Jumping tips needed please

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kevinwd1
kevinwd1
QLD
125 posts
QLD, 125 posts
4 Jan 2007 10:10pm
I've been trying to work out how to jump, without success! I've tried edging hard, before sending the kite back. But edging hard tends to pull the kite down, and it seems to be a fight sometimes to send the kite up and back.

I've tried heading downwind and bringing the kite up and back, then edging hard, but generally, get too much speed and get pulled of my edge too easily.

The only time I have felt that I've had any success is when using small waves to send me upwards. Any advice would be appreciated (I have 2 cabrinha Co2 C kites). TIA.

Kevin


Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
4 Jan 2007 10:17pm
Hi Kev,

Check out our Tips and Tricks page, it has a bit about jumping as well as other cool stuff.

www.kiteboardingschool.com.au/tips_&_tricks.htm

Good winds,

p4rlx
p4rlx
QLD
103 posts
QLD, 103 posts
5 Jan 2007 12:46am
Whilst on the topic of that site, which is awesome btw...

Just some clarification on the Bow jumping,

When i jump with it .. i get speed.. edge hard... then i move the kite up... then get pop and as i do that sheet in.. To some success but in yours you say having it slightly facing into the wind

Is the kite supposed to be moving towards over ur head still as u sheet in but you stop it at 12 instead of sending it over? Mine tends to be stationary above me and i start losing speed then i sheet in

Thanks

Alex
twig
twig
QLD
144 posts
QLD, 144 posts
5 Jan 2007 12:58am
basicly edge (not to hard) send your kit, when sending your kite just before you jump edge really hard when you feel it pull cut off the edging
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
5 Jan 2007 2:16am
Hey Kev,

you're right, clarification required!

A "C" kite jumps with the pendulum effect so the harder you direct the kite back, the higher you go ... as a general rule. With a "bow" kite, I have been jumping best by turning the kite directly "up", as if in line with a fixed point on the water from where you started the turn.

I sheet in progressively and smoothly starting from the moment I turn the kite (1/2 powered and smooth increase in bar pressure until you take off from the water at which time you should be at full power and the kite above you (12 o'clock), pointed into the wind or ever so slightly back and you still travelling forwards as a result of your speed and inertia. A smooth sheet in will result in a less disturbed airflow over the canopy.

Your forward speed will carry you past the kite (which should be facing into the wind) and will still give you some of the pendulum effect, but you will get much greater hangtime without washing off all of your forward speed from sending the kite in the opposite direction.

Bow kites have an efficient use of their lift generating surface compared to a "C" which is why it is important to keep the airflow over the kite to generate lift throughout the jump. Turning the kite in the opposite direction reduces apparent wind speed over the foil and the sharp turns required, see only half of the canopy producing minimal lift as they pivot on their inside wing.

Of course you need to load for take off and this is best acheived by easing your edge momentarily before loading which allows the kite to drift back deeper into the window and reduces line tension before you load them hard as you release your edge with a smooth carve turn more upwind. A classic load and take off.

In general It's similar to a "C" kite boost with less aggressively sending the kite back.

My jumps, at mid point, tend to see the kite at around 1 o'clock (assuming a port tack jump) and facing directly into the wind, fully sheeted in. At the apex, I redirect my kite forward in two parts, a short pull on the front hand to get it pointing in the right direction but basically still over my head for additional loft and finally a hard pull forward to get speed just before I hit the water. I keep the bar sheeted in all the way through the landing to aid in a softer landing.

I hope this helps, Sorry it got a bit techy in the end Good jumps are very technical, and timing and execution are critical to going big, thats why it is so hard and so few go huge on such efficient kites. It's also why it is worth your time practicing. Good luck

Kat
Kat
WA
145 posts
Kat Kat
WA, 145 posts
5 Jan 2007 11:34am
edge hard bring kite to 12-1300ish area then you should feel a pop! This lifts you into the air then bring your kite back to 10-11 o'clockish where you land a little down wind and keep sailing out....This is from a natural stance Mite be easier to describe in person as this is how i was taught...Hope it helps non the less
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
5 Jan 2007 4:03pm
best advice i had on a c-shaped,
get speed, put kite at 10-11 o clock. then as quick as you can crank your right arm down (assuming your are going left foot forward) throwing kite to 1-2 oclock, jump/pop off the water when you feel your are about to be pulled up , when floating, count to 2, then crank it back to 10 - 11 oclock. remember to point your board down wind for super nice landing. edging should be natural.


bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
5 Jan 2007 4:34pm
hi kitehard, thanks for the advice regarding jumping on a bow. - since ive become a bowmo, ive not seemed to get them right. mostly because as you say they are more techical - and there is more things to think about, and to time correctly. can you try and explain the technic a little more. I seem to be able to get up okay using my c - method , but height not the same, and landings are bad.

ie what do you mean "facing/pointing into the wind" - do you mean the LE of the kite.

also - i seem to always feel like my board is going to come off my feet.
i dont like the straps too tight, and from watching pro's i can see the board is not tight on their feet.
- board offs would be impossible if that was the case.
so what is the secret??
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
5 Jan 2007 10:30pm
quote:
Originally posted by cliffor123

this is how i learnt to jump.
http://kitefilm.com/video/jumping_part1.wmv
kitefilm.com/video/jumping_part2.wmv
these are from a page for an instructional dvd with other tricks and stuff
kitefilm.com/eng/weeklytrick.asp



checked out these and they look cool.
there's a whole heap of tricks on video.
BUT....where's the vid of puppet doing a helicopter..... then this site will be complete.
Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
NSW
295 posts
NSW, 295 posts
7 Jan 2007 12:52am
my tip for a bow and jumping is NEVER sheet all the way out, doing this reduces are over the wing, and thus less power, just like how a bow is supposed to work ;)
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
6 Jan 2007 11:51pm
line up a wave/chop and your set although you are required to get inverted at least once or do something tricky at the same time if you have been kiting 1+ seasons already... the punishment for not doing that is some other kiter somewhere on the water feeling disappointed and muttering dingle ****n dangle. you may even be hurled abuse at depending on how many of your friends are into wakestyle
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