Kite Size - 105kg begginer

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Dan Freene
Dan Freene
NSW
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NSW, 1 posts
1 Nov 2006 5:46pm

I have been windsufing for years and am looking to try kite surfing. What size kite should I buy for the Sydney/Botany area? I figure to start, I would get one bigger kite for light wind days, with a view to owning 2 kites. I weigh 100- 105kg. The wind range is 10 - 30 knots. Most commonly around 12 knots, thus the need for a light wind kite. As far as boards go, I am looking for one board to cover all conditions. I want to get upwind, and jump.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Dan Freene
Sydney.
sleek1
sleek1
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
1 Nov 2006 6:22pm
when i started i was about your weight and if your on a budget a 12 metre c kite is all you will need. i had a 13 fuel and a 140 board. you wont want anything bigger than a 12 no matter how light it is. have a lesson but they will try 2 sell u new age bow crap 4 sure. tell em u want a c and u only want 1 lesson. if you have loads of money disregard this post.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
1 Nov 2006 5:58pm
a couple of points, Dan.

Don't stress too much about kite size to start with as the usual progression is start with big board and small kite.

then pick appropriate wind to prectice in.

as you get better you will get a bigger kite and a smaller board.

then the first small kite will become a higher wind kite and your first big board will become your light wind board.

Windsurfers usually target the lighter winds to kite in and windsurf in the good stuff. So with this in mind your quiver will tend to be on the large size of average, your wieght also pushes you in this direction.
So a good start maybe a 12m kite and 150cm board but at least 40cm wide, and aim for the 15-20kts of wind. then later you could add a 15-16m kite and 130ish board.

Oh! I assume you're getting lessons, I hear if you wait outside some Gay toilets near Dolls point long enough, a kiteshop owner will approach you and give directions to...........
slyfox
slyfox
VIC
324 posts
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1 Nov 2006 7:27pm
quote:
Originally posted by sleek1

when i started i was about your weight and if your on a budget a 12 metre c kite is all you will need. i had a 13 fuel and a 140 board. you wont want anything bigger than a 12 no matter how light it is. have a lesson but they will try 2 sell u new age bow crap 4 sure. tell em u want a c and u only want 1 lesson. if you have loads of money disregard this post.



to paraphrase sleek, if you have loads of (actually any) sense disregard sleeks post.

at your weight and those wind speeds a 12 metre will be bloody useless, you'll want at least a 14, and i'd imagine a 16 would make a lot more sense.

bows are not new age or crap, one 16 metre bow is probably the perfect solution for you.

the only thing sleek said that made an ounce of sense is to get a first board of around 140cm.
tex
tex
NSW
46 posts
tex tex
NSW, 46 posts
1 Nov 2006 8:14pm
Dan,
I am about the same size.
i first started on a 12m kite and 155 twin tip board, it was a good combo but i soon was looking for a bigger kite and brought a 16.5m. I hated sitting on the beach watching my mates.
sleek1
sleek1
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
1 Nov 2006 9:18pm
like i said if your on a budget get a c kite
Hurley
Hurley
ACT
98 posts
ACT, 98 posts
1 Nov 2006 10:38pm
A 12m wouldn't cut it - if you planning on getting out in anything under 20kts. Your going to need at least a 14m (but for 12kts the bigger the better '16m') .....if your on a budget just look for modern C kites from 2005 era...anything older is just a waste of time for a beginner.

Get a large fat board 140ish is perfect
chopper
chopper
QLD
37 posts
QLD, 37 posts
2 Nov 2006 12:15am
Don't buy anything but 16m they may be a bit slower but when you are over 90kg you need that size kite. Otherwise you will spend too much time trying to move the kite around to get some power. Find someone who can teach you the basics and keep with them whilst you progress.
Good luck!
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
2 Nov 2006 7:13am
quote:
Originally posted by Dan Freene


I have been windsufing for years and am looking to try kite surfing. Dan Freene
Sydney.



The key word here is "TRY".

And he gets all this advise on starting with a 16m kite for use on a small bay surrounded by buildings and trees.

Dan, you need to crawl before you walk. and you need to think safe, and you need lessons.

If you were my student, you would be told to not even bother looking for kit until you could get up on a board.
qfmike737
qfmike737
QLD
398 posts
QLD, 398 posts
2 Nov 2006 7:59am
14m North Rebel!
14m Boxer SLE!
kurt
kurt
QLD
177 posts
QLD, 177 posts
2 Nov 2006 9:29am
There's heaps of good kit out there.

Get riding first as Ral suggests, and try out all you can before you commit to any gear.

And, don't take any advice on the net over hands on advice at the beach from regular riders.

In saying that though and being biased, go a Waroo 13m
carbine
carbine
WA
1450 posts
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2 Nov 2006 9:40am
quote:
Originally posted by RAL INN

quote:
Originally posted by Dan Freene


I have been windsufing for years and am looking to try kite surfing. Dan Freene
Sydney.



The key word here is "TRY".

And he gets all this advise on starting with a 16m kite for use on a small bay surrounded by buildings and trees.

Dan, you need to crawl before you walk. and you need to think safe, and you need lessons.

If you were my student, you would be told to not even bother looking for kit until you could get up on a board.


that way we can pump them for like 6 lessons before we bend them over.
kiteodyssey
kiteodyssey
QLD
17 posts
QLD, 17 posts
2 Nov 2006 11:46am
The best thing you can do is go to wherever you are going to ride and ask a local what size kite you should buy!
If you are going to start with one kite you definetly need something bigger than a 12 if the main wind is 10-20kn. im 94kg and spend 85% of my time on a 16.
learning on a 14-16m kite is a little easier too because they dont move so fast and have more grunt. Which means less aggressive movements with the kite.
make sure you talk to the locals before buying anything...
good luck and enjoy!
slyfox
slyfox
VIC
324 posts
VIC, 324 posts
2 Nov 2006 12:56pm
quote:
Originally posted by carbine

..that way we can pump them for like 6 lessons before we bend them over.




i couldn't agree more, some kite schools and their instructors spend longer training noobs than NASA spends training astronauts, shifty bastards. when i did my initial training they got me in a buggy for laps of the beach for god sake!
doppelganger
doppelganger
VIC
337 posts
VIC, 337 posts
3 Nov 2006 12:41am
quote:
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Originally posted by carbine

..that way we can pump them for like 6 lessons before we bend them over.

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Posted by Slyfox:

i couldn't agree more, some kite schools and their instructors spend longer training noobs than NASA spends training astronauts, shifty bastards. when i did my initial training they got me in a buggy for laps of the beach for god sake!

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I'm sure that was the consructive answers Dan was looking for.

Get down to the local spot and have a chat to some of the locals about good local schools/instructors, there's good and bad ones, like in most things.I actually started up on the board with lessons from Ral Inn at one of his clinic's, and didn't even have to bend over Kite clinic's (ie:full weekend ect) are a great way to start if possible and instructional dvd's are worthwhile imo.

Enjoy


slyfox
slyfox
VIC
324 posts
VIC, 324 posts
3 Nov 2006 8:05am
quote:
Originally posted by doppelganger

I'm sure that was the consructive answers Dan was looking for.



good job forum policeman, god only knows what would happen if humour or banter started to sneak into forum posts.
doppelganger
doppelganger
VIC
337 posts
VIC, 337 posts
3 Nov 2006 12:49pm
Humour and banter are fine, not to funny though if someone should buy a kite, turn up at a site and be given advise by a couple of cowboy's and things go wrong.

Been called lots of things, never a policeman, "Can I have a badge huh"

GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
3 Nov 2006 3:52pm
I weigh 105-110kg and it makes a difference. These midgets don't understand sometimes what 30 extra kilorgams does. A 14-16m would be the go, anything smaller and you're going to miss out on a lot of days.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
3 Nov 2006 5:06pm
Can I RE-point out that in Dan's case, he is about to start out.

For sure a 12m kite will be underpowered a lot of the time for someone his size. But he has to start and learn. The 12m will become his high wind kite.

Don't transpose your own perception of your own abilities to Dan.

I suppose all of you, advising on a 16m are owners of a 16m kite and that is your only kite.
Hardcarve1
Hardcarve1
QLD
550 posts
QLD, 550 posts
3 Nov 2006 6:01pm
I would advise against a 12m kite as well, all it will do is to force him into higher wind early on in his learning. Remember a heavier rider puts more load on the lines so a 80kg rider who rides a 12m in 15 knots does not understand what a 12m kite flys like to a 105kg rider in 20 knots.
Just get the 16m kite and stick with winds between 11 - 15 knots, and make sure you get a grunty kite you will need it to get through the lulls.
stamp
stamp
QLD
2800 posts
QLD, 2800 posts
3 Nov 2006 9:14pm
i bet you're glad you posted this question dan, i bet you're far less confused now
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
3 Nov 2006 11:07pm
p.s. I meant kilograms, not kilorgams.

RAL INN what do you weigh? Only persons 90-95kg or above should be posting in this thread.

Dan, get the 16. I learnt on a 17 and turned out fine, and it was my only kite for the first 6 months. Sure power is dangerous, but no power is a waste of time. If you start on a 12 that's what you'll be doing most of the time, sitting on the beach waiting for 20+ knot days. And if as you say it's mostly sub 15 you'll be cursing a 12m kite. For sure do your first lesson or two on a 12, learn safety and some basics with less power, but you're not going to progress at all if you can't get out of the water.
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
4 Nov 2006 7:49am
quote:
Originally posted by GreenPat

p.s. I meant kilograms, not kilorgams.

RAL INN what do you weigh? Only persons 90-95kg or above should be posting in this thread.

Dan, get the 16. I learnt on a 17 and turned out fine, and it was my only kite for the first 6 months. Sure power is dangerous, but no power is a waste of time. If you start on a 12 that's what you'll be doing most of the time, sitting on the beach waiting for 20+ knot days. And if as you say it's mostly sub 15 you'll be cursing a 12m kite. For sure do your first lesson or two on a 12, learn safety and some basics with less power, but you're not going to progress at all if you can't get out of the water.



Answer = 94kg+wetsuit+harness+fsh&chips&beer.

I like the "sure power is dangerous" bit.

Of course if Dan went and had a few lessons first and didn't bother buying until he could get up on a board, he would be making an imformed choice based on his own experience.
doppelganger
doppelganger
VIC
337 posts
VIC, 337 posts
4 Nov 2006 1:29pm
Dan, I've only ever tried windsurfing once and I suck at it, but kite surfing as apposed to wind surfing is a totally different animal. In wind surfing your learning the skill of board and sail at the same time and in kite surfing, it's 90% kite skills to start with, one factor being, you get separated from the board often in the early stages. You need good kite control to retrieve the board and the ability to body drag proficiently.

Best advise I could give: Get and instructional DVD to scope the basics, If you haven’t already done so, go down to your local spot and just watch and have a chat to the locals. When picking a kite school/ instructor, pick one that you can still use their gear (free of charge) to practice on once you've had your lesson(s)at the site.

After your initial lesson(s), you should know by that stage how you feel about your progress and what (or if) kite you should buy. I was a slow learner and advanced to quickly to the board in the early stages due to impatience, don’t make this mistake. Once you've had a lesson(s) and purchased a kite and turn up a site, have a chat to the locals and get the run down of the spot, explain your new and could they give you any pointers if your having difficulty's.


quote:
RAL INN what do you weigh? Only persons 90-95kg or above should be posting in this thread.



"It’s a sad day indeed", think I need to hand over my policeman’s badge. Forgive me Greenpat, I'm only 80 kg.


hilly
hilly
WA
8135 posts
WA, 8135 posts
5 Nov 2006 5:03pm
I am 110kg i started on a 13m (with no kite lessons - the forum police will now lecture me on how naughty I am) which in WA was about right. I now use a sonic 8m and 11m (about 13m C kite size) with a surfboard. I would need a bigger kite if I did not use a surfboard. My 2c worth.
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