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It doesn't matter how much sales banter these guys give, it doesn't change the fact that the IKO are now in Kitesurfing for the Money, not the growth of the sport.
You get put on the website and are sold that this will bring you more students as people looking into kitesurfing will look at the IKO site and see you.
what a crock, plus you only get all the bells and whistles if you buy their insurance and products.

The story i gave earlier was a very recent one, In March this year a certain instructor with the IKO was passed off as Level one, yet they couldn't even get up on the board.
This was done so a new school could be opened. despite that only a level 2 is qualified to run a school.

The IKO has been like this for a long while now, On the course i took there was myself and one other who were riding and staying up wind, whilst the others despite being on larger kites couldn't ride upwind yet let alone turn or jump, yet the whole course was passed.

On a Good note going forward with the BKSA Australia should really look at the program they run, not just for the teaching but how they help to protect the beaches and keep them accessible to the sport also the fact they help the up and coming riders to get into competition and internationally recognized where currently it depends on how much money your mum or dad has got in order to support you.

something for free from iko? there must be a catch. nothing for nothing from iko.

If a Kite Instructor has 20K Public Liability Insurance from a major australian insurance company and is unaffiliated with any scheme, does that make him an outlaw?

20 Mill sorry!

Or a Cowboy because he isn't in the scheme circle?

Typical response,
no dig at you Personally IKO Dave, but just like the IKO you pick and choose which comments you respond to, or not as the case may be.

i mention a major floor in the IKO training scheme and no response not even a PM asking for details, just goes to show, that truly the IKO is not dedicated to improving the system but more concerned with people leaving and trying to keep their sales up.

We have used the IKO guidelines and teaching methods for our school and club for a long time now. Most of our instructors have been IKO certified.
The IKO course has helped me and many others to have a better and safer understanding for teaching kiting.
However, in OZ we are already bombarded with regulations, permits and costly insurances to run a kiting school so it's understandable that school owners are not keen on paying extra $ to an organisation like IKO for no benefit. If fees and such would be paid to an organisation like AKSA, the Aussie kiting community would benefit from it.

Continuous learning occurs every time you teach somebody and there are a lot of variables that determine good instruction at your local spot.
Experience is the best teacher and Australia has a lot of very experienced instructors like Darren M, Joe Millen, Bretto, Ed, Matty P, Dave, etc, so it would be best to have an Australian system for teaching methods in place that is specific for Australia. I am pretty sure this will happen sooner or later.

For example, in Germany the VDWS license is mandatory and a great framework/license; in the UK the BKSA; and in France you have to do a university degree to teach kiting-

Why not have an Australian Org./Aksa to qualify kiteboarding instructors in OZ?
I dont think it would be too hard to come up with an Australian system under AKSA!

I believe that some resistance will rise against the BKSA in Australia the same way it does now against the IKO because it is not a Australian system/org. that has been developed by us specific for Australia!

Im interested to see how the BKSA methods differ from the IKO.

Sorry Laurie,
you cancel my long post were I wrote copy of e-mail but I was careful in deleting every single name and company except mine...
That posting really show and PROVE the way IKO works!
That is why in my opinion it was important to be posted...
Not like I said, he said, bla bla bla..
After reading this latest crap by IKO officials I would like to ask you to reconsider the cancellation...
If is not possible maybe you can send it back to me as it took me long time to put it down and I may post it as it is in other forums where the same thing is going on.
Bye Jankie

WE DAVID AND EVERYONE ELSE AT IKO IT HAS BEEN A HELL OF A RIDE BUT MY TIME WITH DEALING WITH YOU IS OVER. I FEEL SOMEWHAT LIKE A LOYAL DOG THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN A GOOD BEATING FOR NO REASON.

TO ALL THOSE CANDIDATES WHO BELIEVE THEY WERE RIPPED OFF WITH THE SUB STANDARD ITC KAMIL DID THERE IS NOT MUCH MORE I CAN DO FOR YOU. YOU WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE THE FIGHT ON YOUR OWN. I SUGGEST HITTING KITEFORUM.COM AND SEEBREEZE.COM TO VOICE YOUR OPINIONS.

MY TIME NEEDS TO BE SPENT ON MORE PRODUCTIVE PROJECTS.




IKO Confirmation of disassociation

To Mr Mike Allen

Your actions during your Pattaya ITC have lead to your suspension as ITC organizer,

KAMILS LIES LEAD TO MY SESPENSION AS AN ITC ORGANISER. I PROVED THEM TO BE LIES WITH PHOTOS AND OFFERED THE ITC CANDIDATES AS WITNESSES. I EVEN SHOWED HIS MOTIVATION FOR DISRUPTING THE ITC.

And your school had quality issues that triggered your center’s probation pending a compliance check.

I FLEW ED TEO FROM AUSTRALIA AT MY OWN EXPENSE TO TO A QUALITY CHECK AND YOU REFUSED TO ALLOW HIM TO DO IT

We provided many opportunities for you to respond appropriately and supply justification why the sanctions should be lifted.

I RESPONDED DAILY, EMAILS WERE NEVER REPLIED TO. PHONE CALLS WENT UN RETURNED

You failed to provide adequate proof or answer the questions raised about your school or explain your actions during the course you were hosting.

ON EVERY POINT I RESPONED WITH PHOTOS AND OFFERED EYE WHITNESS ACCOUNTS FROM THE CANDIDATES.

However it was your inexplicable actions and unprofessional conduct since then that has lead to your subsequent suspension as head instructor and instructor.

MY EXTREEM FRUSTRATION HAS CAUSED ME TO VENT MY ANGER. I OFFER NO APOLOGY FOR THIS. THE ONLY TIME I EVER GOT A PHONE CALL FROM YOU WAS AFTER I SENT IKO AN EMAIL TITLED
'WHAT THE F**K ARE YOU IDIOTS DOING AT IKO'
SEEMS STERN LANGUAGE IS THE ONLY THING YOU WILL RESPOND TO.

Even after all of that we still gave you the opportunity for redemption, pending a review from our Training Master, which scheduled for the end of January.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING RIGHT. I DONT UNDERSTAND. I SOLVED EVERYTHING AND OFFERED SOLUTIONS. I AM DONE WITH YOUR ORGANISATION. THIS WILL NEVER END UNLESS I END IT NOW.

However rather then wait for your opportunity to prove yourself during this review and compliance check, you have instead decided to seek permanent separation from the IKO. This is entirely your choice. Please note that your request for complete separation from the IKO is hereby granted, and that you should no longer associate your activities with the IKO network, name or logo. We ask you to refrain from any continued communication with the IKO or cease contact with the clients of the IKO.

DONE DEAL. I AM JUST WASTING MY TIME WITH THIS AND WANT TO GO ON TO HELP FORM AN ORGANISATION THAT IS FOR THE GOOD OF THE SPORT, NOT THE GOOD OF THE BOTTOM LINE.

Your sister school in Hua Hin has decided to remain an IKO school and continue to host ITC courses. We will continue to support them.

YOU CALL THAT SUPPORT? YOU MEAN HUA HIN WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT WITH IKO. SUPPORT HA HA. I AM LAUGHING SO HARD I HAVE TEARS IN MY EYES. DAVID, YOU ARE JUST TOO MUCH.

And deal with them directly. If you still have any unsatisfied clients from your ITC course they are welcome to contact IKO directly for ongoing support. Otherwise you should forward any enquiries to the Hua Hin center. Be advised that there will be a public announcement that you are now officially disassociated from the IKO network.

Regards,

IKO Training Committee
Eric Beaudonnat
Fred Bene
David Dorn

i agree and laurie i think all these post should be deleted mine and daves. he should not have made that post here however i have to answer it. he is going to get a call from a lawyer soon anyway if he does not remove it, so one way or another i think it will end up removed.

ok ikodave have removed my post as well and my lawyer will not be calling you. i will stop my email newsletters and i hope we can form a ceasefire. i wish we took care of this problem when it started. seriously this whole thig has caused me so much stress. this whole thing got blown out of proportion. why did you wait 3 weeks to call me?

AKSonline said...

Hey Guys,

It's great you have kissed and made up ..... well ..... sort of anyway. Perhaps the rest of your communications could happen behind the scenes instead of on this forum. Unless I'm grossly mistaken, it really isn't of that much interest to the masses.

Everybody wins! YAY!

DM

famous last words.

can we now focus on an Aussie/AKSA accreditation system for teaching in Australia?