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dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
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8 Feb 2013 10:33am
Yesterday I was presented with a lot of yelling after I've jumped on a little flat water ramp.
From my perspective there was a fair distance ie kite lines length and knowing the other rider is quite skilled, I've made a call and jumped.

Important part is that I always go downwind when jumping, sometimes a lot. For sure if the other rider goes downwind, the kites might collide. Which is true in any circumstances if my kite is higher.

Now, was it a wrong call?

Thanks

PS Other rider well upwind of me and at least 30-50m far going to my direction.


munro
munro
WA
28 posts
WA, 28 posts
8 Feb 2013 10:41am
I dont think wrong call as it dosnt sound too close a call,

I always look at the other kiter from the air so their aware Im aware of them.
nzjimmy2001
nzjimmy2001
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
8 Feb 2013 10:45am
didn't look at your image long but you prob shouldn't jump when someone is downwind of you. (unless they are well far enough away of course and there is no doubt you will not come close to them) so yea "scream fu%k" could be appropriate in that situation.
Danmurphys
Danmurphys
WA
231 posts
WA, 231 posts
8 Feb 2013 10:57am
^ ^ ^ didn't look at diagram at all, or read the post.

If you were a lines length away and down wind then you should pass with your kite low. Jumping means your kite will be high so I can see his frustration.

But if youre experienced, confident and made the call, then who gives a fk if he spat chips ha!
Warehouse13
Warehouse13
NSW
185 posts
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8 Feb 2013 2:11pm
nzjimmy2001 said...
didn't look at your image long but you prob shouldn't jump when someone is downwind of you. (unless they are well far enough away of course and there is no doubt you will not come close to them) so yea "scream fu%k" could be appropriate in that situation.



Pic shows OP is downwind of other rider, he jumps he is floating away from the other guy.

I'm only a noob but from reading up on the general "rules of boarding" I don't see a problem unless you raised your kite too high. But if you are not going to pass directly under his kite or lines then there is really no way there should be an issue unless the other guy dips his kite or heads down wind also. But from what I know kiter upwind keeps kite up, kiter downwind keeps kite down, so don't see the problem.

Maybe from his view point it looked like you were under his lines and he thought you were too close to jump there.
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
8 Feb 2013 11:19am
^^^
As mentioned, kite will always go higher when you pop, but will also go downwind as you say float away...

The jump is much faster than tacking upwind. Ads a bit of close call but we are skilled
enough. It's not that big beach with 15-20 riders at the time...

If is a newbie I wouldn't jump in front of him.
DC23
DC23
WA
25 posts
WA, 25 posts
8 Feb 2013 11:24am
Are you sure he wasnt souting F@#k in amazment of your awsome jump????
:-P
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
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8 Feb 2013 11:36am
DC23 said...
Are you sure he wasnt souting F@#k in amazment of your awsome jump????
:-P


:)
I would thought so if he didn't approach me screaming loud:(

dafunk
dafunk
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561 posts
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8 Feb 2013 1:41pm
looks fine to me , other kiter needs a chill pill .
i do it too
eppo
eppo
WA
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8 Feb 2013 11:49am
Yes I had a similar experience except the swearing bit yesterday. Problem is with the edges the hangtime longer than I anticipate always...

so I have decided I will only jump downwind of people from now on...just in case. even if they are a considerable distance away...Was turning a double back rotation, slowed it down as had some height and half way around my second rotation saw someone downwind of me and had to pull out and crash...yeh I'm just gonna go downwind and not risk it hey.

except if it my brother, I will attempt to jump and clear him...its a game we play that will only end in disaster one of these days! LOL.
mazdon
mazdon
1199 posts
1199 posts
8 Feb 2013 12:04pm
eppo said...
Yes I had a similar experience except the swearing bit yesterday. Problem is with the edges the hangtime longer than I anticipate always...

so I have decided I will only jump downwind of people from now on...just in case. even if they are a considerable distance away...Was turning a double back rotation, slowed it down as had some height and half way around my second rotation saw someone downwind of me and had to pull out and crash...yeh I'm just gonna go downwind and not risk it hey.

except if it my brother, I will attempt to jump and clear him...its a game we play that will only end in disaster one of these days! LOL.


haha sick
would love to see that! you restore my faith that not all kiters are excessively analytical about risk eppo, although your equipment posts are positively OCD
love reading them when bored at work though! and have a mind for a demo on a monk or edge one day too because of you - you should get royalties!!!
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
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8 Feb 2013 12:14pm
eppo said...
Yes I had a similar experience except the swearing bit yesterday. Problem is with the edges the hangtime longer than I anticipate always...




True, I started to anticipate this as well with the new Varial X (second sesh with it).

oceanfire
oceanfire
WA
718 posts
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8 Feb 2013 12:24pm
The b*tch is when you're on a starboard tack approaching someone holding hard to their upwind port tack, so you decide to drop your kite low and pass them down wind, you get around 30m or so away from passing and they decide to do a jump right in front of you.
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
8 Feb 2013 12:35pm
^^^

Yep, that's a b*tch. Long time ago ended a few times wrapped in someones lines like that. I'm in due for one...
polykarb
polykarb
VIC
284 posts
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8 Feb 2013 3:51pm
You could just wait 10 seconds until you have both passed each other.......

I'd prob yell at ya, if I had to raise my kite up because of yours going vertical.

But yeah, real first world problem when the biggest issue in your life is your local kiteboarding spot is getting too busy.....

It's a hard life.

dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
8 Feb 2013 12:58pm
polykarb said...
You could just wait 10 seconds until you have both passed each other.......

I'd prob yell at ya, if I had to raise my kite up because of yours going vertical.

But yeah, real first world problem when the biggest issue in your life is your local kiteboarding spot is getting too busy.....

It's a hard life.




I'm with you, life is good atm:)
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
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8 Feb 2013 12:59pm
mazdon said...
eppo said...
Yes I had a similar experience except the swearing bit yesterday. Problem is with the edges the hangtime longer than I anticipate always...

so I have decided I will only jump downwind of people from now on...just in case. even if they are a considerable distance away...Was turning a double back rotation, slowed it down as had some height and half way around my second rotation saw someone downwind of me and had to pull out and crash...yeh I'm just gonna go downwind and not risk it hey.

except if it my brother, I will attempt to jump and clear him...its a game we play that will only end in disaster one of these days! LOL.


haha sick
would love to see that! you restore my faith that not all kiters are excessively analytical about risk eppo, although your equipment posts are positively OCD
love reading them when bored at work though! and have a mind for a demo on a monk or edge one day too because of you - you should get royalties!!!




I know tell that to Puppet and Jason...!!

Yep the VX will give you the same hangtime issues...
bennie
bennie
ACT
1258 posts
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8 Feb 2013 4:00pm
dbabicwa said...

Yesterday I was presented with a lot of yelling after I've jumped on a little flat water ramp.
From my perspective there was a fair distance ie kite lines length and knowing the other rider is quite skilled, I've made a call and jumped.

Important part is that I always go downwind when jumping, sometimes a lot. For sure if the other rider goes downwind, the kites might collide. Which is true in any circumstances if my kite is higher.

Now, was it a wrong call?

Thanks

PS Other rider well upwind of me and at least 30-50m far going to my direction.





if your diagram is accurate I don't see the issue. You are downwind of him and jumping will see you get further away.

On the same topic a few weeks ago I boosted off a ramp on the way out (25knts 10m kite so a massive boost). A kiter who was about 50m in front of me on the same tack turned around on an incoming wave only to be faced with me and an impending collision with their kite. He took evasive action with the result just a close call(not much I could do in the air). Anyway I felt bad for scewing his wave and waved sorry, but the more I think about it I don't think I was in the wrong, I was airborne before he turned around, we had been kiting near each other for a while and 9 out of 10 tacks he was heading way out the back on an upwind tack. Anyway I think when its really blowing you need to allow double the room you normally would for jumps
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
8 Feb 2013 2:28pm
Don't worry theres allways somebody that will be offended no matter what you do.

I would laugh hearterly if someone screamed out "scream ****c" at me.

I had a windsurfer scream his lungs off at me a while back. I was on the wave face well up wind and blasting down the line. he dropped in on me from a downwind angle. ... and deamed i was in the wrong... go figure.

anyway some people are very conservative so unless you know them i would say do your crazy stuff well away.

if your buddies then its game on. I've boosted off a wave lip after being splashed in the fast buy a fellow kiter riding the wave!
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
8 Feb 2013 8:13pm
Yep true that. When its me, my bro and another guy dog styling it in the waves it's game on. Three blokes in the air at the same time all jumping in different directions and trajectories. Funny sh1t.
Addikt
Addikt
WA
553 posts
WA, 553 posts
8 Feb 2013 8:48pm
Sometimes you wait for the the dude down wind of you to pass before jumping but then they decide to change direction and head back out again and you look down and see them heading out under you.........!!!!
tomme
tomme
VIC
475 posts
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8 Feb 2013 11:56pm
ive learned the hard way to not jump when uwind, ,even if you think you have enough clearance. ...
eppo
eppo
WA
9793 posts
WA, 9793 posts
8 Feb 2013 9:44pm
Agreed that's gonna be my go from now on. Except if its with the crazy crew then I'm trying to jump over their kites as well. Can only end in tears....
nugs
nugs
NSW
79 posts
NSW, 79 posts
9 Feb 2013 2:44am
dbabicwa said...

Yesterday I was presented with a lot of yelling after I've jumped on a little flat water ramp.
From my perspective there was a fair distance ie kite lines length and knowing the other rider is quite skilled, I've made a call and jumped.

Important part is that I always go downwind when jumping, sometimes a lot. For sure if the other rider goes downwind, the kites might collide. Which is true in any circumstances if my kite is higher.

Now, was it a wrong call?

Thanks

PS Other rider well upwind of me and at least 30-50m far going to my direction.





Sorry Man! Wrong call this time. Had you been a little further apart like 100m (from opposite directions) there would be not dispute. But you said that you were 30m apart (approx your line length give or take). This means that you should have kept your kite low and he should have kept his high). So when you quickly raised your kite up to jump he understandably got the ****s. No matter how experienced we are we cannot predict what the other kiter is doing unless the other kiter makes their intentions clear.

From the other guys perspective you were approaching downwind in the opposite direction with your kite at approx 45 degrees (give or take) and when you were about a lines length away you threw your kite up towards 12 to jump while he was expecting you to keep your kite low as an experienced Kiter. That's why he probably yelled profanities at you.
dbabicwa
dbabicwa
WA
809 posts
WA, 809 posts
9 Feb 2013 12:58am
^^^
Point taken. Thanks.

The problem on a busy beach is that you can keep going like that for a while...

Having 100m between 15-20 riders at 20kn is a dream on my local:) Would never jump than.

As said, I do not jump near noobs and from a skilled rider I do expect fast movement. Observe and act appropriately. Transition. Downloop. Whatever floats you board:)
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