Have a look before you turn and jump!!!!!!

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DuncanB
DuncanB
WA
19 posts
WA, 19 posts
8 Feb 2007 10:04pm
Fellow W.A kiters as safety is the number one issuse for us all and as the sport is becoming more and more popular and crowded in certain areas I think it is very important that people have a f#*#*n look before they turn or boost to see if somebody is behind or sailing just downwind of them. The last thing you want to experience is getting tangled up with someone in 25knts and both your kites start to power up or someone boosts through your lines it aint very pleasant situation to find yourself in thanks to some tool who does not look. Increasingly I find people just don't look and it's starting to piss me and other kiters off so please look then turn or boost.
myes myes
myes myes
WA
223 posts
WA, 223 posts
8 Feb 2007 10:49pm
yes i agree, another thing that is kind of related, if you are coming towards the shore and there is someone directly infont of you, can people PLEASE jibe about 30+ m away from the shore as i ( and seen it happen to plenty of other people) almost got ran into the beach 3 times yesterday.
cheers
iti
iti
QLD
417 posts
iti iti
QLD, 417 posts
9 Feb 2007 12:08am
yes & to the guy at woodies with the bandana on your head dont hogg the zone near the shore , you have been spoken to afair bit lattley about this
by at least four different people, be respect full & share
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
8 Feb 2007 11:33pm
Duncan, youre not supposed to be that close behind someone else. If you catch up to someone and are within one kite-line length youre too close and its up to you to turn around or slow down. Yeah people should look but people shouldnt be tailgating. It pisses me off when you cant turn around or jump because someone is sitting 20m behind you slightly downwind. After giving 2 turn around hand signals I turn cause the guy shouldnt be there in the first place and Im not going to be dictated how far I go out OR worse having to go withing 30m of the shore to turn. STOP TAILGATING
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
9 Feb 2007 1:17am
Hey Duncan did you still want those directions to Wedge? I pmd you twice already.

And yeah, tailgating isn't cool. But nor is jumping when you're being tailgated. If this were the car accident I saw on the way to work the other day and the dispute ended up in court, the court would have ruled that both persons shared the blame. I'd say that most of the blame would have been apportioned to the tailgating party, based on the info provided so far, but still 10 or 20% to the person boosting.

I personally choose to keep an awareness of every kiter around me, be they in front or behind, and kite accordingly.

Where did this happen? Scarbs? My mental picture of what you describe fits neatly with what I saw there this afternoon between an orange and a black kite. I'd definitely call shared blame on that one, but I'll keep the proportions to myself.
eightfootplus
eightfootplus
NSW
298 posts
NSW, 298 posts
9 Feb 2007 2:47am
Yeah tail gaters piss me off, either you can out point me or speed up bear away and out run me, otherwise fu@k off, your just in the way.

Bad form.

Bo
Bo
WA
192 posts
Bo Bo
WA, 192 posts
9 Feb 2007 2:13am
quote:
Originally posted by DuncanB

Increasingly I find people just don't look and it's starting to piss me and other kiters off so please look then turn or boost.


Uhm sorry, very strange attitude, the right to tailgate? Why would you happen to be riding in someone's blind spot? Go upwind or turn around! For goodness sake, spread out a bit, it's a big ocean.

Bo
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
9 Feb 2007 10:49am
quote:
Originally posted by dave......

Duncan, youre not supposed to be that close behind someone else. If you catch up to someone and are within one kite-line length youre too close and its up to you to turn around or slow down. Yeah people should look but people shouldnt be tailgating. It pisses me off when you cant turn around or jump because someone is sitting 20m behind you slightly downwind. After giving 2 turn around hand signals I turn cause the guy shouldnt be there in the first place and Im not going to be dictated how far I go out OR worse having to go withing 30m of the shore to turn. STOP TAILGATING



I don't understand this? Where are you riding and where is the other person? Is the person catching up to you downwind or upwind of up? of you? Anyway.. My opinion is that you have FULL responsability in that situation. If you are turning or boosting it's up to you to look over your shoulds and see so there's noone around. Not the person catching up to you. And that's just bull**** that you can't turn if someone is close to you, speed up, downloop och something. Bad complaint...
jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
9 Feb 2007 12:51pm
when you turn, GYBE, ie turn DOWNWIND and carve around.

don't just stop going one direction and start going the opposite direction on the same line

if you don't have room to do this, your too close to the beach
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
WA, 1450 posts
9 Feb 2007 1:21pm
quote:
Originally posted by jan

when you turn, GYBE, ie turn DOWNWIND and carve around.

don't just stop going one direction and start going the opposite direction on the same line

if you don't have room to do this, your too close to the beach



dont do this at woodies or you will collect someone comming in downwind of you to do their move.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
9 Feb 2007 1:52pm
Hi guys,

The trick is just to look around you and have a little respect for other riders before executing any kind of course alteration whether it be a jump or a carve.

If you're not quite sure you can make it, or there is a slight element of doubt, just don't do it . Self centredness in kiteboarding leads to collisions and a negetive vibe. Karma's a bitch too! [}:)]

Good winds,

GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
9 Feb 2007 2:55pm
Well what I saw at Scarbs yesterday arvo was the tailgater was probably just over a line length behind and downwind chasing the other rider into the beach. Probably would have been enough room if the guy in front didn't pop a big floaty boost transition about when he got to the break.

But this may not have been the incident at all, I just remember noticing it because of how close he ended up to the tailgater when he landed.
Caelah
Caelah
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
9 Feb 2007 2:29pm
This happens a lot in Sydney too..

* Kiters riding the same tack....the person turning doesn't look before executing the move, the person behind doesn't think that "Oh I should turn before this guy does or else we will get tangled" and it takes quick thinking to avoid.
I've see three people riding on the same tack and neither of the two following turned so the person about to turn had to stop and walk onto the beach to avoid a situation.

* Kiters generally not looking before they do something

* Jumping with enough clearance on take off but the wind takes you further than anticipated and you land right into someones path and they have to make a quick diversion move

* Turning / doing tricks less than 30m from shore. I've even witnessed several kiters turning less than 5-10m from swimmers - they have a right to swim in a safe area......I don't care if the water there is flat...that's why they're swimming there, so kite further downwind of them.

This is an EXTREME SPORT...it can KILL YOU & OTHERS.......so use your common sense before something happens.

For goodness sake be adult enough to approach someone and have a polite friendly conversation with the guilty party if you see them doing such things on the beach.
robbo
robbo
WA
306 posts
WA, 306 posts
9 Feb 2007 2:38pm
the maritime rules are:
if you are behind someone and you are overtaking, then the person in front has full right of way and you should give them clearance at all times.

in reality, tailgaters do not overtake, they just sit there.

to the tailgaters:

get some more upwind reach, and slow down to give the person in front some space, or turn around - you arent going to go downwind so im not even going to bother mentioning it.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
9 Feb 2007 5:42pm

Use common sense, It gets crowded these days and there is not always room to do what you want. dont boost when people are behind even behind and 50-80m downwind particularly when riding bow kites, i have seen several people carry a lot lot further than they expected. If you are riding a C kite and boost that far you are probably looping and as such have enough experience to know how much room you need. new bow kite users are often caught out by the hang time.

Tailgaters- turn early, change tack and importantly do not keep pushing people towards the beach, pier or groyne . you are forcing the person in front into a dangerous position if they are forced to turn and your lines tangle together in 25knt+ then the kites power up you can be in big **** Once this happens once i guarantee you will never want to do it again ( never mind the fact they other person will probably punch your lights out back on the beach ) and rightly so .

how did this post start

ahh... " common sense "
DuncanB
DuncanB
WA
19 posts
WA, 19 posts
9 Feb 2007 8:13pm
You guys are missing my point I'm not talking about tail gateing nor did I even mention tailgateing in my original message and I'm well aware what that is and dont participate in that action. I've been kiting for a very long time and all Im saying is that if your heading out and someone is in front of you with distance by catching up to them or there drifting down wind and want to turn or boost all you have to do is look around or give a signal and we get the message so the other person can turn and get out of there. You can not tell me that this has never happened to any of you guys. It's all about saftey and enjoying this great sport that we do.
DaveSpruce
DaveSpruce
WA
568 posts
WA, 568 posts
9 Feb 2007 10:33pm
Signals suck... it's easy someone misenterprets them... Had that many times when you do a "signal" to someone and they do the direct opposite of what you wanted them to do... Just get all the kooks of the water.. problem solved
RayQ
RayQ
WA
638 posts
WA, 638 posts
9 Feb 2007 11:02pm
Kiting used to be cool, we used to look out for each other, not drive people up the beach, give the guy in front room to move, turn around to give some space, and put the kite down if your crossing downwind. Its a lot easier to learn these days, but most new kiters dont know how to kite.
Unfortunatly I too dont kite the way I should any more cause these dicks wont learn any other way, than to be confronted by a kite turning around real quick in their direction, uncool but effective.

Ill claim that schooling has failed, no behavior beeing tought I presume.
Also kiting at a beach where not every one knows your face, and you cop it from the lokal hero, never used to happen, we would greet new kiters at our lokal spot.

I guess this is a sign of the times, and theres no way back as more and more people get into the sport.
I never thought Id say this , but maybe its soon time for some sort licence and test, insurance on my behalf wont save my ass from a dill

Ray
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
VIC, 772 posts
10 Feb 2007 1:40am
I agree, being new to the sport, a read heaps of horror stories, and heaps of instructional 'keep safe' stuff, and think that i have been safe. At least i have seen near misses but never been involved. Might be a little luck there, but i'm fairly cautious by nature, i like solid progression.

So, i for one would welcome a licencing arrangement, token cost, could be included in the membership of KBV or AKSA or the local group.

My 2 cents... and three dots
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