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bjhjames
bjhjames
QLD
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30 Sep 2007 12:29pm
Hi,
I have three teenage kids and myself who want to learn to kite surf.
All are competent surfers and in the ocean, just want an alternative sport for the spring lack of surf and northerlies.
Have bought an Ozone IMP 3.5 trainer and now all have good kite control in a reasonable wind range.
So my kid’s safety is paramount and need now to start lessons. But at lessons quoted of $200 + a 2 hour session, 4 of us learning, every family day of lessons is heading towards a grand a day! And that before I buy 4 kits, boards, harness which will cost me 15K+ to get the good gear etc
Hoping to find qualified instructor I can hire on an hourly basis.
Live in Brisbane but am regularly on both coasts.
Anyone who could give me some direction or contacts would be a great help
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
30 Sep 2007 11:49am
brisbane aye... well you would be buying 3 kites and 3 boards and 3 harnesses, well you get the point so you probably would find that you get free lessons if you buy the gear from a shop new. ask Padi as he appears to have stuff sorted on that level although i say that not knowing much about the other guys in brisbane.

buy it all together and its going to save you a lot
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
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WA, 2184 posts
30 Sep 2007 11:54am
ahh, 4 kites ect. i didnt read that one properly at first.
at the price i would pay for all that it would be... $8900 and thats at retail price new for the best value gear.
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
30 Sep 2007 2:11pm
We are based in Brissy with qualified IKO Instructors and do group lessons too. We can cater for your whole family and work out a deal to suit your budget. We guarantee to beat any quotes in the market provided they are from an authorised distributor.

Wherever you go, make sure you are getting lessons from qualified instructors, not Joe Blog who sells off his van, non-qualified, no insurance, and doesnt give you the qualification on paper you so deserve. Kiteboarding is a very high risk sport. What happens if.... is the simple question you need to ask. Do you sue the pants of him/her? I think you never want to have such worry.

Dont even think about gear at this stage. Take the lesson first and decide. Your qualified instructor will be able to give you professional advice on what gear suits you best according to your budget and ability.

If you have the lesson with us, we will even give you your money back if you end up buying gear from us, and once you completed your level 3 IKO card (normally takes 2-3 lessons), we will continue to give you free advice/tips whenever you kite at where we teach.

We use the latest 2008 kites in our school and Headzone communication helmets, provide all the gear you need for the lesson including helmets, impact vests, wetties.....

PM or give us a call if you have any other questions or are ready to take the plunge. We teach 7 days a week.
Joe Lyon
Joe Lyon
QLD
28 posts
QLD, 28 posts
30 Sep 2007 7:03pm
My mate at work learned with a instructor named Kurt, he teaches at Brighton area and he got 2 other members in his family instruction at the same time,then gave him really good deals on some 2nd hand gear, even lent out his spare board for 2 months to the younger brotha.

You got to remember its only kitesurfing not brain surgery

hope this helps
Joe Lyon
Joe Lyon
QLD
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QLD, 28 posts
30 Sep 2007 9:38pm
quote:
Originally posted by padi

We are based in Brissy with qualified IKO Instructors and do group lessons too. We can cater for your whole family and work out a deal to suit your budget. We guarantee to beat any quotes in the market provided they are from an authorised distributor.

Wherever you go, make sure you are getting lessons from qualified instructors, not Joe Blog who sells off his van, non-qualified, no insurance, and doesnt give you the qualification on paper you so deserve. Kiteboarding is a very high risk sport. What happens if.... is the simple question you need to ask. Do you sue the pants of him/her? I think you never want to have such worry.





Theres limited high risk! If you undergo good quality instruction it reduces that risk(i agree). IKO is not the be all and end all of instruction. For Gods sake 'it aint brain surgery'

Please tell me Padi, prior to the LORD apearing to you in a vision and imparting his great knowledge upon yourself re: IKO,what insurance did most schools use?


Yours and like most others ran quite well without IKO. Whats changed?
bjhjames
bjhjames
QLD
179 posts
QLD, 179 posts
30 Sep 2007 10:20pm
Thanks for the feedback
Padi I will give you a call next week. (I tried to order a trainer kite from you, left a meassge on your service, & didnt hear back from you! So next time call me!!)

Cheers
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
30 Sep 2007 11:02pm
Soz, been teaching solid. But I thought I have replied to all messages. Saying that there was one message I just couldnt hear what the message was, it was like left from a speaker phone, the message was just echoey and couldnt hear a thing. Does that sound like yours?



quote:
Originally posted by bjhjames

Thanks for the feedback
Padi I will give you a call next week. (I tried to order a trainer kite from you, left a meassge on your service, & didnt hear back from you! So next time call me!!)

Cheers

SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
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1 Oct 2007 10:03am
I never instructed before I attained my IKO qualification. I employed instructors who were IKO and had their own insurance. I would never teach without insurance myself as I know the risk involved and would not recommend anyone to do so unless you want to risk everything you own. I do not agree with your optimistic view that kitesurfing is a easy sport to take up and doesnt require serious consideration of the dangers and risks involved. You do not have to look far to find tons of kiting accidents in your local scene, youtube and online forums, from careless and idiotic acts, mostly due to people not having proper professional tuition in the first place. At the end of the day, if you want to save a few dollars and risk your own life and learn from non-qualified people, it is your own choice and your own liability.


quote:
Originally posted by Joe Lyon

Theres limited high risk! If you undergo good quality instruction it reduces that risk(i agree). IKO is not the be all and end all of instruction. For Gods sake 'it aint brain surgery'

Please tell me Padi, prior to the LORD apearing to you in a vision and imparting his great knowledge upon yourself re: IKO,what insurance did most schools use?


Yours and like most others ran quite well without IKO. Whats changed?

kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
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1 Oct 2007 9:58am
or as most accidents happen, people becoming complacent
Joe Lyon
Joe Lyon
QLD
28 posts
QLD, 28 posts
1 Oct 2007 7:28pm
quote:
Originally posted by padi

I never instructed before I attained my IKO qualification. I employed instructors who were IKO and had their own insurance. I would never teach without insurance myself as I know the risk involved and would not recommend anyone to do so unless you want to risk everything you own. I do not agree with your optimistic view that kitesurfing is a easy sport to take up and doesnt require serious consideration of the dangers and risks involved. You do not have to look far to find tons of kiting accidents in your local scene, youtube and online forums, from careless and idiotic acts, mostly due to people not having proper professional tuition in the first place. At the end of the day, if you want to save a few dollars and risk your own life and learn from non-qualified people, it is your own choice and your own liability.


quote:
Originally posted by Joe Lyon

Theres limited high risk! If you undergo good quality instruction it reduces that risk(i agree). IKO is not the be all and end all of instruction. For Gods sake 'it aint brain surgery'

Please tell me Padi, prior to the LORD apearing to you in a vision and imparting his great knowledge upon yourself re: IKO,what insurance did most schools use?


Yours and like most others ran quite well without IKO. Whats changed?





Thank you for your response Padi

Please correct me if i am wrong but how does a school 'non' IKO employ instructors that are IKO accredited, correct me if i am wrong but i believed that only IKO instructors could could work for an affilated school. Please clarify.

And i disagree with the assumption that most accidents happen because of little training. It is a proven fact using the driving school industry that NO matter how much instruction that is given to people whilst learning,accidents between the ages of 18 to 25 has still climbed. Could one agree it comes down to attitude and common sense of the student?

In fact the research i have done , the majority of crashes were from experienced kiters,maybe complacent? would you agree?

Thank you for the discussion
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
1 Oct 2007 5:47pm
god damn it, i said the complacent bit to highlight that people forget how crap they are when they started and base their opinion of the sports degree of difficulty on how hard it is for them now.

if you think that IKO isnt worth the effort why dont you make your own organisation that is. Padis comment on not going through joe blogs is very fair as i could charge people for something they have no idea about and then when they realize they got a ****ty instructor its too late.
bjhjames
bjhjames
QLD
179 posts
QLD, 179 posts
1 Oct 2007 8:56pm
I believe the most common cause of fatalities in hang gliding is simply launching and forgetting to hook in. Complacency.
The most common injuries however, broken bones etc are during the bunny learning stage.
Ideally I would like to avoid both in learning to kitesurf!!

Happy to invest in lessons and if someone has taken the time to accreditation system even better. The problem with kids is everything is multiplied x 4! A weeks skiing is 8k not 2 for example, but absolutely worth it to see them learning new stuff and keeping me young.
Thanks again for the advise
Joe Lyon
Joe Lyon
QLD
28 posts
QLD, 28 posts
1 Oct 2007 9:05pm
quote:
Originally posted by kitecrazzzy

god damn it, i said the complacent bit to highlight that people forget how crap they are when they started and base their opinion of the sports degree of difficulty on how hard it is for them now.

if you think that IKO isnt worth the effort why dont you make your own organisation that is. Padis comment on not going through joe blogs is very fair as i could charge people for something they have no idea about and then when they realize they got a ****ty instructor its too late.



Fair comment! Believe me when i say that there are 2 prominent instructors that are considering an Australian equivalent to IKO,as we speak.

The point im trying to make is: Who was it, that deemed IKO the only system? You don't have to follow one particular system to be a competent teacher.

Would you also argue that anyone who graduates through our school system would never be illiterate,as opposed to home schooling which doesn't follow 'the system'

Sure IKO has qualities,but lets not be so narrow minded. And be honest to yourselves as instructors/proprietors of schools,do you only have IKO because of the savings on insurances?

Please offer responses
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
1 Oct 2007 9:07pm
IKO Instructors do not need to work for IKO Schools only. They can work independently. Every instructor is registered and listed at the IKO website (www.ikointl.com) and their rating can also be viewed by any public.

Not going to comment any further regarding training. Stated my views loud and clear. What is interesting however is neither myself nor Kurt knows who you are but you seem to know us and how we operate pretty well. We wonder what your real identity is. By the way, Kurt told me this arvo that he has never lent a board to anyone for more than a day so not sure where you got the info from that he lent a board to someone for more than 2 months lol.

quote:
Originally posted by Joe Lyon
Thank you for your response Padi

Please correct me if i am wrong but how does a school 'non' IKO employ instructors that are IKO accredited, correct me if i am wrong but i believed that only IKO instructors could could work for an affilated school. Please clarify.

And i disagree with the assumption that most accidents happen because of little training. It is a proven fact using the driving school industry that NO matter how much instruction that is given to people whilst learning,accidents between the ages of 18 to 25 has still climbed. Could one agree it comes down to attitude and common sense of the student?

In fact the research i have done , the majority of crashes were from experienced kiters,maybe complacent? would you agree?

Thank you for the discussion

Cptn Gdvibes
Cptn Gdvibes
71 posts
71 posts
1 Oct 2007 7:08pm
It's kinda like the ocean for boaties and fisho's, respect the awesome power that can be throw'n at you out of the blue.
Allways be fearfull of da kite
Respect da kite and yoo should B Allright.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
1 Oct 2007 7:44pm
quote:
Originally posted by bjhjames

But at lessons quoted of $200 + a 2 hour session, 4 of us learning, every family day of lessons is heading towards a grand a day! And that before I buy 4 kits, boards, harness which will cost me 15K+ to get the good gear etc





Hi Barry,
$15000 for kitesurfing gear......$1000 for kiting lessons.
Yikes.
These are big numbers, man.
The gurus and the shopguys must be licking their chops.
lol.
Maybe your family should stick to surfing.
It's simpler and less expensive......
but then the afternoon seabreeze kicks in and spoils ya fun.
Darn.

Of course,
funding three teenagers and your good self for the kite-life was never going to be a cheap venture.
No way.
To be realistic,
those big fat dollar figures need to be divided by 4.
Feel better now ?

But you can do it on a budget.
Unfortunately, you wasted your money on a stupid trainer kite.
But you can always sell it.

You see,
what you need is a mentor.
A mate who really knows his kitestuff.
A generous soul.

My advice is to hang out at the local spot and launch and land kites for the crew.
You'll be amazed at how friendly kiters are.
Once they get to know you, they will look after you like some rich uncle.
lol.
ltim
ltim
NSW
44 posts
NSW, 44 posts
2 Oct 2007 6:05pm
So many points here...

Given that you have some good intentions to get involved in the sport with your family, you want t o avoid getting ripped off.

I agree that you should get lessons first, before buying gear...make sure you and your family still want to go kiting once you have had lessons.

Get to the stage of learning "self rescue" before considering what to buy, then go on a make purchases once you know for sure that everyone is keen and you can figure out what gear can be shared etc.

Do a deal with the shop, ask that the cost of lessons be discounted off the price of gear if you decide to go ahead with purchasing a certain amount of gear.

If you decide not to go ahead you pay for lessons only...

Good luck
bjhjames
bjhjames
QLD
179 posts
QLD, 179 posts
2 Oct 2007 9:13pm
All good advice except for my circumstance have to say the trainer kite has not been a wasted $330.
Given the kids a lot of confidence & respect of the power and understanding of the wind windows.
Besides it has been great entertainment, only thing I wish is a I had spent a bit more and got one which has a inflatable LE as they now are having a ball doing down winders on boogy boards in 20 knots +then having to drain it out when they do crash it.
But agree if you have any windsurf, or even minimal kite flying previous experience they are of limited value in the learning process.
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