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Christina
Christina
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
19 Jul 2007 1:03am
hey guys.. i'm not sure if this should be in here or the gear reviews section, but anyways..

I'm looking to buy my first kite around about now (just got a big payout from an old job) and i'm unsure of what's out there. I'm pretty interested in a 9m Rebel 07.. although that was initially just because it was pink, and i like pretty things. but now there is one second hand that looks very tempting..

I weigh 55kg and i'm not the strongest of girls, but i'm working on it! I've played around with a couple of kites including a North Vegas and umm.. i think it was a Cabrinha Xbow (all i remember is that it was red and not nearly as pretty as the Vegas) but yeah.. i wanna make sure i'm not jumping into the wrong kite too early and end up scaring myself.

What would be a good beginners kite?
echostorm
echostorm
QLD
1245 posts
QLD, 1245 posts
19 Jul 2007 9:26am
Try a 9m or 11m Turbo 2, exceptional range and a great kite, beginner to advance. However for a chick maybe the bar pressure might be a bit heavy, unless of course you want strong forearms? Xbow are almost the same to fly as the Turbo2 however the bar pressure isnt as heavy, although the kite isnt as ruggard as a T2 (T2's are invinsible). If you want to save a few pennys a waroo best is an exceptional all round kite, great for flat water and surf with exceptional depower. Use the money you save and by other gear Great to see another girl getting into the sport! GOOD LUCK!!
rusty7
rusty7
QLD
504 posts
QLD, 504 posts
19 Jul 2007 9:50am
Rebel 9m is a perfect choice for you. (Any of the 06/07 flat or hybrid kites would be good). Good bar presssure full depower and versitile, good on flat water and good in surf ....rebel is a good all round kite. There are a few tricks to the set up to optimise the handling. There are also some 10m kites around for sale at the moment they would be fine also. The 9m waroo is also a good kite for you and there are some of those around also. If you are a beginner then yeah get a second hand kite but if you are confident you are not going crash the thing heaps and you have th money have a look at the new 08 rebel they have slowed it down little and improved the relaunch, but if you want pretty the new Batwing or helix type kite by Naish would get the money, and from the reviews it performs pretty well also. Thats my 2 cents worth Anyway good luck.
jayoox
jayoox
NSW
16 posts
NSW, 16 posts
19 Jul 2007 9:50am
And the Waroo comes in a very pretty Pink
sorse
sorse
NSW
509 posts
NSW, 509 posts
19 Jul 2007 10:39am
the 9m T2 comes in pink, and black. The bar pressure may be a little heavy but it has a very simple slidding stopper ball so it's easy to take the load off your arms and relax. Far simpler then most bows and super quick and easy to water relaunch.. Plus it comes in pink too. Any kite you test ride try water relaunching as, you will be crashing while you learn generally. No point getting a great kite that you have to be an expert to water relaunch.
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
19 Jul 2007 8:56am
the rebel is a great kite but on bar pressure comparison to the vegas its higher ..as in need more arm strength..has a better wind range though than vegas. I would go more for a xbow or flat bow kite to learn on. better relaunch for starters and better low end for more time on the water.

from what I heard out of a shop owners mouth that sells both kites (xbows and rebels) the l plate ladies seem to like the bows more because of the above reasons .

I learnt on a 9meter bow but currently ride the rebels as they are a better kite for my wants.
Christina
Christina
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
19 Jul 2007 10:46am
Thanks for the input guys! i love the fact that you stuck with my pink requirement.

I've got a little upper body strength (not as much as i did a month ago) from my hanggliding, i'm sure i can develop my muscles to kiting.

I'm not used to having so much choice on what i fly. In hanggliding there are two or three beginner gliders and none of them are small enough for me anyway so it's a bit of work sometimes in high wind conditions for me to get control (or nil wind when i'm coming into land with turbulence and smack in, breaking my arm.. but thankfully not the glider!) This kiting malarkey is a luxury! So many choices!
rusty7
rusty7
QLD
504 posts
QLD, 504 posts
19 Jul 2007 1:16pm
Christina ....don't get freaked out about arm strength required,the truth is that most of the pull is taken up by the harness. You can set you chicken loop throw to get the right length for your arms fairly easily. You then adjust the sheeting and use the stopper ball.
By edging with the board you can fly with 2 fingers on the bar or no hands at all. I can do this on a Rebel 14m and i am nearly twice your weight. Don't get hung up on upper arm strength, after a couple of years when you get to unhooked kite loops then you will need the strength to hung on. But by then there will be a fully automatic load balancing harness and heated bars. ...Beware though once you have your own gear your life is your about to change, there will be some hang gliding gear going cheap on ebay to fund your new obsesion.
Do you have a board already??
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
19 Jul 2007 11:44am
quote:
Originally posted by Christina

although that was initially just because it was pink


You are in luck, kiteboy has just been allowed back on the forum, is an expert in choosing pink kites and also has very little arm strength.
lancekenny
lancekenny
SA
402 posts
SA, 402 posts
19 Jul 2007 1:16pm
Christina my wife who is the same weight as you rides a 7m flow when I am riding my 12m flow, I havent ridden too many other kites (LF Havoc being one with nearly no bar pressure at all) for comparison but for her and I to learn and progress we have been very happy with our choices.

She also isnt super strong in the upper body but once she was used to using her weight through the harness she became a lot more comfortable.

Hope this helps.
Neill
Neill
VIC
484 posts
VIC, 484 posts
19 Jul 2007 2:33pm
If you're buying a single kite to use in many different conditions, i would certainly choose a bow kite. that narrows it a bit.

Size-wise, at 55kg you are 7kg lighter than me, and i fly an 11m GK sonic from 10-30 knots (single kite quiver). I would be looking at something around 8-9m, possibly even a 7 if it's a grunty kite.

My votes would go like this:

1) 2007 8m GK sonic
2) 9m Waroo
3) Switchblade II around this size
4) Other

Try a few before you buy, i think the 8m sonic would be the pick of the bunch but i'm a bit biased. The waroo might have more low-end and will probably be a bit easier to fly initially, but the sonic will enable you to progress quite a long way!
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
19 Jul 2007 1:12pm
quote:
Originally posted by echostorm
Xbow are almost the same to fly as the Turbo2 however the bar pressure isnt as heavy, although the kite isnt as ruggard as a T2 (T2's are invinsible).

WOT THE ???
Gotta disagree with you here storm. I reckon the bar pressure on the turbo is a whole step lighter than the Xbow. Turbos do get hell heavy once you are struggling right down at their bottom end (maybe more than the XBow then ?? - dunno 4 sure at that extreme) but if you you adjust your wind range accordingly that doesnt have to be a problem.
Be interested to konw what others think on this one.
AND storm (or anyone) - have you flown the 14M T2 - be interested in your thoughts on this bigger size T2 esp re turning speed & bar pressure.
Skwinty
Skwinty
WA
164 posts
WA, 164 posts
19 Jul 2007 1:49pm
quote:
Originally posted by jayoox

And the Waroo comes in a very pretty Pink



Have a good lookat the Waroo..... It really is a great Kite to learn on... Very forgiving - but also will still be suited once you get to an intermediate level.
Christina
Christina
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
19 Jul 2007 8:09pm
quote:
Originally posted by rusty7

Beware though once you have your own gear your life is your about to change, there will be some hang gliding gear going cheap on ebay to fund your new obsesion.

Do you have a board already??



Firstly, there aint no way i am selling my baby glider. i adore her. (plus selling hanggliders on ebay is the best way to kill/maim some idiot who decides he can give it a go without a licence or instruction or anything)

But to the main part.. no i dont have a board. i was going to get over the kite hurdle then look at the millions of boards on offer. Do you have any good advice about boards? if left to my own devices i'd pick the prettiest board in the shop (which at the moment i think was a North Jamie Pro.. it had little faries all over it)
echostorm
echostorm
QLD
1245 posts
QLD, 1245 posts
19 Jul 2007 10:43pm
quote:
Originally posted by puppetonastring

quote:
Originally posted by echostorm
Xbow are almost the same to fly as the Turbo2 however the bar pressure isnt as heavy, although the kite isnt as ruggard as a T2 (T2's are invinsible).

WOT THE ???
Gotta disagree with you here storm. I reckon the bar pressure on the turbo is a whole step lighter than the Xbow. Turbos do get hell heavy once you are struggling right down at their bottom end (maybe more than the XBow then ?? - dunno 4 sure at that extreme) but if you you adjust your wind range accordingly that doesnt have to be a problem.
Be interested to konw what others think on this one.
AND storm (or anyone) - have you flown the 14M T2 - be interested in your thoughts on this bigger size T2 esp re turning speed & bar pressure.



Yea i am probably wrong about the xbow bar pressure, I am going on other peoples reports that are most likely biased. I own an 11 and 14 T2. 14 is like a bigger slower and more powerful version then the 11. Bar pressure is pretty heavy but I just love everything about both kites, 10/10.
foorked
foorked
VIC
152 posts
VIC, 152 posts
19 Jul 2007 11:20pm
i ride the jamie pro M 128, and its a great board! though i have never riden anything else! only thing ive found is the feet straps dont adjust too well

i didnt realize it was so femanine!, the fairys are actually peter pans! if you look at the base its peter pan theme, peter pan, skulls, tinkerbell, crocks and hook. complete with 'i will never grow up' written
Christina
Christina
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
19 Jul 2007 11:12pm
quote:
Originally posted by foorked

complete with 'i will never grow up' written



Sounds like the perfect board for me!!
kite boy
kite boy
WA
354 posts
WA, 354 posts
19 Jul 2007 11:25pm
quote:
Originally posted by Neill

If you're buying a single kite to use in many different conditions, i would certainly choose a bow kite. that narrows it a bit.

Size-wise, at 55kg you are 7kg lighter than me, and i fly an 11m GK sonic from 10-30 knots (single kite quiver). I would be looking at something around 8-9m, possibly even a 7 if it's a grunty kite.

My votes would go like this:

1) 2007 8m GK sonic
2) 9m Waroo
3) Switchblade II around this size
4) Other

Try a few before you buy, i think the 8m sonic would be the pick of the bunch but i'm a bit biased. The waroo might have more low-end and will probably be a bit easier to fly initially, but the sonic will enable you to progress quite a long way!



NO NO NO BAD NEIL GET A C KITE THEY ARE THE FUTURE
rusty7
rusty7
QLD
504 posts
QLD, 504 posts
20 Jul 2007 12:22pm
Yep the advice on board is get somehing bigger than you require to start with.Forget pretty cause this will be your light wind board later on. Nobile 555 130 would be ideal and.....THEY COME IN PINK. Anything around the 130 to 135 is going to make learning much easier for you. A bigger board will get you up and going easily therefore requiring less agression in flying he kite to get you up. Once you have this all sorted out and you can go in both directions and go up wind. Then look at getting the optimum size board like a 122.
(oh and ..there are some people who think they can learn to kite surf without lessons too. Just as dumb.)
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
20 Jul 2007 12:23pm
christina on subject of boards and designs ..color and graphics check out cardboarding.com

its aussie company and if you like pwetty shiny stuff you can get them to do your own design graphics or choose their large selection. also seems to be well priced compared to other brands.

I have one and not affiliated to them just love the graphics I have on mine and happy how it rides.

anyhow go check out the death graphic thread the dude has posted on there about his boards.also as pointed out...bigger is better to learn on (gee never thought I would say that to a chick).
INfiniDIE
INfiniDIE
WA
478 posts
WA, 478 posts
20 Jul 2007 12:41pm
Theres a guy in Osb Park that sells Skimboards under the name of Sandgroper, and he does custom spraying with rice paper jobs too. so you could just get a board, paint over it and make ur own design

and in response to an eralier question, no u dont know me, ive just seen you and the lads flying around above fences down at cotts, you've got a FUN right?
Christina
Christina
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
20 Jul 2007 12:47pm
quote:
Originally posted by INfiniDIE

Theres a guy in Osb Park that sells Skimboards under the name of Sandgroper, and he does custom spraying with rice paper jobs too. so you could just get a board, paint over it and make ur own design

and in response to an eralier question, no u dont know me, ive just seen you and the lads flying around above fences down at cotts, you've got a FUN right?



Hmm.. interesting.. but i think i will go with the Jamie pro. it's pretty.

Yeah, i have a fun. Pinkish-purple and yellow. Hot pink harness. Only i'm not allowed to fly cott yet. it's an advanced site because of all the people around. i was sooo close to being able to fly before my accident! argh! But.. everyone flies funs at cott. i wanna get me a litespeed, then fly cott! hehe, i'll be giving people haircuts with my tip vortices!
echostorm
echostorm
QLD
1245 posts
QLD, 1245 posts
20 Jul 2007 3:36pm
Liquidforce make some nice chick boards.
INfiniDIE
INfiniDIE
WA
478 posts
WA, 478 posts
20 Jul 2007 4:11pm

quote:

hehe, i'll be giving people haircuts with my tip vortices!



you do know that wing tip vortices are bad dont you? if someone is flying in your wake, you could give them negative lift... stick some vortex disruptors on your upper camber at staggered intervals of opposite angles of 70' and 90' to evenly distribute air wake...
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
20 Jul 2007 4:58pm
I weigh about the same as you and i ride a 7m crossbow2. Itll just get me going in 15knots, and i find my limit is about 27knots.
Christina
Christina
WA
29 posts
WA, 29 posts
20 Jul 2007 5:24pm
quote:
Originally posted by INfiniDIE


[you do know that wing tip vortices are bad dont you? if someone is flying in your wake, you could give them negative lift... stick some vortex disruptors on your upper camber at staggered intervals of opposite angles of 70' and 90' to evenly distribute air wake...



I know they're bad. I fly with paragliders, the biggest, slowest vortex creators. I hate flying in vortices, but it doesnt do any more than create a bit of turbulence. the stuff we create isnt big enough to do any damage. Plus they kinda caused my crash that broke my arm, which is stopping me from flying and kiting, and now i'm grumpy because the kite i was gonna buy is sold.

Anyone else got a 9m North Rebel in pink and black for me?!
INfiniDIE
INfiniDIE
WA
478 posts
WA, 478 posts
21 Jul 2007 1:18am
I have a Red and White Naish X3, but its 14^2m which is kinda massive for beginners (its my first kite and its too big for me to use) the guy at Airborne said its more a high performance kite and i shouldnt hook in until im in the water...

Ive flown it a few times without a harness and i got scared ****less so ill stay away till i buy a harness (but i just got my motorbike licence) so ehhhh! too many things, not enough money.
Zanzibar
Zanzibar
VIC
19 posts
VIC, 19 posts
21 Jul 2007 10:41am
Hi Christina
Lots of good advice above but the traumas of learning can be minimised by the following:
1. Buy a Bow kite and learn on this rather than a C kite. Transition to a C later if you like but learning on a Bow is definitely much easier (Crossbow, GK etc)
2. There are plenty of good second hand kites around and you will be able to get a very good 2006 model for maybe 50% of the new kite price. Your first kite is going to have a hard time and you are going to crash it lots before you get the hang of it, so why buy a new one ??
3. Lessons are an absolute must, no exceptions and particularly for an appreciation of kite safety
4. After you have mastered the basics, body drag yourself up and down the beach until you are sick of it, ....and then do it for another couple of days ! Don't get on the nice pink board until you are completely competent in the body dragging dept

Have fun, ....its a fantastic sport

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