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Cas
Cas
WA
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Cas Cas
WA, 15 posts
3 Jan 2005 5:57pm
Hi,

I want to get into kiting and would really appreciate a bit of advice. I am counting on having some lessons to learn the basics and will then be looking for some gear to get out there on my own.

Firstly, how long is the kiting season in Perth? I can probably scrape up enough $$ for a few lessons soon but from what I have seen of gear prices, I wouldn't be able to buy my own stuff untill mid Feb or so (and even then severely stretching my meagre budget - student) On this time frame will it be too late to get some decent learning time in? Would I be better off waiting for next season and getting a new seasons kite then? I'd rather not wait..I want to get started!

Also in terms of gear, what kite/board would you recommend for a beginner girl, 165cm, 50Kg? What kind of harness (seat or waist) have the other girls found best? I'm guessing seat??

Finally, I have fair skin and want to avoid getting burnt as best I can...I was thinking sunscreen (duh), a full wet suit and a cap...any other ideas?

Feel free to add in any other tips advice you think might be usefull, I appreciate the help.

Thanks!

Cas
captainkaos
captainkaos
WA
247 posts
WA, 247 posts
4 Jan 2005 9:35am
HI Cas.I think you have enough time to get lessons and get started.wouldn`t it be nice to get it happening this season so as your ready for next year?The season this year is only realy just kicking off and i`m sure we are in for another 3 months of good winds.There is a lot of second hand gear around,and a lot of it is good stuff from last season or the one before,some guys like to update every year and offload their old kites even though there is nothing wrong with them.I`m sure you could get a starter kit second hand for around $800-$1000.always if buying second hand gear make sure the bar system has an appropriate quick release system and kite leash.Most guys/girls selling gear will be more than happy to explain how everything works and maybe even show you the gear in action.I would say a 6-8m kite would be agood size to start with going on your weight and bord size would depend on your previous board skills(surf/wakeboard/windsurf).i would go for something big and floaty if you have no previuos board skills like you say a 165 would be good.if your a bit more confident you could probably go down to 150-155.I have fair skin and manage to not get burnt wearing boardies and rashie,just keep applying sunscreen wear a hat when possible(some wear hats in the water)Sunnys.you could wear a full length wetsuit,but i couldn`t think of anything worse on a stinking hot day.I like a seat harness because my waist harness rides up and crushes my ribs.I`m sure there are better ones on the market now but i just seem to feel comfortable in a seat harness.I`m sure some girls will comment more about what works best for them.I think its personal choice really.See ya later good luk and have fun.
If you need more info on gear/lessons try talking to

Neil Hold the line kites(wembley)93875676
Jess/Ian airborne kitesurfing(osb park)92444474
John SOS surf and sail (freo)94307050

Cas
Cas
WA
15 posts
Cas Cas
WA, 15 posts
5 Jan 2005 5:18pm
Wow, a very comprehensive reply, Thanks captainkaos!

Well with another 3 months or so I'm definitely going to start this season

I want to book some lessons for next week but still have a few decisions to make that people here might be able to help me out with:

I'm trying to work out what kind of kite I want and came across some heated [}:)] debate over inflatable kites versus foil kites. Can anyone recommend a web site that gives a reasonably objective overview of the advantages and disadvantages of the two types of kites? I'd like to get lessons on the same type of kite I decide to buy.

For those of you who have had lessons can you recommend an instructor that you found supportive, helpful and safe?...I don't want to be catapaulted into space I have one recommendation already, and certainly appreciate the contacts provided by captainkaos but wouldn't mind getting a few more first hand recommendations from other previous students.

Finally, I was given a rough recommendation of 10 hours on the trainer kite before I start getting lessons...does this sound about right? I should be over my 10 hrs by the end of the week

Thanks again for the thorough reply!

Cas.




bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
5 Jan 2005 10:53pm

hehe - lucky you asked the foil vs LEI question here and not kiteforum

both are good these days

pick the kite that is most popular at your launch (obvious what this will be eh ), as this will give you more access to advice on kite tuning, bladder and canopy repairs, relaunching etc you can always fly a foil later when you are confident

feel free to ignore this advice if there are regular foil flyers at your local spot, or you dont mind getting tips off the net
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
5 Jan 2005 8:55pm
hey
Everyone has their opinion on the whole foil verses inflatable debate. I got the following out of an old kiteboarding mag...note that a lot of this has changed as the specifics of kite design has evolved....

INFLATABLE VERSES FOIL

FOIL
A:
more efficient on snow
quick setup
no bladders
large wind range
easy self launching
compact

D:
bridles can tangle
foil can sink
may jellyfish in gusty conditions
no floation

INFLATABLE
A:
stable
quick turning
good relaunch
good floatation
easy to self rescue

D:
bladders to repair
longer to setup
more difficult to self launch/land

As I said a lot of has evolved since that article was printed but it may give you an idea.
Another bit of information that you may find useful (which will be argued depending on what side you're on) is that probaly 95% of kiters use inflatables...
As for kite schools, theyre all good...depends on where you live and how far you want to travel to get to your lesson. I think theyre all around the same price?
Trainer kites are really good to learn the very basic flying skills but you may find that you have learnt all that you can from a trainer kite in the 1st hour...10 hours may be a bit of an overkill!!
Also, it may help if you have a friend already into kiting or someone who wants to have lessons also...good to have someone there when you start to get out there....and to laugh at when they get mashed trying to show off!

Have fun
addiction
addiction
WA
69 posts
WA, 69 posts
5 Jan 2005 9:10pm
Hi Cas
Welcome to the wonderful world of kitesurfing.
Good advice so far and here's my 2 cents to add to it.
A good rule of thumb for kite sizing is to divide your weight by 7 which works out for you at 6-8m, I think that you will get more use out of an 8m.
For boards look for a 130-135 to start with and expect to end up on a 125 or smaller with the 130-135 becoming you lightwind board.
You are so light that your biggest problem will be keeping the edge in the water and will find that the board picks you up and runs away down wind.
To help with this look for narrow boards to give you more leverage on the edge, boards with a concave bottom and large fins these things will help.
A seat harness is my pick but you will never know for yourself until you have tried both types.
For sunburn look for a long sleave rashy and have a look a www.kitechicks.com
The great debate inflatable or foil you will never get a straight answer on this one and each has it's good points.
My advice you will get more help from your local crew with an inflatable simply because there is more of them.
There are lots of good teachers in Perth but I can only personally recommend the person how taught me and that is Jason Lewis Full Tilt down at Safety Bay.

Well good luck and remember when your struggling back up the beach absolutely stuffed ITS FUN.

Cheers
Pete


Caelah
Caelah
WA
319 posts
WA, 319 posts
6 Jan 2005 9:27am
Hi Cas, great to hear another female is getting into the sport! You've got some great advise from everyone else so I hope you manage to find what suits you best so you can make the most of the next 3 months in perth.

I've been kiting just under a year and when I bought my gear I chose a seat harness because it feels more secure and once on doesn't move (personal pref) and have both 7m & 11m inflatable kites (I weigh 60kg and am 5'3" in height). I also own a 4m samuari foil kite but only use it for landboarding at the moment as I'm still dropping my kite when out on the water, so don't want to be in that situation with a foil. The inflatable vs foil choice for me comes down to experience and kite flying skills. Have your lessons, try a few different kites and harnesses out, if you can, and then shop around. There's always heaps of gear for sale on the forums.

Have fun!!!

Caela
krusher
krusher
WA
1 posts
WA, 1 posts
6 Jan 2005 11:09am
i was just wondering if there is any kite schools in the hillarys area?
richo
richo
QLD
337 posts
QLD, 337 posts
7 Jan 2005 6:02pm
hi cas i still reakon some time at a cable ski world is a great idea. If you can ride on edge both with both feet foward around the track you will reduce the number of lessons you will need (big saving) You never know, you might make your instructor faint and get up and going first try. This board skill could also allow you to get a smaller board first up! It might take a few trips to the park but it is well worth it.

So good to hear about girls getting on board
have fun
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
7 Jan 2005 7:11pm


good call richo - i went to the cable ski at logan recently and it was a blast - definately on my no wind to-do list
Air Catcher
Air Catcher
WA
60 posts
WA, 60 posts
7 Jan 2005 5:23pm
hay can u tell me where cable ski is Id lke to go therecos no wind sucks pretty much ruins the whole day
monkey
monkey
NSW
251 posts
NSW, 251 posts
8 Jan 2005 3:05am
There was one at Trode St in Perth but they closed down!
Anyone know where else in perth has Cable Ski?
Cas
Cas
WA
15 posts
Cas Cas
WA, 15 posts
8 Jan 2005 12:19pm
Thanks to everyone for all the advice!!

I really appreciated Dan Roberts' simple lists of pro's and cons of foils vs inflatables, this gave me a much clearer idea than wading through some of the threads I found on kiteforum- MUCH APPRECIATED

I'm still agonising over the foil/inflatable thing...

- if you crash a foil in the water and can't relaunch it....does it sink ? how do you get it back to the beach without getting tangled in all the lines? Drowning= not my preferred death (strangely enough )
- for equivalent sized foil/inflatable kites with a rider of a given weight, how much larger is the wind range of the foil? Hmm this is starting to remind me of school

- how long does it take to set up the inflatables for beginners? I'm sure the experienced kiters have it down to a fine art but how about the rest of us?
- how easy/dangerous are inflatables to self launch/ land for beginners? I don't want to kite alone but won't always have someone I know on the beach to help out with the launch/land :}
- does a fifth line make any diff to the above? I have read a few threads on these but don't really understand how they work.

Addiction, thanks for all the advice on the board...will definitiely keep those features in mind when I buy my board!

Yep, I thought about cable ski Richo, but as the others mentioned cables water ski park closed a few years ago . I couldn't find any others in WA...though I did find a water park where you can hire a lake, boat and ski's. Its not quite what I was looking for but the closest thing to cable ski that I found for those who might be interested.

Thanks again to all of those who responded, I'm taking it all on board and am blown away by how helpful everyone has been! Anyway I'll shut up now before this post becomes a novel!

Cas
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
8 Jan 2005 3:54pm
quote:
Thanks again to all of those who responded, I'm taking it all on board and am blown away by how helpful everyone has been!


That's because you've got big... (As per Jim Carrey in Liar Liar)

ha ha ha

Everyone's thinking it, I'm just saying it (Pirates of the Carribean), possibly because you're a girl...? p.s. are you single and of an appropriate age? No? Sorry, don't mind me. Would love to meet a girl who kiteboards one day. Even just meeting a girl would be a good start. Getting off topic here, sorry...

When I was a beginner it took about 5-10 minutes to set up my inflatable, now it takes about 10-15 because I'm not so desparate to get out there in a hurry anymore. Don't worry, it's a piece of cake. One-pump and its imitators make it even quicker.

Yes, inflatables are easy and dangerous to launch, so is driving a car. I worry when I see foil flyers launch directly downwind and drag themselves across about 8 metres of sand in the process. What if there's a sharp rock/shell/bit of coral/used syringe right in front of them? At least you stay in one spot with a blimp. Landing inflatables a bit trickier, I don't think there is an easy way to do it, but I'm still searching/experimenting. Some people claim there is.

Even if you don't know someone at the beach pretty much any kiter will help catch or launch a kite, and most will keep an eye on you if it is obvious you're a beginner. The rest will probably keep an eye on you because you're a girl

I haven't ridden a foil but after Ian Young's efforts at the Gero blast they look like a fantastic option for lightwind. He claims they have a good windrange too.

Can't answer on 5th lines, but have heard they're all the go and believe it.

Cheers

The Green Baron

I'll get you yet Von Richtofen, you fiend.
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
8 Jan 2005 5:43pm


water foils like flysurfer and Peter Lynn wont fill up with water if you crash them. theres a guy at my launch who wades out with his flysurfer and water launches it when its high tide. he just plonks it on the water and unwinds the lines (which are already attached), then launches it from straight downwind. looks a bit weird until it fills up with air, but i havent seen him fail yet.
PsYLoR
PsYLoR
QLD
927 posts
QLD, 927 posts
9 Jan 2005 12:31am
IMO Just get an inflatable kite Cas then you don't have to worry about crashing it into the water as you will do this a fair bit when learning. When you can kite well enough not to get your kite wet each session then a foil (a.k.a air matress) might suit you better.
Paul 8
Paul 8
WA
41 posts
WA, 41 posts
10 Jan 2005 10:51am
Hi, I have only been on the water since December and had lessons with Ian (I recommend him, having the jet ski is a big advantage).

My advice would be to have your lessons before deciding on a board and kite. As you can try them out, I fly foils and are more than happy!

Have fun
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
14 Jan 2005 1:51pm
I noticed that Cas got 4 times as many replies to the same question as me!!!

Gonna change my name to bigwavesharon now!!!

Cas
Cas
WA
15 posts
Cas Cas
WA, 15 posts
14 Jan 2005 4:05pm
Thanks again to everyone for the advice!

I have started having lessons, which so far I'm very happy with (couldn't get the grin off my face ). I am learning on foils but when the time comes to make a decision I might organise a lesson or two on an inflatable to feel the difference for myself before choosing.

Bigwavedave: Don't sell yourself short, go for 'Bigbreastedbabe' Sorry, couldn't resist.

Cas
Surgeon
Surgeon
NSW
134 posts
NSW, 134 posts
14 Jan 2005 7:58pm
Hey Cas, don't become a Tubie!!!! Stick with the foils - they are way better trolling, trolling, trolling
gls
gls
WA
284 posts
gls gls
WA, 284 posts
15 Jan 2005 11:57pm
Cas I started on a 5m flysurfer after finishing my lessons. I'm still riding it 18 months later. Its brilliant. I can get all the power I need in a moderate to strong wind. I can relaunch within seconds if it crashes. It is safe to launch if you follow the rules. I have also gone onto fly other larger foils and I'm perfectly happy with them. Regarding boards I suggest go about 150cm. Small enough to fit in the car, big enough for your weight, enough to learn on, and not too big that you'll ourgrow it too early. Regarding the sun, I would recommend a Radiator (looks like a rashi but it acts like a wet suit. At $114 it was the best investment in clothing I ever made.
Graeme
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
26 Jan 2005 5:34pm
Hey Cas

Followed everybody's advice and got some lessons!!! 3 weekends and 8 hours of lessons and I am off and going. It beats anything else I have tried!!!
Borrowed a mates Wipika inflatable 14 and a 142cm board. What a blast

Hope you keep at it!!!!
stikin2boat
stikin2boat
2 posts
2 posts
16 Dec 2005 6:34pm
quote:
Originally posted by GreenPat

quote:
Thanks again to all of those who responded, I'm taking it all on board and am blown away by how helpful everyone has been!


That's because you've got big... (As per Jim Carrey in Liar Liar)

ha ha ha

Everyone's thinking it, I'm just saying it (Pirates of the Carribean), possibly because you're a girl...? p.s. are you single and of an appropriate age? No? Sorry, don't mind me. Would love to meet a girl who kiteboards one day. Even just meeting a girl would be a good start. Getting off topic here, sorry...

When I was a beginner it took about 5-10 minutes to set up my inflatable, now it takes about 10-15 because I'm not so desparate to get out there in a hurry anymore. Don't worry, it's a piece of cake. One-pump and its imitators make it even quicker.

Yes, inflatables are easy and dangerous to launch, so is driving a car. I worry when I see foil flyers launch directly downwind and drag themselves across about 8 metres of sand in the process. What if there's a sharp rock/shell/bit of coral/used syringe right in front of them? At least you stay in one spot with a blimp. Landing inflatables a bit trickier, I don't think there is an easy way to do it, but I'm still searching/experimenting. Some people claim there is.

Even if you don't know someone at the beach pretty much any kiter will help catch or launch a kite, and most will keep an eye on you if it is obvious you're a beginner. The rest will probably keep an eye on you because you're a girl

I haven't ridden a foil but after Ian Young's efforts at the Gero blast they look like a fantastic option for lightwind. He claims they have a good windrange too.

Can't answer on 5th lines, but have heard they're all the go and believe it.

Cheers

The Green Baron

I'll get you yet Von Richtofen, you fiend.

stikin2boat
stikin2boat
2 posts
2 posts
16 Dec 2005 6:47pm
yo i dont like kiteboarding anymor i had a bad experience with launching a 15m inflate yess well a strong gust and a semi-fling parachute isnt very nice especially wen im attached 2 it.......... well 3 fractures in 1 leg and a 13degree hip relignment u can juust imagine how high i flew (considering when the advertising says "get high lern 2 fly") into a canopie of trees tearing my beloved, ****kin expensive inflate and sending me too a painfull fall....

well after all that i got into cable and boat pulling raileys,tantrum's nuclears, bak&front rolls toeside stuff too i havent looked back. (sum ppl wernt ment 2 kite)
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
16 Dec 2005 7:08pm
quote:
13degree hip relignment


??how does that work??
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
16 Dec 2005 10:57pm
Draw a line pointing North, a line pointing North-North-East, then another one a bit past halfway from N to NNE. Stand facing N then turn to your new line, that should be about 13 degrees you have realigned your hips

There you go. I saw this thread and thought I should reply to it then saw that I already have, almost a year ago! Geez wasn't I a ****er back then? The **** some people write

Another point on the gear selection process I was going to make was in harness selection, a female friend of mine just having gone through the process, was one of logic often overlooked. Sure it comes down to personal preference in the end, but don't forget that boy bits that are sensitive are between the legs where seat harnesses can ride up, girl bits that are sensitive are located on the chest where waist harnesses tend to ride up.
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