Kite Incident off Swanbourne

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jeremy
jeremy
WA
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21 Nov 2007 12:41am
I went down to Swanbourne at 630pm this evening for a quick kite before sunset. I noticed down the beach 1-2kms in the City beach direction a kite 500m out looping low to the water. The wind direction was due South and the Kiter appeared in trouble and if anything was going further out to sea. I hadn't rigged my kite by this stage. A fellow kiter on a 10m flysurfer who was rigged up and had been kiting earlier took off to assist. Another kite appeared down there assisting. I thought it best if i drove down the beach , and contact emergency services if necessary, and drive the kiters back if needed. I contacted the police who wanted more information as to there whereabouts. This was about 750pm. I looked from the scarborough beach car park and also the Brighton street car park where two kiters who had come in said they hadnt seen them come past. I went back to City Beach car park and saw two kites flapping on the water 600m out. The flysurfer was launching and crashing. A red kite was on the water. I contacted the police and was getting changed ready to go out myself when a car pulled into the car park and a guy informed me that the two kiters had abandoned their kites and come in . One had been in the water for 2 hrs possibly. Both were taken to hospital. I hope they are both alright. If anyone knows the kiter who flys the flysurfer please get him to message me and I have a kite he can borrow.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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21 Nov 2007 2:47am
Pardon my ignorance but how did the kites get further out to sea on a 20 knot cross on shore breeze.

EDIT: To address the negative rating I didn't mean it in a negative way just trying to work out how it happened, sometimes just going through the entire situation like you were in it helps think about the appropriate action. First thing I thought was the wind would have been cross on-shore I was wrong. Second thing, why the QR didnt work.
jeremy
jeremy
WA
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21 Nov 2007 1:28am
The breeze was pretty much due South , that is parallel to the shore. The kite in trouble was looping wildly , presumably lines tangled or pulled in more on one side so it had a tendency to be going out to sea . The main direction of travel of the kite in trouble was basically north - nnw , certainly not looking like coming into shore. I didn't see what happened when the flysurfer got to the kiter as i was in the car looking for them by that stage.
fver
fver
WA
453 posts
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21 Nov 2007 1:52am
Hi Jeremy,

Some clarifications. I was flying the yellow 10 m Flysurfer tonight.

I landed my kite at Swannie at the end of the session when a fellow kiter pointed out a red kite deathlooping approximately 3 km's downwind. I saw a yellow kite going towards the kite and I thought that with 2 kiters, it should be relatively easy to help.

I launched and sprinted downwind towards both kites.

At mid course, the yellow kite was no longer flying, but i could still see the red kite death looping.

I reached the kiter dragged by the loopping red kite after possibly 10 minutes, maybe longer, off City Beach.
The yellow kite was tangled with the red kite. No sign of the kiter on the yellow kite.

I gave my knife to the kiter on the red kite, he cut his lines and freed both kites, and I dragged him back to the beach.

The kiter on the yellow kite swam back to the beach after his kite got tangled with the looping red kite.

Both red and yellow kites kept their courses downwind offshore.

Another fellow kiter took care of the three of us, all exhausted and drove us back to Swannie.
The kiter on the red kite was driven to the emergencies.

Spacemonkey, at this time, the wind was cross shore without any on shore component. The kite and kiter were definitely slightly going off shore.

Jeremy, thanks for keeping an eye on us, and for the offer of lending a kite. The person who sacrified his yellow kite to help might accept the offer.


Please assist if you see someone in distress. There is an happy end this time and that what's important. Get well soon to the red kiter!

Good winds,

Fred




fozzy
fozzy
SA
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21 Nov 2007 10:21am
fver,

Great work my man. Would have been very easy to see two kites and figure that they will work it out for themselves. Based on the fact the guy you rescued was admitted to hospital gives a real indication of what could have occurred had you not helped out. You should feel very good about what you did. Again, good on ya.
jeremy
jeremy
WA
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21 Nov 2007 8:59am
Well done 007 ...You did really well. I am going to carry a knife to cut the lines in future. Never thought much about carrying a knife before but having seen yesterdays incident and heard your feedback ..it speaks for itself. I look forward to watching your epic jumps on your flysurfer and likewise i hope the red kiter makes a quick recovery.


Jeremy
Unchained
Unchained
WA
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21 Nov 2007 9:38am
myself and kitecrazzzy were down at swanny until about 430-5ish and there was noone else down there.
Its always great to hear that if you are in trouble people do come and help, makes you feel alot safer when kiting in the ocean. Well done.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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21 Nov 2007 11:11am
Did you find out what caused the kite to start death looping? Also the guy couldnt unhook and pull QR if he had the time to grab the knife off you and use it? Not blaming anyone just curious. Top effort on the rescue.
bobjaan
bobjaan
WA
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21 Nov 2007 9:44am
How come the lines needed to be cut, could he not pull his second safety and get rid of the rig altogether????
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
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21 Nov 2007 9:59am
Hey Guys,

Top work to Jeremy and Fver, sounds like an eventful afternoon, good stuff to all involved in the rescue. It's in these stronger winds that stuff can go wrong and a looping kite with a hapless rider is something that needs attention, especially that late in the afternoon.

We also rescued a rather concerned kiter who's strut had gone down causing his kite to invert, bowtie and get seriously tangled. He was about 1km out off Pinnaroo and once his kite went down and he couldn't self rescue due to the mess the canopy was in, we decided to launch the boat when we started having difficulty in keeping his kite in visual. 15min later we had the kite, board and rider back on the beach, half and hour later we were all drinking a few cold beers courtesy of the rescued rider and new friends were made.

Moral of the story is to keep an eye out on other riders whilst you are out there and render assistance when you can. Don't just assume someone else will offer to help. At the end of the rescue, you will feel all warm and fuzzy inside and you'll more than likely be compensated with liquid kiting currency

Good winds and speedy recovery to the red kiter and condolences for the red and yellow kiters loss. And thanks for the beers Steve

Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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21 Nov 2007 10:14am
Any hints on where the kites are........
It would be great to get a free kite...i mean, get the kites back to the owners.

But good work fellas. Remember, never go out further than you are willing to swim. And be careful.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
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21 Nov 2007 10:32am
Congrats for the rescue effort guys ,
I too am wondering why he couldn't use the QR or unhook, perhaps one or more of the lines was caught on the harness or something and there was to much load on the lines.
I have only been kiting for a year or so and am definetly no expert so stand to be corrected but I had an experience similar to this ie on a self launch one rear line got caught around the wing tip and the kite came up looping. I let go of the bar and nothing happened, still looping and dragging me along the beach. I was ready but reluctant to pull the QR just yet as there was people downwind, I managed to pull like $*#@ on one of the front lines above the bar and this depowered the kite enough to stop it.
So I am wondering if this might be the best course of action if you are caught in this situation, of course it takes a bit of strength and would have to be done early before the lines are too twisted?
Or is the risk of getting your hand tangled in the lines to great?
P.S. because I like to kite in the waves one of my biggest fears is getting rolled in your lines in the surf, so I have two knives attached to my harness.
kitecrazzzy
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WA
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21 Nov 2007 11:30am
good work jeremy and fver + im sure more were involved.
would be nice to find out the full story as to why it happened and who it was as well.

your emergency release [the one on your leash] is so important and this goes to show why.
also all your contact details should be on your kite so in the case of some one finding it out to sea they can call and make sure there not starting a search for some one whos already at home.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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21 Nov 2007 12:17pm
Top work to all concerned for even noticing this situation.

Just two days ago I pulled my knife out of my daggy old bump n jump vest to check it. I have noticed less and less folks wearing vests/helmets etc and I doubt if many at all carry a knife. In a situation like this, without the knife, the outcome may have been 3 dudes all tangled and up the creek!

Again top work fellas.

Anyone want to chip in $10 or so for the (attempted) rescuer's replacement? seems a real shame for a good effort to be punished...

Laurie can you marshall this?
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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21 Nov 2007 12:24pm
Yeah I'm all for putting in a coupla bucks to go towards a replacement. Lets get this sorted.
Could we set up an account, for willing people to transfer money into? Or do banks not allow this.
Oakie
Oakie
WA
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21 Nov 2007 1:00pm
I was actually hanging out in Charlie G's ED yesterday evening (as you do) after a wee accident involvenig a submerged rock and I saw 2 guys with wetties come in looking pretty shaken, I guessed you might be kiters, I hope you fellas are okay and recupertating well.

Its only when event like this arise do I pay attention to certain important aspects of safety - when was the last anybody checked out the conidtion of thier hook knife?? I dont even know if mine's in my harness anymore. Will do tonight though.

Well done to the lads involved with the rescue, that in itself can be a brave move if its starting to get late. Top marks.


Saffer
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21 Nov 2007 3:03pm
I'm also prepared to chip in money
fver
fver
WA
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21 Nov 2007 1:27pm
Hi All,

I can not clarify too much about the cause of the looping kite.

The kiter could barely speak after the rescue and the cause of the accident is not clear to me.

I understood that some lines got caught in his safety system or his harness, which initiated the looping. He did pull the safety release. However, after some time kitelooping, the rider was too exhausted to do anything else than following the kite and hoping for the leading edge to burst.

It would be better to let the red kiter speak about this.

***
Red Kiter, I hope that you will get better soon.

Happy to help, and so happy to found you councious when I reached you


Fred
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
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21 Nov 2007 1:49pm
Another heartwarming story from 'fver'.
Nice work Fred - and the other heros of the day. Sounds like this was a very close call.
Reckon we all need this sort of wake-up call every now & again.
Hope all the kitestores have plenty of knives in stock.
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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21 Nov 2007 1:53pm
Holy frijoles!!

having been thrown around like a rag doll a few times, it doesn't take long to go limp and be struggling to release.. poor bugger. Having a knife may have given him something else to try.

Can WAKSA maybe organise a kitty for the rescuer's kite?
rusty7
rusty7
QLD
504 posts
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21 Nov 2007 4:10pm
Good work guys ...... i be happy to chip in also. having been rescued once before by a fellow kiter i can certainly identify with this. I never thought of carrying a knife in case some else needs it either but I will do in future. How do we contribute.
theottoman20
theottoman20
WA
1 posts
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21 Nov 2007 5:02pm
Afternoon all, myself and my girlfriend were wandering along floreat beach when we saw the kites about 600+m offshore, after a deciding that the kiters were still attached by the way the kites kept launching and crashing we asked the Floreat surf club guys for some help. They launched an IRB and chased down the kites right on dark. Said they found the red kite with no-one attached and no sign of the yellow kite. They returned after dark after chasing almost to Sorrento I would say! We were glad to hear from the water ploice that they had heard about the incident and that both people were believed onshore and safe. Good effort by the Floreat guys who were conducting raining. Cheers
dizne
dizne
QLD
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21 Nov 2007 6:04pm
I'll chip-in some $ - no worries!
snowflake
snowflake
WA
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21 Nov 2007 5:20pm
Glad to hear everyone pulled up OK. So everyone is aware the Surf Rescue 'RIB' also went out to search for the distressed kiters. A few people at Floreat Beach were becoming concerned for the kiters and asked at the Surf Club to help out. On this occasion (as it was well after patrol period) there just happened to be a group doing their First Aid Certificates late at the Club and immediately set about to launch the RIB and search for the kiters. By the time the RIB was launched the sun was below the horizon and the kites (could not tell anymore if the kiters had ditched their kites or not), were way off Scarborough. The ranger and police were called and eventually all the stories integrated to reveal that almost certainly the kiters had made it ashore and were being taken to hospital. In the meantime runners set off down the beach, the Ranger turned up and the guys in the RIB found the discarded kites. One of the rescuers in the RIB lost his prescription glasses on the first wave through the breakers – snapped clean off. By the time the RIB was back ashore it was close to 9pm and the first aid group still had an exam to sit! A big thank you needs to go out to the “First Aid’ group at the Floreat Surf Club as well as the few spectators trying to raise the alarm. It shows how easy it is to get into trouble – that’s life; but also that there are many people willing to help when needed. Keep kiting and keep helping out
trevor1
trevor1
WA
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21 Nov 2007 5:23pm
May I respectfully suggest WAKSA contact Floreat Surf Livesaving to touch base and express appreciation, etc ...
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
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21 Nov 2007 7:44pm
Did they get the kites back then?
See, the clubbies arent always that bad
jeremy
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WA
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21 Nov 2007 9:28pm
Trevor.. I was unaware that the Floreat Surf Life Saving Club had participated searching for the kiters. I am on the WAKSA committee and we will certainly be contacting them and expressing our appreciation. This whole episode has raised questions in my mind as to how one of these emergencies is best dealt with. Every location is different. I actually informed the Police at 8pm that we had heard the kiters were on there way to hospital and that the kites had been abandoned at sea. I wonder when the Surf Life Saving club initiated there search.
I will bring the matter up with WAKSA. Just floating a few ideas ..perhaps the kiting community , thru WAKSA needs a closer relationship with the surf clubs. Maybe we need one co ordinating contact ...maybe Fremantle sea rescue or at least one nominated person/ organisation to contact in an emergency.
surfoil66
surfoil66
NSW
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21 Nov 2007 11:50pm
fver - you are a legend - great story of self sacrifife to an unknown person but just a fellow kiter. the other guy is too he just needed saving in the end as end. imagine their untimely end had you not appeared. surely they'd be halfway to Christmas Island. moral of the story , carry a knife.... save yourself and goodbye to your kite on cross off days...
jquigley
jquigley
WA
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21 Nov 2007 10:32pm
Plaudits to the Surf Lifesavers who helped out and to the Surf Lifesaving Association in general.

I did a Senior First Aid course recently and one of the guys doing the course had been involved in writing the policies and procedures for kite rescues by surf lifesavers. So me figures there must be some formal training and stuff that they do for these situations.

Thought that may be of interest to you Jeremy.

J-P
trevor1
trevor1
WA
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21 Nov 2007 11:16pm
Another day, another couple of kites ...

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32469
fver
fver
WA
453 posts
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22 Nov 2007 12:12am
Please note that I was carrying a HOOK KNIFE with me. It might seems obvious but I ve been asked a few times tonight.

fred
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