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Fooosh
Fooosh
WA
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26 Jan 2007 2:08pm
I've just started kiteboarding!!! So:
1. Outta control a lot (despite lessons)
2. Spent a stackload of money on gear
3. Worried about a) Hurting someone else
b) Hurting myself - I'm the sole breadwinner and the family are already sacrificing enough to get me out on the water!!
c) Damaging the gear
d) Losing the gear (Board drifting off, Theft from home, beach, car, etc)
e) Having to be rescued

Does anyone out there have any insurance against all of 3 a) to e) or parts thereof (insurance speak!)?

I've checked out AKSA and IKO (see also previous post 'Damn Insurance').
AKSA: a) only, with high excess
IKO: a), b) Minimal payout if you die, min-med payout if you're injured, and e)

Does anyone have insurance cover for their gear in and out of the house under their home / contents policy?

Are there any other kitesurfing equipment policies out there?

Thanks!
havox
havox
WA
148 posts
WA, 148 posts
26 Jan 2007 2:37pm
hey dude

man in new zealand i know a couple of guys that actually took out insurance on their kiting gear, it is actually classed as boat insurance believe it or not the kite being the sale board the boat? i didnt take the insurance out myself but i know that they where covered if anything was ever stolen for any repairs needed or breakage even in the event of use. So it might b worth giving a couple of the insurance companies a call and seeing if it can go that way.. i might do the same myself
Fooosh
Fooosh
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30 Jan 2007 11:11pm
Thanks Havoc. I'll put another post on when I've managed to ask around a bit more or if anything comes up. Please do likewise.
lurch
lurch
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30 Jan 2007 11:34pm
Buy a t shirt and a texta and write on it...IAM RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN WELL BEING AND ALL MY GEAR AND IF IF I HURT SOMEONE OR MYSELF I AM AT FAULT...Then put it on...
For christ sake take responsibility for you own actions and learn the lifestyle. Dont bring insurance companies into your lack of learning.
Hurrah
Hurrah
NSW
382 posts
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31 Jan 2007 10:04am
I don't see how asking about insurance and taking into consideration your risks of injury is about not taking responsibility?

On the contrary he is taking responsibility but of a monetary kind. The insurance is to protect his gear/him and others should he injure or loose anything. Insurance after all is paying for peace of mind!

Some are just more forward thinking than others so don't write off their request for info as being irresponsible.

FYI in Australia (NSW) GIO house and contents for example has premium cover that covers you even in case of accidental damage to gear etc...This though has certain limitations so you will always need to check your PDS (Policy Documentation) for coverage and exclusions!

Regarding
1: Check your house and or contents insurance and you may already have legal liability up to 20 Million for damage etc.

2: Check your contents for premium cover options for accidental damage or loss even whilst being used. (May have exclusions on sporting equip ment)

3: See one or AKSA insurance

Regarding death and or injury, best to seek income protection and or life insurance as this is more specific.

For example, income protection is part of my salary package AND is tax deductable.

Good luck with your findings

echostorm
echostorm
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1245 posts
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31 Jan 2007 9:33am
quote:
Originally posted by lurch

Buy a t shirt and a texta and write on it...IAM RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN WELL BEING AND ALL MY GEAR AND IF IF I HURT SOMEONE OR MYSELF I AM AT FAULT...Then put it on...
For christ sake take responsibility for you own actions and learn the lifestyle. Dont bring insurance companies into your lack of learning.



Lurch the guy is learning and he is being responisble. He is looking out for his family other beach goers and has had lessons. Its you mate that are responsible for yourself being such a tosser on this forum. Geese-lousie give the guy a break.

Back to the topic,

I know you can get your gear covered against theft from your car with your home and contents insurance. Wouldnt life insurance cover yourself? and health insurance cover being rescued/medical bills? In Queensland being rescued is covered under ambulance which we pay with our rates, so its free... well kinda.

Good luck Fooosh!
silviu
silviu
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31 Jan 2007 11:33am
With all this said, I would recommend read the small printing on all your policies (house with public liability espacially).
They may have a statement that if you are involved in dangerous sporting activity eg rockclimbing, parasailing, skydiving, the policy may not cover.
Even life insurance policies will have something like that, and if you do not inform the insurer specifically what kind of sport you are involved, they may refuse to cover.
However if you want specifically to insure with the kitesurfing listed as one of the activities you are involved...than.... the premiums will sky rocket and there will be clear limmitations what are you goig to get back.
So, as much as, I would like to say, Lurch is not right, sorry guys, he is quite right, it is up to us to be responsible, look for the other and accept to be helped and help others.
jan
jan
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31 Jan 2007 12:20pm
there are a number of places that will help you with 3b via income protection plans. might cost u more when u tell them u are kitesurfing.
fences
fences
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31 Jan 2007 2:35pm
Lurch,

Unfortunately, this is what you get when the sport attracts balding, mid-life crisis, bow-flying, glove wearing, I-want-to-relive-my-youth-by-being-extreme-in-a-safe-way, old people.

Join AKSA Fooosh. It will protect members of the public and will be a voice for the kitesurfing community when the aforementioned kills an important member of society.

If you are still worried, this is not the sport for you.

Sorry to be mean but it is true.

Regards
Phil
robbo
robbo
WA
306 posts
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31 Jan 2007 2:57pm
@ silviu:

They will take your money from day one, but when it comes to a payout - you can forgetaboudit.
[}:)]
KiteDevil
KiteDevil
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31 Jan 2007 8:33pm
1) Don't fly upwind of anything but 9 miles of empty beach.
2) By the time you find an insurance company to do all that your gear will be worth around $200.
3.a)The only thing worth doing is joining AKSA.

3.b,c,d & e) Buy a massive floating sumo suit, matching motorbike helmet, automatic GPS board locating beacon, Epirb, 20L of water, and never hook in.

Farr Farrkks Sake...
Tvillegus
Tvillegus
QLD
98 posts
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31 Jan 2007 8:02pm
I suggest getting private health insurance. I'm regretting that i dont have it now. I need to go and get Arthroscopic hip surgery and at the moment, i am looking at a figure in excess of 6 grand. Something i cannot afford. If you are smart you will get some.
silviu
silviu
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663 posts
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31 Jan 2007 10:30pm
quote:
Originally posted by Tvillegus

I suggest getting private health insurance. I'm regretting that i dont have it now. I need to go and get Arthroscopic hip surgery and at the moment, i am looking at a figure in excess of 6 grand. Something i cannot afford. If you are smart you will get some.


This is the smartest think post on this thread!

Tvillegus, hope you will find a solution to your problem, I know the waiting list on the public system is terrible. Good luck
Tvillegus
Tvillegus
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98 posts
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1 Feb 2007 12:12am
Public health system? nah cant use it, my sports doc reckons that there are unly a handful of specialists in the country that can do the bloody surgery. Meh, thats life. I'll keep kiting till it stops being an elective surgery or i save the money.
doppelganger
doppelganger
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337 posts
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1 Feb 2007 1:48am
Posted by Lurch:Buy a t shirt and a texta and write on it...IAM RESPONSIBLE FOR MY OWN WELL BEING AND ALL MY GEAR AND IF IF I HURT SOMEONE OR MYSELF I AM AT FAULT...Then put it on...
For christ sake take responsibility for you own actions and learn the lifestyle. Dont bring insurance companies into your lack of learning.

Posted by: Fences:
Lurch,

Unfortunately, this is what you get when the sport attracts balding, mid-life crisis, bow-flying, glove wearing, I-want-to-relive-my-youth-by-being-extreme-in-a-safe-way, old people.

Join AKSA Fooosh. It will protect members of the public and will be a voice for the kitesurfing community when the aforementioned kills an important member of society.

If you are still worried, this is not the sport for you.

Sorry to be mean but it is true.

Regards
Phil


Posted by: kitedevil
1) Don't fly upwind of anything but 9 miles of empty beach.
2) By the time you find an insurance company to do all that your gear will be worth around $200.
3.a)The only thing worth doing is joining AKSA.

3.b,c,d & e) Buy a massive floating sumo suit, matching motorbike helmet, automatic GPS board locating beacon, Epirb, 20L of water, and never hook in.

Farr Farrkks Sake...





What a crock of Sh$t, A guy ask's a valid question and states: "I've just started kiteboarding!!" and ends the post with "thanks", and that's the best you can come up with, some bullsh$t, "A type male, macho man dribble".
poor relative
poor relative
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1 Feb 2007 12:31am
newk
newk
WA
14 posts
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1 Feb 2007 11:53am
Hi Fooosh,

I am new as well and I have had the same concerns you have for part 3. As some of the others might have mentioned insurance for part3a to c, my thots are for part d (lost drifting board) and e (having to be rescued).

For the possible lost drifting board especially when u can't spot it upside down and the board is black and the sun is low, have a look at this: http://www.oceanrodeo.com/gojoe.php
Too many have warned against leashes, so this may be something that might interest you.

As for having to be rescued, maybe get a PFD and an aquapac for the mobile.

Not sure if this is helpful but my 2cents.

dan OK?
dan OK?
VIC
253 posts
VIC, 253 posts
1 Feb 2007 2:29pm
Hey newk good find on that floaty thingy. Just think Ide rather watch my board float away than attach a floatie to it. I know "You shouldnt worry about what people say" and "as long as your having fun" and all that but, You have one go at life and when your gone people will remember you as "floaty board guy".

This ones free, could't ask for 2 cents
manicskier
manicskier
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772 posts
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1 Feb 2007 2:45pm
I got a floaty boardy thingy with my package. Never put it on, just learnt how body drag first. Didn't want to be the floaty board guy


Also, learning to board drag, which gets you upwind faster than you can standing up, helps learners to avoid so much walking and gives more time flying the kite one handed (cause the other is holding the board on edge)

Cheers
doppelganger
doppelganger
VIC
337 posts
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1 Feb 2007 3:03pm
RE:BOARD FLOATING AWAY.... One mistake that can lead to a board getting lost is the lack of "body dragging technique" and "the time factor".I ,like most, hell bent on getting on the board, skipped alot of the body dragging stage and had to re-learn latter, because I sucked at it, Practice, Practice ,Practice.

As soon as you become seperated from your board, start your body dragging, have a quick look to see if you can locate your board, but if it's not seen quickly , just start the body drag. Count 20 sec each way and keep at it, 99% of the time, it will appear.

If the underside of your board is a dark color, paint your fins flouro orange, sticks out like "dogs nuts".

Don't know about the floaty thing, what's next, "Air bag's"

steve
KiteDevil
KiteDevil
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778 posts
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1 Feb 2007 10:13pm
Doppledoodle:
The question was insurance, and insurance is nothing but crap. Go and spend $1000 a year on private health insurance and then the rest when you see the actual bill. Go for it. Get insurance on all your gear... go on do it. Yeehaa. Then go and claim it when it gets lost/stolen/busted, you'll find out then, how much fun insurance is.
Hell why not get a lawyer then to sue the insurance company. WoW! What a hoot! We can be like America and sue each other for slipping over and accidentally smelling a fart.
Oh and laugh a little DD.


Foosh:
Help out the other guys when the're in need, use you brain, read up on safety, warm up, get fit, enjoy it and relax. Remember, if you loose some gear, it only a *****g THING! It's not like its your mother floating out to sea... [}:)]
Save your premiums and spend them on the gear you may or may not loose or the leg you may or may not break etc etc etc... Coz the price of all this gear drops faster than a lead zepplin.

Im over it.

silviu
silviu
VIC
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1 Feb 2007 11:52pm
Devil,

You pretty right when it comes with the gear, I said it once, however, listen to this:
You don't know when it comes!!! After 7 years of spotless record (no accidents just some little grazings and scratchings) in December I've got it BIG - dislocated shoulder, ambulance, hospital (public).
Ambulance bill: $1200 - paid by the ambulance insurance $60/year you do the the accounting
Got to hospital (public) they were expecting me as I lost blood supply in the arm so I was an "emergency" up to the point when the shoulder slipped back in the socket. Than... 4 hours to get an X-ray, another 2 hours to get tghe "verdict" something is broken you have to go home!!!! and come back in 10 days to be seen by Trauma Centre. 10 days later: we cannot do anything you have to have a MRI, got booked in another 7 days, than rescheduled (the machine was due for "gas replacement") 3 days later. Finnaly arrived on 29 December (18 days of excruciating pain) back to Trauma Centre: you know we don't have ashoulder specialist you will have to come back on 15 of January.
Got p.o. went private to the best shoulder specialist, got the surgery already scheduled (when it is convenient for me).
The bill: $300 out of pocket vs $7500 for the surgery, hospital fees, and physio fees. And I have only smart combination private insurance, which is around 250 a quarter.
I heard all those theories, "save the premiums and spend them when you need"...
C'mon... give me a break, who's saving money for unforseen accidents? We all say: it will not happen to me!
So, it's you choice not to get private insurance, so get to the public system - it will fail you big time, you will be in pain, and will have to wait.
However, if you are a "sado", that may get you "pleasure".
Believe me, better safe (insured) than sorry (in pain).
lurch
lurch
WA
312 posts
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1 Feb 2007 10:38pm
Hey Echo
I think the forum speaks for itself when dealing with injuries, personal insurance, etc.
If your learning go find a big bit of beach thats got wind and no one there. Get yourself dragged up and down the beach as we have all done and trash your first set of gear. If your worried about hurting people thru your own actions (ie. kiting) your in the wrong place.
If I go over the falls at some nasty reef break I've been surfing and suffer injury, who do I blame, only me for blowing the take off, not the family on the beach teaching their kids to surf.
Personal health insurance is vital when you are responsible for your lovrd ones.
BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.
Peace
Lurch

doppelganger
doppelganger
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2 Feb 2007 2:49am
quote:
Originally posted by KiteDevil

Doppledoodle:
The question was insurance, and insurance is nothing but crap. Go and spend $1000 a year on private health insurance and then the rest when you see the actual bill. Go for it. Get insurance on all your gear... go on do it. Yeehaa. Then go and claim it when it gets lost/stolen/busted, you'll find out then, how much fun insurance is.
Hell why not get a lawyer then to sue the insurance company. WoW! What a hoot! We can be like America and sue each other for slipping over and accidentally smelling a fart.
Oh and laugh a little DD.



"Doppledoodle aye", hmmmm, given the translation for the german word "Doppel" means double, and doodle could be interpreted as "d$ck". I'm being called "two dick's", damn, I think i'm flattered

Personal Injury insurance is a personal choice, I'm single and dont have it,"may'be I should", but like Lurch has stated:"Personal health insurance is vital when you are responsible for your lovrd ones".I'm single, if I go and bust myself up, that's "my bad",I'll live with it.I'm a member of ASKA only, which suits MY purposes. When I had a wife and kid's and I was the sole breadwinner, I did have insurance.

Steve


KiteDevil
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2 Feb 2007 7:42pm
DoopleSchwantz perhaps?
I've been saving $1500 a year I'd otherwise throw away on private health insurance. Of course I have 3rd party on my car... might stack into a Porche, but if I stuff up it's my tough luck, don't care about my bomb.

Old man worked out he spent $65K on insurance premiums and claimed $500. You do the sums on compounding interest.

NO ****ing wind makes this happen you know...
Tvillegus
Tvillegus
QLD
98 posts
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2 Feb 2007 8:22pm
Kitedevil,

And if while you totalled your car and the porshe, you snapped your neck and had a long road of physical therapy at $200 an hour which you could not afford what would you be saying then? "damn i wish i was insured"

What if you were out kiting and you got hit by a sudden 45knot freak gust in the middle of a kiteloop and landed on your head?

I don't have insurance, but it is the first thing im going to be getting on my next day off. It's a personal choice, and fine if you dont want it, but dont bag it out for other people. Me i'd rather be safe in the fact that if something happened and i was unable to work, there would be something there to back me up.

Cheers,

G.

doppelganger
doppelganger
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3 Feb 2007 1:30am
quote:
Originally posted by KiteDevil

NO ****ing wind makes this happen you know...



silviu
silviu
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3 Feb 2007 7:32pm
Now it's windy out there.
So remember, injury any way is not good
But it's easier, faster and in a way more pleasant when you have private insurance.
KiteDevil
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3 Feb 2007 10:58pm
HA!, Geez I laugh you guys...

I lost my board. Had my number on it. Got it back. Gave them a premium box of beer. Cheap insurance.

Tvillgunnilingus: Rego covers you here... and i wear a neck brace and hat when ever driving my 2 ton 77 merc.

I have been hit by a storm front pumping god knows what, but it included hail. Snapped a line, death loops, pulled release only after getting dragged down the line for over 800m. I'd be dead if I didn't get to the release, 20m further was, well, the rocks. That was on a 12m LF Spectrum.
Simple.
No amount of insurance would make me happy if I didn't get myself out of trouble.

You know why this really pisses me off? It's because insurance companies and lawyers go hand in hand. With this you have a situation, like here in Tassie, where there are no instructors becasue the fees are too great to get the insurance you need to get the little tykes out there and into this great sport. And whys that? Because people these days think it's their right to sue if anything at all happens to little charlie.

It's seriously ****ed up. people don't do things they used to, they sit inside... on a saturday night... like me... scared to go outside incase a friggin terrorrizt kills me....

IM AM SO OVER THIS....AGAIN.

2moro there will be wind, and all will be well again... [}:)]

doppelganger
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3 Feb 2007 11:22pm
"Yo GOD, give the devil some wind, geeeezus"
KiteDevil
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3 Feb 2007 11:30pm
"RAAHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGG!!!"
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