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WaveRipper
WaveRipper
QLD
32 posts
QLD, 32 posts
19 Oct 2008 10:39pm
Hi everyone,
Fairly new the sport of kitesurfing but have been surfing for over 20 years. Can't wait to get my kite skills up sufficiently so i can hit the waves as soon as possible. Anyway, I have a question and wouldn't mind to hear what u all think and your opinions and stuff....

When u are out in the waves kitesurfing how close do u allow yourself to get to surfers?
Is there any legal limit in Victoria or the rest of Australia for that matter?

What about kitesurfing on a nice point break or reef and there being surfers in the line up cause its a class-A wave, is that a no go zone? Should i limit kitesurfing to uncrowded waves away from the bulk of surfers?

Also, what if you have walked down the beach away from the main pack of surfers but there is still a few on the other peaks down the beach, what do u do? How many surfers are around when u are out there and what considerations do u take into account if u get out there?

Do u have any rules in place taking into consideration that on a kite we can get many more waves and pick off the best ones easily from out the back before surfers have even thought about the wave, as i think that is something that would frustrate most surfers, what do u say about that and how do u guys go about kitesurfing good waves on a surfboard or directional board when there are surfers around, like to hear your feedback, opinions, restrictions and rules regarding safety and etiquette as well as just some of your experiences....


tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
19 Oct 2008 8:53pm
Im a long time surfer too and I hear what you are saying but it is generally not an issue because by the time the wind has picked up enough for the kiters to hit the waves all the surfers are on there way home.
IMO on the rare occasion that kiters share a peak with surfers most kiters will give the surfers a lot of space and allow them to catch as many waves as they can, I know I do, but hey we are all different and I suppose there could be a few issues with kiters that come from a non surfing background.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
19 Oct 2008 10:46pm
Hey WaveRipper,

I think that it is fair to take your share but to allow the surfers their rightful waves too. By pulling off a nice wave and calling them on, usually shows respect and consideration.

If the break is crowded with surfers I usually move on. If there are a couple of surfers out there in 25 knots, blown out crap, I give em space but take what I want. If I see them paddling for a wave I pull out.

It's a bout fairness. If you do pick off a nice one make sure you rip it to bits and don't kook it.

With regard to distance to surfers, as far as I know, there are no hard and fast rules in the real world. Just don't get too close, they'll let you know if you are too close.

Hope this helps,

Good winds,

Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
20 Oct 2008 8:43am
This will help .Maritime guidelines NSW maritime authority .I am pretty sure this is the same in other states

Distance off

* Kite surfers and their equipment, including kite and lines, must maintain a minimum distance of 30m from any persons or objects in the water at all times.
* Stay out of a designated surf zone. A designated surf zone is defined as the area extending 500 metres out from shore between surf patrol flags or signs.
* Stay out of a swimming area, which is defined as the area extending 60 metres out from shore between signs for swimmers.

Use you common sense and as Darren says those guys work alot harder for their waves give em some space.
TOAD
TOAD
NSW
305 posts
NSW, 305 posts
20 Oct 2008 9:00am
Surf when it's offshore , Kite when It's onshore . Easy
brode93
brode93
NSW
82 posts
NSW, 82 posts
20 Oct 2008 9:29am
i agree with toad most surfers have gone in when the winds comes up
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
20 Oct 2008 10:47am
Kitehard said...

Hey WaveRipper,

I think that it is fair to take your share but to allow the surfers their rightful waves too. By pulling off a nice wave and calling them on, usually shows respect and consideration.

If the break is crowded with surfers I usually move on. If there are a couple of surfers out there in 25 knots, blown out crap, I give em space but take what I want. If I see them paddling for a wave I pull out.

It's a bout fairness. If you do pick off a nice one make sure you rip it to bits and don't kook it.

With regard to distance to surfers, as far as I know, there are no hard and fast rules in the real world. Just don't get too close, they'll let you know if you are too close.

Hope this helps,

Good winds,




I agree-think you're pretty much spot on-except in NSW there are rules on how far we are supposed to stay away from surfers-30m as Mr Float points out-now about those fugging jetskiers......
ianmac
ianmac
WA
267 posts
WA, 267 posts
20 Oct 2008 9:03am
i just recently spent a week at Exmouth with some of our crew, surfing only, most times there is heaps of space around or peaks that are too hard to paddle into.
most of the surfing community has little patience when it comes to sharing waves. kitehard is about right when he says give em space not many good peaks or surfers out when its 18-20knots on shore.

we can certainly get onto waves a lot easier than a surfer so give the space if possible
au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
20 Oct 2008 9:33am
Kitehard said...

Hey WaveRipper,

I think that it is fair to take your share but to allow the surfers their rightful waves too. By pulling off a nice wave and calling them on, usually shows respect and consideration.

If the break is crowded with surfers I usually move on. If there are a couple of surfers out there in 25 knots, blown out crap, I give em space but take what I want. If I see them paddling for a wave I pull out.

It's a bout fairness. If you do pick off a nice one make sure you rip it to bits and don't kook it.

With regard to distance to surfers, as far as I know, there are no hard and fast rules in the real world. Just don't get too close, they'll let you know if you are too close.

Hope this helps,

Good winds,




Kitrehard,
here in W.A. I think you'll find that kiting would come into the class of being towed under power, which is actually only allowed in designated ski areas, so we need to be very careful that we're not kiting in bathing areas and drawing complaints.
I think that a self imposed code of conduct similar to that surfers code (don't snake, don't drop in, rights of way, etc..) would go a long way to preserving our sport.

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