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How did it happen? Crossed lines.

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Created by JoliFou A week ago, 8 Aug 2017
JoliFou
4 posts
8 Aug 2017 8:42AM
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I am hoping someone may have some insight on my recent experience. I was kiting on an Ozone Rio, 8m. Was perfect at the start of the session but then the wind dropped and became very gusty. The chop was big and I was popping off the waves and ended up having a huge wipeout being pulled downwind. I can't really remember what happened but I lost hold of my bar and my lines were slack. The kite was in the water and was relaunching and diving by itself. Once I got back in control I relaunched the kite and the right steering line was twisted around the two centre lines. The left steering line was perfect with no twists. I was able to fly the kite on the left hand side of the window but if I tried to take it across to the right it became uncontrollable. Does anyone have any idea how one can get a twist in just one side and if it is possible to correct it without having to come back to shore?

Plummet
3878 posts
8 Aug 2017 8:51AM
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The kite inverted on its self through the lines. either as it fell out of the sky or in the wave

shi thouse
WA, 595 posts
8 Aug 2017 8:52AM
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You inverted your kite.

Sometimes you can rectify the situation by punching out prior to the invert and thus preventing this from happening.

If this does happen, don't stress as the kite can be flown back to shore no problems so that you can reset your lines.

JoliFou
4 posts
8 Aug 2017 9:05AM
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Thanks for the response, if the kite inverted would it not have both the steering lines twisted around the centre lines? Mine was only twisted on one side and I can't work out what the process would have been to cause that. I understand the concept of an inverted kite but am confused by the twist in just one of the steering lines?

Kit3kat
QLD, 96 posts
8 Aug 2017 11:22AM
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the kite can only invert into one of your steering lines. As long as the other one stays clear of the "inversion" it won't get twisted.

cbulota
WA, 1038 posts
8 Aug 2017 9:24AM
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Hi Jolifou,

Kites don't always invert ''symmetrically''. you simply had an ''asymmetrical'' inversion where your kite ended up being sideways and only one of your back line crossed around the front lines as in the screenshots below:




Hope this makes sense

Christian

Kajo
NSW, 312 posts
8 Aug 2017 11:58AM
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Yes it's a kite inversion as others said. Happens commonly with beginners, much rarer later on because typically when you're more experienced the lines don't ever really get slack which is the precursor to a kite inversion.

You can fly the kite safely back to shore to fix the lines, but the kite will fly differently. In your case because one of the back lines is now effectively shortened as it is wrapped around the front lines. You simply have to adjust for this by pulling the bar on the opposite side (the free side) in order to prevent the kite from dropping into the water.

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 538 posts
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8 Aug 2017 12:26PM
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I've done this one myself quite recently in a southerly this winter. Can happen to anyone, came off going over a pitching overhead wave heading back out, let go of the bar as I crashed into the water, wind was side off and a bit gusty, kite fell and rolled through one of my steering lines. Relaunched fine and due to the number of kiters and offshore direction I had to head out to sea in order to get back to the beach to sort out the lines.
You can definitely steer the kite, but obviously, one way is dodgy as that steering line is a bit tight. If the kite feels like it will be hard to steer on the dodgy side pull the trimmer in a bit this will give some slack on the rear lines and make it easier to steer in the dodgy direction.

Alysum
NSW, 233 posts
8 Aug 2017 1:36PM
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Happened to me several times and I managed to get back to shore.

Once the kite double self-inverted but I didn't dare try relaunch it. What happens in this case ?

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 538 posts
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8 Aug 2017 3:05PM
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Alysum said..
Happened to me several times and I managed to get back to shore.

Once the kite double self-inverted but I didn't dare try relaunch it. What happens in this case ?


I've had that happen too! I'm not a complete klutz, but I kite in waves all the times and sometimes sh1t does happen. You can definitely still steer the kite with 2 roll throughs, if its 2 on each side. Kite will relaunch like normal, steering will feel a bit heavy, but it will steers fine and you can easily got back to shore, then self land as usual using the flag out line.
If you managed to get one steering line wrapped around your front lines, you would not really know until it relaunched, you would need to depower a bit to give the rear line a bit of slack and I think you could still steer it and get back to shore.

The lines are rubbing, but they are rubbing at small angles to each other and not creating a lot of tension on one very small area, and provided you do not kite around for hours you will not get any damage to your lines from this sort of incident.

Kajo
NSW, 312 posts
8 Aug 2017 3:18PM
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I remember watching a good video about how you can fix the inversion by pulling the safety in the water and resetting it. I can't find it for the life of me. Can anyone help?
It was from the mob over in WA afaicr.

JoliFou
4 posts
8 Aug 2017 1:20PM
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Thanks very much for all the comments! I have had a symmetrical inverted kite before but had never experienced the asymmetrical inversion and was not sure what had happened. I was kiting off Namotu Island in Fiji and was rescued by a friend in a dingy but I would have had enough control to have been able to make it back to the Island. I had lost my board upwind and that became my priority so boat rescue seemed the quickest way to get searching for my board, which thankfully I found ??

JoliFou
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8 Aug 2017 1:26PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..
I've done this one myself quite recently in a southerly this winter. Can happen to anyone, came off going over a pitching overhead wave heading back out, let go of the bar as I crashed into the water, wind was side off and a bit gusty, kite fell and rolled through one of my steering lines. Relaunched fine and due to the number of kiters and offshore direction I had to head out to sea in order to get back to the beach to sort out the lines.
You can definitely steer the kite, but obviously, one way is dodgy as that steering line is a bit tight. If the kite feels like it will be hard to steer on the dodgy side pull the trimmer in a bit this will give some slack on the rear lines and make it easier to steer in the dodgy direction.


Would you body drag to find the board using the "pull the trimmer" technique or is it better to get in, fix lines and then go searching?

Kajo
NSW, 312 posts
8 Aug 2017 3:37PM
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JoliFou said..


Ozone Kites Aus said..
I've done this one myself quite recently in a southerly this winter. Can happen to anyone, came off going over a pitching overhead wave heading back out, let go of the bar as I crashed into the water, wind was side off and a bit gusty, kite fell and rolled through one of my steering lines. Relaunched fine and due to the number of kiters and offshore direction I had to head out to sea in order to get back to the beach to sort out the lines.
You can definitely steer the kite, but obviously, one way is dodgy as that steering line is a bit tight. If the kite feels like it will be hard to steer on the dodgy side pull the trimmer in a bit this will give some slack on the rear lines and make it easier to steer in the dodgy direction.




Would you body drag to find the board using the "pull the trimmer" technique or is it better to get in, fix lines and then go searching?



Without a doubt I would body drag back to my board straight away. As has been discussed it's perfectly safe to control the kite with crossed lines as it pretty much behaves as normal (except more pull required).

Your board may be long gone in an outgoing tide, or rip by the time you body drag in, fix your lines, body drag out to look for your board.

Btw. always a good idea to put your phone number on your board with permanent marker. It's very easy to lose your board as a beginner.

theDoctor
NSW, 4179 posts
8 Aug 2017 5:29PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..
....came off going over a pitching overhead wave.....


So what you're saying is....
It was 2foot

cauncy
WA, 5261 posts
8 Aug 2017 3:37PM
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theDoctor said..

Ozone Kites Aus said..
....came off going over a pitching overhead wave.....



So what you're saying is....
It was 2foot


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