Fins Big Vs Small

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monkey
monkey
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
17 Jan 2006 8:25pm
Do Bigger fins make it easier to go upwind when the current is extremely strong??

What are the pros and cons??

Big fins for better grip in strong winds and chop
while small fins = more skatey??

How do you know when fins are too big?

DOes it affect POP?

Cheers
Gstar
Gstar
WA
391 posts
WA, 391 posts
17 Jan 2006 6:41pm
Suck it and see!!!.....
Gstar
Gstar
WA
391 posts
WA, 391 posts
17 Jan 2006 6:41pm
Suck it and see!!!.....
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
17 Jan 2006 10:12pm
quote:
Originally posted by monkey

Do Bigger fins make it easier to go upwind when the current is extremely strong??

What are the pros and cons??

Big fins for better grip in strong winds and chop
while small fins = more skatey??

How do you know when fins are too big?

DOes it affect POP?

Cheers




You know when your fins are too big when......
You're fanging full bore towards the beach; you attempt a carving heel gybe but you can't switch....
You can't break the fucn 'tail' free...
It feels like your riding on railway tracks and there's no getting off....
They're magnetic tracks with glue on them...
and the beach is rushing at you at 100 kph

That's when you boost your favorite air transition, throw in the obligatory kite-loop and kite away,
to live another day.

Regards,
slave.
congo abrezio
congo abrezio
NT
285 posts
NT, 285 posts
18 Jan 2006 9:17am
this is just my personal preference but i find that smaller fins work better for me. i used to have 2.0 fins and they were the most anoying thing when ya cruzin along full pace then all of a sudden ur stop by a sandbar and thrown face first into the shallow water. i eventually ended up grinding my fins down( too pov to by another set lol) to 1.5 and thats made things alot easier for me cuttin upwind feels exactly the same acually i couldnt feel a whole lot of difference except now i can go over shallow spot with ease. also i found that landing jumps are easier. if i land with my board a bit sideways i can usully slide my board into place agen and keep going, it might look like a sketchier landing but at least ur not knocked out in the water from a face slap. cheers

josh....
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
18 Jan 2006 11:45am
I went finless after I knocked all but one of the fins off my redline, once i'd gotten used to the feel I took them off my other board also. I never used to believe it, but fins are next to useless if your riding flat water or chop - you'll get better upwind without em. you might want fins on a wave though
congo abrezio
congo abrezio
NT
285 posts
NT, 285 posts
18 Jan 2006 11:25am
same here bondo i ride a redline and i rekon the smaller the fins the better and all i usually ride is flat water and small chop and smaller fins.
ran
ran
VIC
333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
18 Jan 2006 1:08pm
smaller the better, thinking of pissing off both toe side, down to one anyway, only time i like bigger fins is at cable ski park so i can have big carving sessions.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
18 Jan 2006 1:00pm
I noticed a few of the Altona brigade doing the finless thing, and the reason given that it allowed them to ride shallower water.

My board has about 50mm fins and after trying Azza's finless board. give me fins any day. I just like that quicker bite you get when switching direction for a healside carve, and toeside carving seems a tad more secure.

I don't think you need any more than minimal fin size, just some.
And as for shallow water, it is usually my rail that hits first, followed by the deck suctioning down onto the sand, followed by my face also suctioning onto the sand. Not fun at altona.

I once experimented with my Stonker KX137 and moved straps to a rearward and directional position, and put a pair of directional board fins at the rear. Toeside carving became very easy and smooth, but switching the board for a healside turn got hard.

So I think fins should be as small as possible but be there.

Best winds
Tony L
ABK
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
18 Jan 2006 1:09pm
A big thing about going finless is the shape of your rail... if it's sharp you will be able to hold down LOTS of edge... if it's round you'll get pulled off your edge and/or slip downwind a LOT easier.

The board mentioned by Tony is a big Stonker Mongrel 167 (AKA the Bloody Mongrel)... finless it's a light wind dream (esp' with a 20m Naish X2). The option is a big floaty surfboard with big fins, and big fins don't go well in shallow water. The mongrel holds a good solid edge, even in stronger winds.

Another common board, the Stonker 157, has rounded surfboard style rails and needs fins. Whether in surf or flat water this board needs 2.5 inch fins or less... whatever your comfortable with. You can't hold an edge for long with out them. Any bigger than 2.5 inch fins and I wouldnt be able to turn it at all, that stuck on traintracks feeling... I think your size, weight, and strength would be the deciding factor of how big a fin can be, whilst the ability to hold an edge is the decider for how small a fin can be.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
18 Jan 2006 3:42pm
Azza how did you resist the airblast 6.3 Q
ran
ran
VIC
333 posts
ran ran
VIC, 333 posts
18 Jan 2006 4:58pm
just out of interest what size exactly are you guys using, on my old board ive got 30mm, which i love, and my new Cardboard 130 has 40mm, which i will try tommorow (come on wind gods!!) do you think i will notice the difference, sure ill find out, but im doing a big downwinder and dont want to spend three hours cursing the extra 10mm. So what is a small fin?
azza
azza
1338 posts
1338 posts
18 Jan 2006 3:03pm
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

Azza how did you resist the airblast 6.3 Q



"resist not little one; I have you in my grasp"... hehehe
ellery
ellery
VIC
187 posts
VIC, 187 posts
18 Jan 2006 6:04pm
monkey,

Just noticed today that one of my heelside edge fins has fallen off. Was an awesome chance to try both fins and finless in exactly the same conditions. Not too sure what i'm going to do, but i definitely liked skimming over the seaweed a lot better.

I would just put whatever you want on one side of your board and leave the other normal. It gives you direct feedback straight away.

James
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