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Jumping - when to pop off the water?

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Created by kiteflo 3 months ago, 18 Aug 2017
kiteflo
127 posts
18 Aug 2017 6:15PM
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I was wondering when the perfect moment is to pop off the water with sent jumps?

approach with speed, steer back the kite aggressively from 10 to 12 or even 1, hold the edge, then pop off the water. but when? where in the window is the kite? as in how far up over your head? if you pop off too early I guess you'd end up not going very high but rather a long way downwind? If too late the kite will overfly and result in a pendulum ass bomb?

I've been getting jumps over 5m, my pb is 8m (according to trace) but I'm rather inconsistent. half a season of jumping under my belt, I'm keen to get over 10m and the seabreeze is back :-)

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 511 posts
19 Aug 2017 12:43PM
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Don't try and pop at the same time as you sending the kite to 12. In many cases you don't even need to send the kite at all. Just go downwind for a.few seconds to gain speed and then suddenly turn up wind. At that moment is when you send the kite hard to 12 and pop off the water. Think of trying to tension the lines as much as you can before the actual pop. Slack lines are your enemy when boosting. Landing, that's a different story.

eppo
WA, 6326 posts
19 Aug 2017 11:08AM
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build line tension, single point of release of the line tension (well that is what it feels like anyway).

Send, Edge, Release.

Feel it, don't think it.

Single point of energy release.

Simple.

cauncy
WA, 5508 posts
19 Aug 2017 2:57PM
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eppo said..




build line tension, single point of release of the line tension (well that is what it feels like anyway).

Send, Edge, Release.

Feel it, don't think it.

Single point of energy release.

Simple.


Works on the missus

single point energy release

although not as simple

wishy
WA, 1196 posts
19 Aug 2017 9:39PM
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I could write a bunch of crap, or just paste Darren's old boosting essay that will probably help you more:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Newbies-Tips-Tricks/How-to-get-HUGE-AIR

mowingthelawn
QLD, 230 posts
20 Aug 2017 5:33PM
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NorthernKitesAUS said..
Don't try and pop at the same time as you sending the kite to 12. In many cases you don't even need to send the kite at all. Just go downwind for a.few seconds to gain speed and then suddenly turn up wind. At that moment is when you send the kite hard to 12 and pop off the water. Think of trying to tension the lines as much as you can before the actual pop. Slack lines are your enemy when boosting. Landing, that's a different story.


Dont listen to guys who cant jump such as lofty

kiteflo
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20 Aug 2017 5:44PM
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mowingthelawn said..

NorthernKitesAUS said..
Don't try and pop at the same time as you sending the kite to 12. In many cases you don't even need to send the kite at all. Just go downwind for a.few seconds to gain speed and then suddenly turn up wind. At that moment is when you send the kite hard to 12 and pop off the water. Think of trying to tension the lines as much as you can before the actual pop. Slack lines are your enemy when boosting. Landing, that's a different story.



Dont listen to guys who cant jump such as lofty


or guys who just mowingthelawn ?

thanks for all the input, will just try to feel the right moment then as I already edge, send and pop. was just wondering if there is a 'perfect' spot for the kite to sit in when popping.

Plummet
3956 posts
20 Aug 2017 6:04PM
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If your punching 8m you have it sorted. Now find the conditions and you will punt 10+

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1496 posts
21 Aug 2017 6:04PM
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Kiteflobro

Go back a step..
Learn how to load and pop powered, several times in a row with the kite at 45 degrees. Do not move the kite!
See how quickly you can pop the board for max height.
This will teach you board release timing without over or underloading.

Once you get that down, then start using the kite... you will feel the line tension coincide with the board release and understand what timing is.

Its why some kiters can jump quite high in bugger all wind with No ramps..
Wear a thick impact vest n helmet till you got it together..

eppo
WA, 6326 posts
22 Aug 2017 1:27PM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Kiteflobro

Go back a step..
Learn how to load and pop powered, several times in a row with the kite at 45 degrees. Do not move the kite!
See how quickly you can pop the board for max height.
This will teach you board release timing without over or underloading.

Once you get that down, then start using the kite... you will feel the line tension coincide with the board release and understand what timing is.

Its why some kiters can jump quite high in bugger all wind with No ramps..
Wear a thick impact vest n helmet till you got it together..


This is great advice.

Fly on da wall
WA, 493 posts
22 Aug 2017 5:52PM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Kiteflobro

Go back a step..
Learn how to load and pop powered, several times in a row with the kite at 45 degrees. Do not move the kite!
See how quickly you can pop the board for max height.
This will teach you board release timing without over or underloading.

Once you get that down, then start using the kite... you will feel the line tension coincide with the board release and understand what timing is.

Its why some kiters can jump quite high in bugger all wind with No ramps..
Wear a thick impact vest n helmet till you got it together..


This advice is spot on. It's about being powered up and having speed and a little bear away then loading and popping with control, then a small kite tweak..i.e., input and you'll launch,,especially if you time all of the above off a ramp/wave you'll be doing a lot more than swinging under your kite n doing a dangly thang...
Some board's n kites help this process cause you're talking wAke style now.. Not mow mode..??#notforpussies??

kiteflo
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23 Aug 2017 9:58AM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Kiteflobro

Go back a step..
Learn how to load and pop powered, several times in a row with the kite at 45 degrees. Do not move the kite!
See how quickly you can pop the board for max height.
This will teach you board release timing without over or underloading.

Once you get that down, then start using the kite... you will feel the line tension coincide with the board release and understand what timing is.

Its why some kiters can jump quite high in bugger all wind with No ramps..
Wear a thick impact vest n helmet till you got it together..


thanks, will try that for a while and see how I go. can somebody please turn on the wind?

cbulota
WA, 1095 posts
23 Aug 2017 10:26AM
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You've got some great advice. I agree with SaveTheWhales in a way that most of the time board skills are to blame for a lack of boosting height.

I took me a while to understand this, but it's always better to sacrifice a bit of board speed if it leads to better board control and an aggressive pop before take-off. If your aim is to get 10m+ jumps then you really need very strong winds (at least 25 knots) and be used to riding overpowered with excellent board control.

Look closely at every big jump video, the last few frames before take off, how much the board is pointing UPWIND. This is the ''pop'' that will give you the extra vertical height you want. The majority of intermediate riders take off with little to NO pop, with the board not pointing any further upwind than your usual direction of travel.

You can measure the quality of your ''pop'' by how high you're able to jump using the advice from SaveTheWhales, i.e. not sending the kite AT ALL. Also the more water you're able to spray off your board, the more aggressive your edging is and the higher you will go.

I'm not gonna say this is perfect by any means, but this is what my stance looks like in the last second before take-off for a 10m-ish jump in 30 knots, flat water.


Timing is critical and difficult to achieve perfectly and consistently between each jump.

What really helps my students the most is video analysis. At some point you need to watch closely what you're doing, frame-by-frame. At your current level, it's about small details that can make a BIG difference. But until you can visualize and understand what those small details are you may just be repeating the same mistakes over again.

Christian

weebitbreezy
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1 Sep 2017 4:39PM
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NorthernKitesAUS said..
Don't try and pop at the same time as you sending the kite to 12. In many cases you don't even need to send the kite at all. Just go downwind for a.few seconds to gain speed and then suddenly turn up wind. At that moment is when you send the kite hard to 12 and pop off the water. Think of trying to tension the lines as much as you can before the actual pop. Slack lines are your enemy when boosting. Landing, that's a different story.


WAT????

Try to tension the lines (This I agree with) ......by bearing off (something that will reduce line tension). Not sure?

You want maximum line tension and a strong enough board edge to control the power as you send the kite. The bearing off that you see wakestyle riders perform is to give them enough line slack to unhook. You don't want to be doing that. If you can't ride along at maximum speed without needing to head downwind - try a bigger kite.

The pop in big boosts is more a feeling of releasing the edge explosively - and is subtly different from a wakestyle pop where the kite isn't trying to lift you as vertically. Whilst travelling at full speed, send the kite as fast as possible a couple of times but keep your edge dug in hard. This will help you understand the point at which the kite stops flying. You need to release your edge close to the point where the kite hits the zenith. That should help you understand where to jump.

Your next bit is to work on edging. You see plenty of people who don't keep the board edge fully engaged as they turn upwind during the pop. You can get reasonable height if you let your weight fall back on your board as you edge upwind but you'll lose height as you'll be bleeding off line tension. You want to work on keeping the front rail engaged right up until the point you jump. This is why some coaches (Lewis Crathern for example) start you with exercises where you carve upwind to come to a halt. Its a good way to practice the upwind turn whilst keeping the rail fully engaged. The wakestyle pop (mentioned above) with the kite stationary is a good way to practice the coordination of movements - but you'll need to modify your board release to keep that front edge engaged if you want maximum height.

cauncy
WA, 5508 posts
1 Sep 2017 7:55PM
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INTHELOOP said..


mowingthelawn said..



NorthernKitesAUS said..




cbulota said..
....using the advice from SaveTheWhales, i.e. not sending the kite AT ALL.


Christian







That's what I also said!

"...Don't try and pop at the same time as you sending the kite to 12. In many cases you don't even need to send the kite at all."

Humph





Lofty. Unless you can do it dont give advice on it.
i.e no lofty advice on jumping, riding upwind,kite loops,unhooking




So worth it having a look after few months of SB to find the same kook still trolling on a daily basis...Ill take a photo when Fernando aka lofty aka northern kites aka all the other accounts Laurie shut down over years.. is again in the sand dunes after trying to launch his panch kite..@mowingthelawn you sound like a cool dude lets have a beer after next session in Townsville
Boosting technique- just send it- the longer you can hold that edge the higher you go! Small kites ride faster, big kites go slower..The bigger kite you can hold the more you fly. Best kites for boosting i have used is 10m Neo and 9m Edge. Northing goes bigger than 11m foilkite on 15m lines in 30knots with a hydrofoil yewww



The Neo
dude you need to get on more kites
and your talking shidt you never get 30 knots in Queersland



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