Going against murphy’s laws advice about not arguing with an idiot as others may not know the difference I will try my best not to be mistaken.

Shouldn’t the topic read how silly is too silly, what’s exactly the point of this thread is it meant to be a dick sizing contest or a bow versus c kite debate, you see your mentality might as well mean lets all go fly 2 line kites because 4 lines are too "safe(r)", ultimately dude its the way YOU wish to ride and its the consequences of how you wish to ride that maters, not to me or anyone else apart from people that may care for you over any injuries you could sustain from going too hard.

I don’t get why anyone would bother to post on a forum anything judgmental of someone’s kite preference its kind of like what some 15 year old might do to seek attention. Hm... hang on, there was some mention about the peanut gallery before....

Just in case you don’t get it, here’s an example, a safe gay bow kiter takes out a 9 meter bow kite in 30 to 3? knots were depower is just a gimmick , walking up the beach with the kite in the air isn’t even possible in fact walking up the beach with the kite and board in your hands is having to walk at a 45 degree angle into the wind, now also take the several c kiters that come down the beach with oodles more experience in the waves and launch their smallest kite. 10 meter c kites - to your mind set a c kiter is already living your interpretation of whatever seems to be your point. To someone else the answer may be to who’s actually going harder as in who is trying the tricks, jumps, and staying out the longest in such intense conditions?

To me it’s neither, to me it is who is having the most fun, the c kiter or the bow kiter it doesn’t matter. If the c kiters comes in and pack up after ten mins of ridding then obviously they weren’t having fun, if the bow kiter stays out for a couple of hours until a major spanking and a mild concussions comes about they didnt end up having that much fun either. So ultimately it’s about safety and being safe than sore is fun.

Just for the record this wasn’t a hypothetical either.

As for statistics, how many broken ribs, twisted ankles or concussions have come from fishing compared to kiting i would guess less with fishing.

what ya reckon happend to the poor fella rear line snap?
go hard have fun be safe

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Originally posted by waveslave

How safe is too safe ?

Having dual airbags fitted on the bar and in your harness and board.
Snap, crackle and pop.

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breast inplants?

I still fail to see why people see such a bad thing in bows/sle's/flat kites. Sedans are way more user friendly than F1 cars, AbS makes stopping better, DSC means that drivers can corner faster and more safely. Like bow kites, they are not idiot proof, you can still kill yourself in one, but its safer and for the average person, that is actually a good thing. It doesn't change the fact that most people still need to do their drivers license though.

In golf most people don't use blades because they are not consistent enough to take advantage of the timing, graphite shafts give people longer distances, and controlling the twist of shafts means that they are straighter as well. Technology will always make things easier for the masses to achieve for the average person.

There were similar complaints in the photgraphy industry about auto focus on cameras, and now days its a norm and the modern cameras processors which have the ability to track the subject while its moving to make sure focus is on the correct object. In the past, the amount of skill required to get action shots were amazing, now days, its simply pro lenses, a pro camera and being lucky enough to get the shot at the right time (and with 9 frames a second on modern cameras, and they are talking about 200f/s being a possibility, that almost kills luck as well). The reality is having good equipment hasn't change the amount of work requried to take a pro shot, the level of pro shot has increased with the quality of cameras so although average photographers are creating amazing shots, the pros are creating shots which are that much better. Thats all that will happen with kiting, the level of kiting will improve as riders take advantages of the benefits that new equipment offers. If kiteloops become easier, then double kiteloop handlepasses are the answer. Before you could win a comp with a slim chance, now you have to do switchstance slim chances to blind and you probably still won't win against the likes of Hadlow, and I'm will to bet it won't even get you close on best trick either.

Kiting is progression. Progression changes with technology. Those who get stuck in the past (like those who wouldn't put ABS in their cars) will be forced to catch up sooner or later.

mnn i dono wat ur all sooking about. i ride a airush flow bow kite and it hasn't changed the way i ride except for maybe allowing me to do unhooked moves more powered cause i know when i land i can sheet out and not get dragged over the beach cause of the onshore winds

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Originally posted by user

How safe is too safe?

Just read this. Never safe enough !

http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2333129&sid=535594ded92d71b142745e375d61f90c

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Out of interest sake, the pathology results showed he had a heart attack. Bad timing to be on a kite and a bow wouldn't have made any different.

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Originally posted by dan OK?

Awsome...
Right children what have we learned?

This is "an extreme sport" so those who want to be safe take it up.

Those that buy safer kites just go out in more wind or try something more extreme(unsafe). More chance of pulling a long named tricky means you dont a lot. Very dangerous! Cool!

Saffer is a smart guy
Bows may not be the future, Ide back hybrids. If thats the case then bows have failed and we're on our way back towards C type kites. Yay!

????? question marks look like hooks!

Cwamit doesnt like me

If i stuffed my knee playing football would I spend forever convincing my team mates not to go in hard? They know what they,re doing. Im not there mum. And if i did try to nanna them they'de tell me to sod off. Fair enough too!

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"C" kites are never going to "come back" !

"Hybrids" and "SLE" are just another name for: "We REALLY missed the boat on Bow kites,so lets morph into it.Call them by another name and pretend they are :better,different,the future. etc,etc.

Cant believe the desperados out there still slinging off at Bows,when its clear that the public and manufacturers know where the future lays.

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Originally posted by user


"C" kites are never going to "come back" !

"Hybrids" and "SLE" are just another name for: "We REALLY missed the boat on Bow kites, so lets morph into it. Call them by another name and pretend they are :better,different,the future. etc,etc.

Cant believe the desperados out there still slinging off at Bows,when its clear that the public and manufacturers know where the future lays.

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Don’t know if c kites never will come back, I mean look at flares their back... aren’t they? Please tell me they are.

Good point though about bows and hybrids , hats off to cabrinha and their marketing dept how smart are theses guys calling one of their bows the crossbow, brilliant marketing really, every time a hybrid kite is described as a cross between a bow and a c there’s subliminal marketing message and this year it’s the same just as the kite manufacturers started to catch on and change it from “cross” to the “hybrid kite is a c kite x bow kite design” the cabrinha dudes change it too.. Just fantastic really.

My prediction for next year kites will be as follows.

the rebel will have a few subtle changes most notable will be the rebel will be now known as the rebow in an attempt to cash in on some of that marketing subliminal messages. The 5th line Y connections will be changed into a fifth line W (please don’t be mistaking it with a messy bridle system) for easier relaunch

the airush flow wont change too much apart from the font and a few pulleys on the bridle to increase turning speed, the font will change so that the F and the L combine to look more like a B so while in the air it will read bow or to those that use the kite will call it affectionatey “the blow” because that’s what wind it will need to turn at any decent speed.

The link will be called sink because the kite still will over fly out of the wind zone and into the water.

The vanilla waroo (or known by kiters around a woroo as the worry0o) price will increase to the waroo pro price as the pro will be discontinued as they finally sell all the Cuban fiber left over from the hellfish, their will be a few subtle changes on this kite as well, Unfortunatly one of those changes wont be a one pump, it will be impossible to tell what the changes are until the best (pardon the pun) kite of this season is known and then copied - my punt is the waroo will “switch” to 6 pulleys on the bridle. And have some sort of pirate skull design on the canopy. (oh god is that like copy write piracy- f!ck I am funny).

edited: just for those that find it difficult to grasp the concept of sarcasm and taking the pi$$ - i am doing just that - about all the crap people go on about their particular kite, myself included (hence refrence to the switchblade). I realy do waste the good stuff on you guys

I think the Tribal of F.one is to safe because of the "stop and go" system!

Well personally the only thing I have got against bows is that the first bunch of them had lots of bugs that needed to be ironed out, inverts, bar pressure ect.

As soon as I sure that a bow kite will do everything my C can do and more they have my vote but personaly still prefer the C style.

What a load of Bow bashing rubbish!

The "bugs" were just beat ups on Forums by desperate people that in some misguided way ,thought that they could stem the overwhelming tide of change that will see Bows change the kiting World.

And when I say "Bows" I mean all the other kites that are for all intents and purposes "Bows",but have different marketing names like: "SLE" "Hybrid"

If you wait for the "Bugs" to be sorted out completely you will wait a LONG time !

Look at the bugs in a "C" kite.

Very limmited depower.

Really hard to relaunch.

Have to use large sizes.

These were all ironed out with the creation of the Bow.

I must admit to being a very average rider. Bows opened up a whole new World for me,and some of my friends. Great for waveriding,big jumps and gusty conditions.

I fully accept that some prefer a "C" ,but when I see them drop the kite,and struggle to relaunch,or use a 5th line (which I don't like)Or using a size bigger,I realise why I prefer a Bow.

Anyway,time is proving us "Gay,Girl,Homo" kite users to be right. Not only is every manufacturer promoting a Bowhybridsle kite,they will soon have limited availability.

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If your argument is valid cool, but play the ball!.And keep it fun!(fish!)

How safe it is safe?
By the end of the day it is personal!
Foer some, it does not matter: it is more important to "have the thrill" than whats happens after than.
But for most of us, by the end of a weekend on the water, on Monday, we have to be able to go back to our jobs and continue earning (to be able to buy new equipment, at least to keep Pete Cabrinah driving his luxury cars).
So, how safe it is safe?
Take your personal pick: it is your choice if you want to spend the rest of the summer on a hospital bed, dreamming of the "cool" move you just "mastered" before getting hurt, or doing the move over and over again, but safe!!!!

Hey Guys,

Where's the love that used to be on this forum?

After having considerable "C" kite, "bow" kite and now "Hybrid" kite experience, I reckon I can contribute a valid opinion.

The "C" kite is part of the evolution of kiting, it will be around for a couple more years in various forms. The bow kite was the extreme version of the bridled newer design, kinda like high A/R kites of 02/03, there was a competition to see how far it could be pushed (Naish X10 ). Then manufacturers started knocking out moderate aspect ratio kites which suited the masses, just the same as now most manufacturers are making a version on the SLE/hybrid, it suits the masses.

There are countless advantages to the hybrid style kites, they work well unhooked, they are better in the surf, they now freestyle well, they freeride beautifully, boost well and have bags of power and depower. Not to mention they are absolutely dead easy to ride and fun for all levels.

I recall most of last year getting down to Scarbs and talking to all the guys out on surfboards on their "C" kites and them all saying how gusty and crap it was, I would go out and have awesome sessions barely noticing the gusty conditions on the Halo. The Halo also opened up onshore surf riding conditions and riding upwind right handers which none of the "C" boys could do for being dragged off down the line behind their kite which wouldn't depower.

Our beginners in the school can usually ride upwind in three lessons now (and often in 2) and tend to be much safer, it is rare to see newbies kareening off downwind out of control on hybrids.

I think that criticising the hybrid design and saying they ain't all that is a little premature as the design is improving still in leaps and bounds.

Holding on to older technology is fine but you shouldn't be so insecure about your decision that you outwardly bag the new stuff, especially if you haven't given it a good run with an open mind. If you ride "C" and it suits your style, great ride and be happy. If you struggle with "cool" like some pro team riders who have recently recinded their "bows are gay" approach and exchanged it for "hybrids and bows" have "surf possibilities". LMAO

Whats gay today is cool tomorrow if you wait a couple of months. Ride what works for you and keep your non constructive comments to yourself. Nobody cares what you ride or why you ride it.

Good winds,

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Call it what you want, but how many people you know who would live to tell the tail of being hit by a 60 knot gust. Flat kites definitely have advantages.

http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2333205&sid=0c3d010262f571b27da0eb4c221459cf

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Guy with a safe kite gets spanked, ends up in hospital.Interesting!

To be fair I dont think it would matter what you had up in 60 knots

Do safe kites give newbies too much confidence in variable(dangerous) conditions?