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Originally posted by effovski

no
an inverted bow is inside out
it still flies much the same but now has struts on the outside

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Exactly Eff!
Have you ever seen one just flip and fly with the struts on the outside, while the person was riding along with the kite poarked at 45?
Nah, never seen it, except on one poorly inflated kite, which actually rolled inside itself and the flew right side out with twists in the lines.

I have seen them roll through their lines, in a crash or if the rider rapidly decreases line tension, I think I have seen every brand do the roll thing from rapidly decreased line tension.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

Steve we have seen them invert in flight as well,and when they are getting ready to be relaunched out of the water, I think we know the difference between the kite rolling through the lines and a kite inverting.

Mate I was there all day and it was pretty even not just popping in every now and again.And I dont live or work in one of the most popular kiting spots in Sydney to have to see this happen.So if you cant get out to see this happen alot of people are writing about so you better believe it.

We all know it happens just accept it.Like I said I like bows and intend on getting one but not just yet.

Now come on lads - lets get all this stuff into perspective. What is the whole point of kiting - its to have fun isn't it. Well " C " kites get you out on the water and you have fun and " BOW " kites get you out on the water and you have fun. So as both kites achieve the objective - who really cares about the technical issues . Lets just get out there - be good mates - and have fun, fun, fun.
See you on the water - you Sydney gals and guys are a first class bunch of people and I just looooove kiting with ya.
regards
The Kiterider.

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Now come on lads - lets get all this stuff into perspective. What is the whole point of kiting - its to have fun isn't it. Well " C " kites get you out on the water and you have fun and " BOW " kites get you out on the water and you have fun. So as both kites achieve the objective - who really cares about the technical issues . Lets just get out there - be good mates - and have fun, fun, fun.
See you on the water - you Sydney gals and guys are a first class bunch of people and I just looooove kiting with ya.
regards
The Kiterider.

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Beautiful, agreed.
theres sooooo much crap going round and around about i've got the best, you've got the worst, i'm the best retailer cause i stock rah rah fkn rah

Who gives a crap.

the most important thing is get on with what you love doing and enjoy it to the max. its not important what you ride or even how you ride it just so long as your having a blast and having fun.

After reading Richirich's reply to my comment re ratios of inverting, I think we need a clear definition of what we're talking about !

Now when I refer to an invert, I'm talking about the rider jumping and on the way down he/she depowers close to 100% and possibly going alittle further and the kite inverts (massive negative angle of attack and negative amounts of lift on the top part of the canopy and wala ! the kite inverts... seen this happen a couple of times !

I'm not talking about when it may happen when you come in to land or launch, just whilst flying !

A roll over os something different, kite lands and rolls over "twisted lines", this I have done on "C" kites and have seen on "BOW'S"...

It is an upside down flying kite!

Funky funky kite, but never been hurt by it

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Originally posted by RAL INN

All the Hype needs to stop.

Before someone gets real hurt.

Sun I saw a guy launch hie SSTD in stupid wind for any 12m kite obviously believing the depower hype.

End result a 30m arse slide down the road with kite at zenith and bar out.

Sure they depower but lets keep it in perspective, this guy will be shopping for new bootties no doubt.

Best winds
Tony L

Disclaimer: this was not an attack on Cabrinha.

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Tony people put up too big C kites all the time too, and do the same arse slides, but probaly with more potential for a serious lofting.

Where is all the hype?

Where is there any website or promotional material that says you can take a bow kite out in any wind, and it will be safe to do so?

So lets keep it really real and in perspective, people launch kites too big for the wind, some people cannot be told, these people learn by experience, and for sure that guy you saw has learned something - we hope.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McCormack

PS This was not a personal attack on Ral Inn

brownee, i know now what you are talking about and i have yet to see a true invert happen. If kites are flying along and they flip inside out because of such an angle of attack then we may very well have a problem. I think if that does happen it would be due to something wrong ie underinflated severly. I still don't think the inverts that i have done is worth talking about as it is a little bit of a pain in the ass for a matter of seconds and it only happens once in a blue moon...twice to me now- and that was firstly in opposing tide and i couldnt get enough tension on the lines and then last weekend i dropped the bar and it ran straight down wind of me and had no tension on the lines. If you can keep some tension on the lines bows can be super easy to relaunch and i was pissed at the guy who started this whole topic because he did not mention how easy all the other relaunchs were on saturday just the one that fliped inside out for 10 seconds spinning it (****)

Its weird that the people that post that they have seen Bow kites inverting are either Best dealers or owners, or else finish with" I wont get a bow kite yet"

Why do you feel the need to tell the World that you will "wait and see" etc ??

You are all suffering from "Bow envy"

wow i inverted my bow kite three times now.

Once was a bit o sand under the seal on the valve and the leading edge went soft. The other 2 was from luffing the kite.. but i have not been blowing up the leading edge hard enough. Apparantly you can pump these bastards up really hard an they will not pop. I wonder..i do not think that was the same a few years ago. Are they making the bladders stronger???

I am putting heaps more pressure in the edge now and i have had no more problems.


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I guess I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I have been flying a 12m Xbow for about three months. During that time I have had the kite invert several times. Most of the time the kite corrected itself and there were no problems. The only problem was that often after an inversion the kite would land in the water with the leading edge facing into the wind, much like you would have the kite if it were sanded down on the beach. Every time this would happen I would have to self rescue back to the beach. This left me very frustrated and I was ready to give up on bows until I learned to relauch from this position. So yes the bow kites do invert, but in every instance so far I have been able to correct the problem out in the water, relaunch and continue kiting. I think that this is a new design so you have to learn new ways of flying and fixing problems. Bow kites are not perfect, but neither are c-kites. I can thing of many times sitting on the beach drinking beer and swearing trying to untangle lines on my c-kites. For me and my style of riding the the advantages of the Bow kites outweigh the disadvantages. This may not be the case for you. If you don't like it. Don't buy it, or fly it.