Flying kite in the suburbs.

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deXtrous
deXtrous
NSW
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14 Oct 2009 12:11am
Gday... I live out west and want to start practicing with my kite. I don't really wanna head all the way out to the beach just to practice on the sand, so I was wondering if it was acceptable to just kite in a big open park for my first couple of times?

cheers
eightfootplus
eightfootplus
NSW
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14 Oct 2009 12:26am
Go to the beach to practice in the water, not on the sand, or on the land.

cabstar
cabstar
VIC
328 posts
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14 Oct 2009 12:28am
get a land board and a small foil kite you will have a hoot
blokey
blokey
WA
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13 Oct 2009 9:34pm
I spose you could, just be sure to post what the view is like from the top of the power lines when you get lofted.
Aorta
Aorta
VIC
244 posts
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14 Oct 2009 9:35am
cabstar said...

get a land board and a small foil kite you will have a hoot


this...

However just remember that wind coming off the land has turbulence which is created after hitting trees, buildings etc so the wind will not be as consistent as the wind coming off a large flat body of water.
Also landing from great heights onto grass hurts a bit more than landing on water or soft sand.
japie
japie
NSW
7146 posts
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14 Oct 2009 10:16am
I learned to kite board with a small power kit and a mountain board 200k's away from the sea. I did it for two years before I moved to the coast and the transition to the water was trouble and lesson free. It is an excellent cheap and fun filled way of learning. You may end up with a few grazes but you get to practice when you cannot be on the water.
Mattress
Mattress
NSW
120 posts
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14 Oct 2009 10:28am
Some people do it but its very dangerous. Too many things can go wrong. You won't learn much from flying the kite at some park anyway as you won't be able to generate much power unless you want to get dragged along the ground or lofted into a tree.

Just save it for the weekends or after work. Eventually you will get hooked enough to move closer to the beach

milko
milko
NSW
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14 Oct 2009 10:32am
Just move to the coast
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
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14 Oct 2009 11:05am
I wouldnt recomend it..... you are much more likely to hurt yourself and the kite.
If you have a foil kite - ie flysurfer or peter lynn... then not such a big deal to the kite.
But land is where there are lots of gusts, and a gust+bad landing = no kiting for long time.

Saffer
Saffer
VIC
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14 Oct 2009 11:09am
Wind travelling over houses is very gusty. Your kite will fall out of the sky regularly and you'll end up trashing it. If its a trainer, its fine, but if its a proper kitesurfing kite, you'll either hurt yourself or break the kite.
koma
koma
VIC
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14 Oct 2009 11:52am
As has been suggested, get a landboard and go nuts!
When i fly my inflato's on land i usually go 2-4m down from what i'd usually use on the water as you really don't need anywhere near as much power to get rolling, and you can't hold down much power on a landboard.

Yes, crashing on land does hurt. I landed on my wrist from a small boost about 2 months ago and it's still not fixed. :(
Yes, you CAN trash your inflato if you crash it on land. If your still at the stage where your gonna crash your kite then you probably shouldn't be flying it on land.

You can pick up a second hand depower foil kite for ~$300-600 depending on the brand and size which might be a better idea if you are keen on getting into the landboarding side of things.
cabstar
cabstar
VIC
328 posts
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14 Oct 2009 12:23pm
i got a brad new 4m foil which is enogh to get me goin on the land board in ober 10knts for 4oo bucks it is great fun and is easy to learn the only problem is my foil is on bars and i cant figure out a good setup so i can use a harness but it is still great fun and it helps with my kiting a heap.
cabstar
cabstar
VIC
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14 Oct 2009 12:24pm
and it handle gust heaps easyer the a inflatable.
japie
japie
NSW
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14 Oct 2009 12:33pm
I cannot understand why there is always so much concern about safety whenever kiting on land is mentioned. If you have a look at the scene in Europe it is huge. I have seen a video where over a hundred are kiters racing.

Sure if you boost on land then you put yourself at risk so don't do it unless you are prepared to take the risk.

I learned at the age of 49 and whilst I am not a brilliant kiter at 54 I am competent on land and water and get a huge amount of enjoyment out of it.

When I moved to Stockton and got to know some of the local kiters one of the instructors commented that he wished that all of his students would learn to fly a kite competently before trying on the water.

You can have an absolute gas on a mountain board using a 3m foil in 15 knot winds. I weigh 87 kgs and have been clocked at 60kph on the beach. Using handles you have instant depower if you get into trouble. You only need one lesson of about fifteen minutes to learn to fly one. I bought mine from KP and was flying in no time at all. It took me a while to learn to go upwind and being old and never having used a skate board that was a bit of a learning experience but I did it and without help.

So go for it. It is a hell of a lot cheaper as well. A foil will cost about $200 and a board $400 new. Try learning to kite board on water for $600 with equipment thrown in!

And as I say the transition to water was a no brainer and did not require lessons. My son also leaned the same way and is now a sponsored rider so it can be done if you think outside the square and take no heed of the nay sayers.

And yes, winds are gusty over land. Get over it, if you learn to kite on land you will get a rapid lesson on what winds you can use and where and be a lot better off for it.

japie
japie
NSW
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14 Oct 2009 12:38pm
I forgot to add to that diatribe.

Do not ever try to fly with a harness or hooked in in any way. With handles you can let go in an instant. With a harness as a learner you can be ten foot in the air before you get hold of the safety release which is bad karma.
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
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14 Oct 2009 4:51pm
hi japie.... i think the original poster is refering to flying his kitesurfing kite on land.
in which case a harness is a necessity. unless you are rambo.

I was feeling very impressed that you are 54 and was able to fly on land without getting hurt... until you mentioned no harness.
of course this is okay - but i dont think its what Dextrous is asking.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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14 Oct 2009 2:53pm
Darwin had you in mind dexxy.
enicao
enicao
WA
77 posts
WA, 77 posts
14 Oct 2009 8:21pm
I ve seen a guy who tried landboarding by himself, he didn't know anything about kites.
he left the beach in a helicopter with his leg broken in 4 places, one of which the bone was sticking out.

I came to the beach when I saw the helicoptere, so I couldn't have told him it was a bad idea.

he though landboarding would be fun with a 10m kite in 30 knots.
japie
japie
NSW
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15 Oct 2009 3:14am
Hi Bigmark and Koma,

Yeah sorry I just get carried away and did not read properly. Hitched in on any kite as a learner on land is a big no no. Other than anything you will bust it when it prangs.

When I got involved in the sport I had not played rugby for seven years, which until then had dominated my sporting life. I needed something to get me active afterward and I saw paragliding but chickened out. Then when on holiday in South Africa I visited a kite shop and they told me a bit about it. When I got back here I looked it up on the internet, contacted Neil at Hold the Line Kites in Perth.

I took advice for the first time in my life, bought a little two line stunt kite, the Qujokka, and have not looked back. Would have quit rugby years before had I known how much physical fun you could have on your own!

People always ask what it is like when you come in off the water. Is it fun? Naah hate it you stupid prick, that's why I was out there for three hours!

For me it is exhilarating, being out on the water. It does not matter what has been on your mind, however important it just fades and it is just you and your kite and the wind.

I did my AKSA course last year because I wanted to get folk involved as opposed to making a living. I have never used it as I feel the approach actually scares people away. I know for a fact that there is no way I would have persevered had I taken the conventional route. Some take to it very quickly but older people and girls need a different approach and kids can be introduced a lot earlier on land.

I have watched too many conventional learners struggling and not having fun for too long. No wonder so many give up. One of my instructor mates reckons that out of ten students, two will buy a kite and one will take it up as a sport. At $100 an hour that is a piss weak ratio.

If you learn on land with a foil you can kite in winds significantly lighter than on the water which opens up a huge window of learning. Anyone who is involved in this sport knows that the biggest drawback is windows of opportunity. You can fire up a foil and a land board in very light wind. It takes bugger all to get you rolling so you can practice whilst it is safe.

One of the huge hurdles in teaching is getting most students to understand how to go up wind. Try and couple that with getting them to keep the board on their feet, kite in the air and stay afloat facing the right direction and they are stuffed. On a land board it is easy and the transition to water is a natural.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
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15 Oct 2009 11:26am
Good advice - get a stunt kite for $50 or a trainer for $150-ish (?). Save ya proper kite (and yourself) from getting busted and you will pick up the neccesary basics of wind window, power zone etc just fine.

BTW japie - i have a Quokka (from Neil @ HTL) too and got it years before taking up kiting. Have my kids on it now days.
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