes don't get it it do you .If we don't have this the council will do it for us .It is happening everywhere ' ."UP WILL GO THE OL NO KITESURFING"HERE SIGN (Or something like in parts of the US and Europe South Oz .Council enforced level 3 IKO ,daily permit ,spot at crap location to do it ,insurance etc etc )

To answer your question local kiters can say to anyone without a number on their kite ."Sorry mate no number no ride" dems da rules around here ( well nationwide would make it even simpler ) .and so can the council ,easy. Go join aksa or state assn and youre away ( no there is no need for some council nazi to be patrolling a simple tap on the shoulder from a local kiter or the lifeguard hits the button on the loudspeaker .COMMON SENSE FOLKS

Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
5 Dec 2008 9:35am
so rather than capitulating to the naysayers here is an example of how self regualtion can work .Hang Gliding has had sites closed all over Australia yet in Newcastle you can hang glide right in the middle of the city .Why ? there is a strong and pro active hang gliding club who self regulate and don't cave into the naysayers an 'oh its too hard' brigade and have not left regulation to the council .

Councils actually see and like this kind of thing and don't always weild the iron rod .As the naysayers say the council has better things to do than catch hang glider pilots and kitesurfers and if the club keeps things in order they are happy
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
5 Dec 2008 10:39am
ALL join SAKSA, you get your permit, then you can use a few of Adelaide's beaches. you gotta wear a cattle tag on you or something like that, when you go out, but i don't think it has to go in your ear.

I love the idea of having a big number on my kite. I'll feel like i'm in a racing car, broooom broooom!!

I like the self regulation aspect too, but it is hard to do on a national level. each location needs to do it their own way.

pretty lucky here in Darwin so far. Council have put up a permit system for "blow carts" on the beach....... why?? because some silly blow carter, asked them if they needed a permit....."what a great idea" said the council, "that'll be $50 for your curiosity, and now you can only do it here and here."
I just hope no-one asks our council about kitesurfing.

If it already looks regulated then councils are more likely to consult with the regulating body instead of imposing their version of regulations themselves.

If you have problem kiters or whinging beach goers it's going to happen.

The message is clear and simple
Do it to ourselves (our way) before it gets done to us (their way)

Saffer
Saffer
VIC
4501 posts
VIC, 4501 posts
5 Dec 2008 10:44am
As part of the process of implementing this, the AKSA team have announced that an agreement has been reached on the adoption of minor changes to the current kiting language for the implementation of this kite registry system. As part of the negotiations, it was conceded that a standard has to be established for common spelling in AKSA and accepted a five-year phased plan for what will be known as AKSA lingo.

In the first year "s" will be used instead of the soft "c". Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy. Also, the hard "c" will be replaced with "k". Not only will this klear up konfusion but keyboards kan have one letter less.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced by "f". This will make words like "foto" 20 per sent shorter.
In the third year publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Instructors will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horible mes of silent "e"s in the languag is disgrasful, and they would go.

By the fourth year peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" by "z" and "w" by " v".

During ze fifz year ze unesesary "o" kanbe dropd from vords kontaining "ou", and similar changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.

Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al b speking German lik zey vunted in ze forst plas
airush geoff
airush geoff
974 posts
974 posts
5 Dec 2008 9:12am
Regulations are in place- how well we all abide and how considerate we are to others will determine how strict they become....

The membership tags in SA and Vicco are numbered and relate back to a database so a kiter can be identified by their tag number. Dunno about large numbers on kites tho.....

Back to the topic- FIGJAM awards,

Could we have the inaugural nominations listed on seabreeze ? With accompanying photographic evidence ?

Then there could be a vote ? Or better yet each state association nominates their best couple to fight it out for the title...

What would the categories be ?
Dumbass
Dumbass
SA
48 posts
SA, 48 posts
5 Dec 2008 10:53am
windsurfers and yachts have sail numbers. Each dude has a number and it goes on all his sails.

Member of public can say to council/state kitemob "Number 8970" nearly killed me.
Number 8970 can be contacted and asked what happened, and options open up for remedy that doesn't involve all out bans.

It's just some bits of 6oz spinaker tape cut into numbers.








wal269
wal269
WA
718 posts
WA, 718 posts
5 Dec 2008 11:12am
As soon as you hand regulation to people outside the sport it is all over.

Self regulation, common sense, dont be afraid to talk to guys doing things that endanger the public.

Can believe people are calling for numbers on kites........get your head read.
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