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magilla
magilla
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2 Feb 2007 12:08pm
I apologize if this topic has been hashed out before but I could not be fagged going back through all the goof and believe it is important.

I was wondering if any one has stories of kite crashes whilst wearing a helmet or not.

Did the helmet help or are they likend to seat belts in cars (I believe they save lives).

After watching lessons it is my opinion that all beginers having a lesson should be made wear a helmet.

Is wearing helmets becoming more popular or not?
Are we still supposed to wear boardies on the outside of our wetties?
Sorry just threw that one in, I still want to be cool and not mocked.

Anyway looking good for the great south coast today(15-20 SE Late Arvo) so I am going to wash my orange boardies and dust off my full face hockey helmet.



manicskier
manicskier
VIC
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2 Feb 2007 12:16pm
Not about helmets, but apparently in Vic it is law to wear a PFD whilst kiting on the water, its even meant be be a PFD type 1 (including neck support). I don't see anyone wearing one, except me in my illegal PFD type 3, which happens to provide good impact protection. I'll have to get a helmet soon.

Doesn't answer your question at all.

Sorry
cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
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2 Feb 2007 10:23am
Its debatable really, (mostly by neurologists and brain surgeons) your brain floats around on some kind of jelly and when you impact hard with your head then the brain can hit the side walls and become bruised and swollen which results in a form of injury such as concussion or worse, wearing a helmet might help reduce this but then might make it worse as well because more surface area around the head means a greater release of (kinetic) energy. Wearing one is probably better than not though because of hard objects like boards hitting you, not you hitting the board. Think hitting the water without a helmet which most of us do most times its probably best to go without a helmet (no scientific backup on that though) just less chance of neck injuries and less energy release resulting in less brainshakes.

I don’t wear one because it doesn’t look cool..lol.. But when I become a **** hot kite surfer I will start to because it won’t be what I am wearing that will stand out for the peanut gallery but the moves on the water As long as I haven’t suffered from brain damage by then
Caelah
Caelah
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
2 Feb 2007 10:27am
Hey Magilla,

A friend of mine was pulled by a gust kiting and slammed into the beach once. Thank god they were wearing a helmet because it saved their head....when we looked at the helmet it was severely cracked. They had to go to hospital to get checked for concussion and thankfully all was OK.

I personally don't understand people who go out with no protection and I often get told that I over react...which I probably do but I put a high value on my head and body staying intact whilst doing extreme sports and therefore don't go out without my helmet or my PFD. Protecting myself is far more important than how good I look to others.

lets just say I look "special" when I'm out there but I know if something happens I've done everything I can to look after myself with protective clothing.

Would you go out on a motorbike without a helmet or leathers? If you would then you're just plain stupid. Kiting is similar in the fact that you lots of people around you that you can never know what they're going to do, and you can smash as hard as if you were on a bike and do as much damage.

Nuf said!

gruezi
gruezi
WA
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2 Feb 2007 10:34am
Helmets restict visibility, hearing and give a false sense of personal safety.

The most dangerous people on the water seem to wear helmets. There are exceptions of course.

Helmets can keep you warm and protect you from the sun.

red
red
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2 Feb 2007 1:18pm
Being a poley and a paramedic I think the people who wear helmets are the ones that have got something to protect (brains) As for the old increased surface area could increase the chance of injury .. if you hit hard enough to do that kind of damage a helmet means nothing. Helmets are designed to stop hard things (boards, walls, rocks) smashing into your head..

My 2 cents..

Helmets are dorky but so is a brain injury - cue windsurf vs kiteboard insults about brains....just kidding
peanuticus
peanuticus
NSW
341 posts
NSW, 341 posts
2 Feb 2007 1:50pm
quote:
Originally posted by gruezi

Helmets restict visibility, hearing and give a false sense of personal safety.

Helmets can keep you warm and protect you from the sun.




Helmets do not restrict visablilty unless you've got it over your face (probably meant you smashed hard and probably needed it)

MOST helmets don't restrict hearing as they don't cover ears

A lot of helmets (the thin surfer type ones with no foam inside) are NOT meant for crash protection and more for board impact or reef rash when surfing, they are not strictly that safe and will not save your noggin if you hit something. The foam is there to compact and slow the decelration of your bonce and also disperce the impact point on the skull.

and Yes they are good for sun protection, they can keep you warm in colder weather, they probably keep long girly hair out the way and give a good atachment for cameras etc if you have them.

They can however be a pain in the butt with sunglasses, but you just gotta find a pair that suit.

p-nut
elmo
elmo
WA
8896 posts
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2 Feb 2007 12:13pm
I'm a big fan of helmets and always post on them having been saved a couple of times by them.

I think a lot of people make the common mistake regarding helmets that they only offer you protection from brain damage, some people would look at us and say it's to late anyway.

The real danger we face is from drowning, a helmet offers that extra bit of protection which when things go pear shaped may stop you being knocked out. We had a windsurfer last year come back to reality face down in the water with a lung full of brine, he was lucky not to end up as a newspaper article.

Wear a helmet if you got one, and yes seat belts also work.

Alby
func
func
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
2 Feb 2007 12:33pm
Having survived two serious brain injuries, I wear a helmet when kiting. Mine has silver metallic flames to mitigate the uncool part, and I love it. It's kevlar too, literally bulletproof in case I get in a firefight over right of way on the wave.

I think in the end, some people just value the contents of their skulls higher than others.
RedKite
RedKite
VIC
66 posts
VIC, 66 posts
2 Feb 2007 2:43pm
I wear one, because it protects me from the Sun
and keeps me warm in Melbourne's Winter.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
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2 Feb 2007 2:51pm
I don't wear a helmet because I'm yet to find one off the shelf that fits my abnormally large and ugly head. And I'm too lazy to look hard.

A lot of people I know do, and one of my friends credits her being alive today with wearing a helmet. This is how it went down: http://www.chrissie.co.za

Actually in re-reading that (first time in a couple of years) and thinking about Damien McKay, I might just renew the vigour of my search...
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
2 Feb 2007 4:19pm
i dont always wear a helmet because kitesurfing is more fun and natural without it. i feel free.
HOWEVER, when the wind is blowing hard, or im in a new spot, or im going to go for some new tricks, or big jumps, there is hard stuff downwind of me , or there is anything that makes me think there is something to worry about.
i wear my helmet.

a helmet most certainly can save your life.
but you're not invincible in it.

GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
2 Feb 2007 4:36pm
The big plus for helmets is protecting against sharp object trauma, which is what most of our gear (fins, boards, bars) become...

I don't like not being able to hear the wind with some helmets, but the open ear versions (like protec) dont have this problem.
Menace
Menace
NT
16 posts
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2 Feb 2007 4:10pm
I use one, they arent that much of a annoyance, the only bad thing about it that I could say is that it restricts my hearing (a gath basic one)

On the up side, its some measure of protection, blocks a fair bit of sunlight (sunburn protection) and I barely know its there.
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
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2 Feb 2007 5:47pm
I wear one. All the stories of people getting lofted or draged down the beach other people on the water kiting that lose control and hit you. Not worth it i know my brain isn't the sharpest one around but it doesn't need to be any duller.
magilla
magilla
VIC
60 posts
VIC, 60 posts
2 Feb 2007 5:50pm
quote:
Not about helmets, but apparently in Vic it is law to wear a PFD whilst kiting on the water, its even meant be be a PFD type 1 (including neck support). I don't see anyone wearing one, except me in my illegal PFD type 3, which happens to provide good impact protection. I'll have to get a helmet soon.


The loop hole in this is law is if you are within 400meters of the shoreline and wearing a wetsuit you are exempt. This has come straight from Marine Safety Victoria and the Water Police.

The male I spoke to at Marine Safety Victoria said statistically speaking most kiteing accidents happen on shore.

I now where a brain bucket as I was a part of Damien McKay Memorial event. It was compulsary to wear a helmet and it did not seem to effect my kiteing ability. The helmet had no ear covers.

puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
2 Feb 2007 4:11pm
quote:
Originally posted by magilla
.... it did not seem to effect my kiteing ability.


and the loop hole in that law is:
'you need to have some for it to be effected'
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
2 Feb 2007 4:27pm
Yep I wear a Gath (there are some better options out there these days) and a vest.

Sure I look like a bit of a kook but better kooky than dead I reckon. Fashion has never been my forte anyhoo. *see foot note*

I am a sound guy (no not sound of mind - sound engineer) and a bonus of the Gath is being able to stop water gushing into the tools of trade (ears). Last night I mis-timed a run at a wave and caught the impact as it pitched - bamm OUCH!! - side on and no blown eardrum. . I have also been whacked by my bar on the helmet heaps of times and have thougt go, go Gathy every time!

The downside is not hearing others clearly and I find you feel a bit 'divorced' from the wind direction - especially if you have a wetty on. Weird I know.

Upside is of course live to ride. Oh and it used to keep my hair outa my mush and eyes. Very handy indeed.

Go the helmet so you can go harder I say.


PS I am currently sporting a 'forgotten member of Wolfmother' hairdo. A bogun at Flozzer trying to impress his mates last night asked me "Hey mate where did ya get ya haircut? nerf nerf nerf" response "Somewhere cut-price obviously" Bogun looks at mate for some kind of explanation "erm righto"
magilla
magilla
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60 posts
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2 Feb 2007 7:20pm
quote:
'you need to have some for it to be effected'



This from the old fart who moves away when the water gets to cold.

Who is the Puppet Master???
Are you just a floppy, stuffed, replica of a man on a string???

Hope all is going well old man and will call ya soon.

Until then my ability will continue to grow until it matches my ambition.
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
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2 Feb 2007 8:09pm
Hey thanks magilla, didn't know that. I'll still wear the vest though, helped me the other day when I snapped a line in a hot launch, floated back in for 20 mins.

Also, getfunky, are those helmets good for ear protection, after just busting mine, I dont think I want to do it again, can't sneeze, can't blow my nose, can't clear the passages at all, can't bloody kite surf.

Waaaaahhhh
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
2 Feb 2007 7:27pm
Yep,
the original Gaths have a little rotating panel over the ear holes. It is definately a trade off as to hearing what's going on but for me it's essential.

Recording and music are the only things that eclipse kiting for me. Hey kiting doesn't pay my bills either - and there is zero chance I am ever going to be sponsored! LOL

Man a blow ear drum is mega pain.

Oh just to be an old granny for those at the BDO get a pair of $35 EAR "Hi Fi" earplugs. Really good protection and very good sound quality - better than my $200 custom git plugs.

Nighty night kiddies.
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
2 Feb 2007 8:44pm
I wear a gath all the time, mainly because I'm short-sighted and it is a foolproof way of keeping the (prescription) sunnies in place even through the biggest crashes.
If you look at the recent thread on pterigia on the eyes, and the pain involved in having them removed, then you could make an argument that saving your eyes is the best job the helmet is doing.
Also wear it while surfing and it has saved me from at least 3 knocks to the head from other people's boards on crowded days.
Essential equipment I reckon!
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
2 Feb 2007 8:43pm
quote:
Originally posted by magilla
Are you just a floppy, stuffed, replica of a man on a string???


DOH Guess so ..... OH WOE is me.
Actually I do feel that way at times but its just cos of all the wind we have to cope with over here its tough keeping up I tell you.
(& where the waters warm too )

quote:
Originally posted by magilla
Until then my ability will continue to grow until it matches my ambition.


NICE - thems brave & bold words magilla
- but if anyone is up for it you are - no doubt about it.
I'll be back to check your progress when your waters even colder
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
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3 Feb 2007 11:30am
Hey guys and girls,

All three of the guys on the Intermediate Riders Clinic, Downwinder from Lano to Wedge yesterday were asked to wear a helmet for communications purposes as I followed on the beach calling out instruction and information.

One of the guys whilst attempting a double back roll transition stuffed it up a bit and his board came off solidly wacking him in the back of the head. He came in smiling saying he had been hit in the head with the board but only new of this because of the sound of the thump and a mild knock, he felt no impact!

I believe helmets are a great idea for anyone who chooses to wear them. A quality helmet definately offers better protection for impact, sun exposure and cold.

All our students are made to wear them for both communication and impact resistance. The Headzone helmets are designed to take an impact, not so the Gath which are only bump hats for fin chops and reef encounters.

Good winds,



Oh and Gruezi, if the helmet is restricting your vision, you have it on backwards
Uber
Uber
NSW
482 posts
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3 Feb 2007 1:36pm
Helmets are the best! I use a protec! It doesnt hurt so much when you smash into the water head first after doing a trick gone bad. Or when your board flies off and smacks you or someone elses or when you loft onto hard sand and smack your melon.

I dont care if I look dorky. I like my brain how it is all nice and cosy under my skull.

Wear a helmet its good for you!
manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
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3 Feb 2007 1:40pm
What does 'communciation purposes' mean, did they have a radio or somehting in there, or was it so you could identify them from the shore??

Also, do the Headzone helmets also offer good ear protection. I'm paranoid after just busting my eardrum. A couple of weeks and i'll be back.

Thanks
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
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3 Feb 2007 12:02pm
Hi Manicskier,

The Headzone helmets we use do indeed have radio receivers inbuilt into the back of the helmets which allow us communication with the student. The whole electrical section is sealed along with the battery pack and is activated by use of rare earth magnetic keys to adjust channel, volume and assorted other functions.

We get around 1.5km clear signal and output in the helmets is clear and in both ears. They afford reasonable impact protection and are light and close fitting as well as covering the ears. See www.kiteboardingschool.com.au/equipment.htm for pictures and greater description of our helmets and radios.

They're too expensive to buy as a normal bump helmet for general use if you aren't going to utilize the radio function.

Pro limits make a decent impact helmet in a range of styles and sizes to suit every taste. Headzone stuff is almost purely for coaching purposes.

Good winds,

manicskier
manicskier
VIC
772 posts
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3 Feb 2007 2:07pm
When I'm rich, it'd be a nice to have, chat with your buddies on shore while kiting, but that is unlikley to happen. Oh well.

Thanks
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
3 Feb 2007 1:27pm
Hey not bad,
looks to have better bump protection than the Gath. Around the same price too. I hadn't seen these with the ear inserts before and they are definately lesser on the naff lookin scale.

I'll still look like a dork though but maybe 10-15% less.

Might be grabbing one of these next year and retiring the Gathy to my newby mate. If he continues, as he is a renowned wuss

Milkshakes and smoothies are much nicer in a tall glass than in a noggin!

Safe winds to all the felow dorks and dorkets out there
silviu
silviu
VIC
663 posts
VIC, 663 posts
3 Feb 2007 7:21pm
This is amazing!
One year ago if I was bringing such a subject, I wuld be "shut down" immediatelly by a chorus of "disgrunteled people sayng that Helmets anr PFD/impact vesta are gay, not necessary and make you look like Lord Vedar.
We came a long way, and I am pleased.
I am using helmet and PFD/impact vest from the day one (seven years ago, gee the time flys).
They helped me in several occasions so, the helmets and PFD/impact vests ARE GOOD.
doppelganger
doppelganger
VIC
337 posts
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3 Feb 2007 11:51pm
I don't wear a helmet, but it is in the car at all times, should certian weather or location circumstances require it.

I dont know if anyone picked it up, but scroll back to cRAZY cunuk's post, look at his avatar and then read the first line in his post,"cracked me up"
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