Kite down in waves - Lessons?

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Fooosh
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5 Feb 2009 1:36am
I put my kite in the water (in front of a wave) at an offshore reefbreak on the weekend. Every time another wave came along and dragged it, I went under water a bit. Plus I was concerned about a wave breaking behind me, on my head... and where was that board?! Then it seemed as though one of the lines was broken / had come off and it started looping. It was also heading towards a jagged rocky island. Needless to say, I made it back... and thought I'd share some lessons I learnt! Feel free to add / comment...

1. Don't put your kite down in front of a wave

2. Get ready for the pull as a wave hits the kite - quick releases, hook knife, etc at ready. Try and plane on the surface / head upwards as you're pulled.

3. Don't sail upwind / 'upwave' of immovable sharp objects

4. Know your self rescue (search for technique elsewhere, get lessons - thankfully I did!)
a. Make sure you wind up all the lines and slack so no lines are drifting around you
b. Don't wind up the bridles, leash or chicken loop / depower (it makes untangling it really hard later!)
c. Attach your board somehow, it makes it a lot easier.
d. Deflate the LE partially and swim if not heading to shore (wind change, etc) or if about to collide with something (tow kite handsfree with leash whilst swimming)
e. It's difficult to see where you're going when being blown across the water
f. Put one leg on either side of the LE and climb on, on the lower half of the kite, before looping the upper half around by pulling on the bridle or handle - or it will all go pear-shaped or fly away from you!

5. Ensure the best possible chance of quick relaunch - practice, stopper high up, firm LE and struts (it'll go limp when wet and cooled, esp if inflated 'firm' on a hot day), adequate wind strength, etc

Funny but the lines were all intact when I checked later hence: check for (and free) a bar entanglement if possible, if kite is looping.

Some of my best knots yet...


davem207
davem207
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5 Feb 2009 4:28pm
Good to see everything worked out well for you, i always carry a spare leash krabed onto my harness, its just a 1 meter length of 1/2inch tubular tape with a karabiner on the end and a loop in the other end, wrapped up in a few rubber bands so its out of the way on my harness, first thing i do after pulling the safety on the kite is grab the line pull it out secure the board then i dont have to worry about it and have both hands free to start winding in those lines and i dont ever disconnect the kite leash, can also use the line to krab onto an injured kiter etc to rescue drag them to shore if needed. as you said, practice makes perfect with instruction, i only used it two days ago for a self rescue, a skill we should all practice every now and then.

have fun untangeling those lines!
getfunky
getfunky
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5 Feb 2009 2:52pm
Pfftt.. that is only a '2 beer' detangle at best Shan

Glad you didn't tear the cr@p out of your kite mate.
Fooosh
Fooosh
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6 Feb 2009 4:48am
Haha! Actually you were right GF. I just freaked when I couldn't get the bridle off!! A new dimension in detangling!

Thanks for the spare leash advice too Agent Smith - great idea lacky banding it up.

Any advice on CHECKING LINES after? I just ran all of them through my fingers slowly and they seemed intact. There were a few small kinks where the insides seem to swell the casing.

How do you know when it's time to replace them or they're going to break??
djanda
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15 Mar 2009 4:36pm
davem207 said...
i always carry a spare leash krabed onto my harness


Hey dave...great tip, but what sort of biner? is it an aluminium climbing biner ... i had one as part of a kayak towrope and it corroded shut... or do you lug around the heavy stainless yachting type?

cheers
db
davem207
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16 Mar 2009 4:34am
Mate, i just use an alloy snap gate, climbing type, but just deservice it after being in the water, ie rinse in fresh water and spray at bit of CRC etc on it, been fine for 3 years now, i obvioussly wont use it as a krab for a quick draw anymore but its fine for its use in this sport. hope that helps.
au_rick
au_rick
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16 Mar 2009 12:23pm
djanda said...

davem207 said...
i always carry a spare leash krabed onto my harness


Hey dave...great tip, but what sort of biner? is it an aluminium climbing biner ... i had one as part of a kayak towrope and it corroded shut... or do you lug around the heavy stainless yachting type?

cheers
db



love the new avatar mate, but Pauline says "it's not me" !
niall barrett
niall barrett
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16 Mar 2009 11:49pm
Here's a story

I did the same thing some years ago in 6 foot Margarets. Worse still I had a decided to put a leash on my board and in the tumble in the waves the board must have gone through the lines. I surfaced behind the wave and saw it was about to engulf the downed kite so I pulled the quick release and thought 'phew' only to be dragged deep under water by the board seconds later as the bar had jammed on the board after I released it. The wave dragged the kite which dragged the bar which dragged the board which dragged me ................by the foot.............which meant as i was trying to keep my head up, i was like the bib on a lure forcing me down, down to the bottom in about 12 foot of water. Crap [or something similar] thought I .....I am going to drown here unless I can release the leash .........but the force of water as I got dragged was such that I couldn't get to the velcro on the leash which happened to be one of those extra thick 'Teahupoo style' ones.

In what seemed like an eternity later [probably a few seconds in reality] the leash parted and i swam back to the surface.

The kite and the board all got washed in undamaged.

The lessons I learned were:

1. dont use a safety leash to the kite in serious waves. You and your kite are more likely to survive if you decide to part company for awhile.

2. Never wear a board leash. if youre board disappears....well it was only a board.

3. Beware side onshore winds as that is when you drop the kite in front of the wave and worse still the lip is then quite capable of throwing you on top of your lines then rolling you in them for good measure. In side off the kite uusllay falls in the channel

Also FOOSH it was interesting to hear you talk of deflating the LE and swimming the kite in from this offshore reef. Much better to have a kite pumped hard and use it to self rescue, By grabbing the front bridle rather than the tips you can get enough projected area to tow in at good rate.

Better still if you are accomapnied.....get a buddy to grab the LE of the kite and tow that in and grab another mate by the back of his harness ....put your feet on your surfboard and as he dives the kite stand up....... and you shoulld be able to tandem it back to shore.

This technique proved its worth to me in Manoa, Mauritius which is about 2 ks out and accompanied by an outward sucking reef pass. It saw me back to the beach in 10 minutes thanks to RRD riders Seb Catalan for the tow and Neal Gent for the kite rescue and the stiches in the hand .... I had actually held the kite leash for the tow and the carabiner on the end snagged my thumb / index web when I let go at the end.
Beer Bong
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17 Mar 2009 10:07am
Wicked story Niall.

But now another can of worms - no safety leash. Smells like WaveSlave
tightlines
tightlines
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17 Mar 2009 2:07pm
Beer Bong said...

Wicked story Niall.

But now another can of worms - no safety leash. Smells like WaveSlave


He is not advocating using no leash at normal populated beachs, but for serious waves, which are usually well offshore.
waveslave
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17 Mar 2009 3:52pm
Beer Bong said...

Wicked story Niall.

But now another can of worms - no safety leash. Smells like WaveSlave


The term 'safety leash' is pure Industry spin-doctoring.
Don't be fooled.
The Industry likes to refer to kite-leashes as <safety leashes>.
Why ?
Because the word 'safety' implies positive connotations.
I like to call them for what they really are......death-leashes.
The simple fact is that kite-leashes have been the primary cause of death in some unfortunate incidents.
When you have a situation where the rider is positively leashed to an out-of-control, fully powered-up rogue kite....
the term 'safety' is laughable.
lol.
Fooosh
Fooosh
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17 Mar 2009 6:08pm
niall barrett said...


Also FOOSH it was interesting to hear you talk of deflating the LE and swimming the kite in from this offshore reef. Much better to have a kite pumped hard and use it to self rescue, By grabbing the front bridle rather than the tips you can get enough projected area to tow in at good rate.



Thanks for the good story - always keen to learn from others' experiences. Just to clarify, I did 'sail' most of the way in. You can get some decent cross-wind bearing like Niall said. I dumped the valve only nearer shore when I was drifting into some moored boats / going more parallel to shore.

This post was a personal account, in addition to the 'known self-rescue technique' which is available elsewhere, and which I'd encourage everyone to be familiar with / practice.
Fooosh
Fooosh
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17 Mar 2009 6:16pm
waveslave said...

Beer Bong said...

Wicked story Niall.

But now another can of worms - no safety leash. Smells like WaveSlave


The term 'safety leash' is pure Industry spin-doctoring.
Don't be fooled.
The Industry likes to refer to kite-leashes as <safety leashes>.
Why ?
Because the word 'safety' implies positive connotations.
I like to call them for what they really are......death-leashes.
The simple fact is that kite-leashes have been the primary cause of death in some unfortunate incidents.
When you have a situation where the rider is positively leashed to an out-of-control, fully powered-up rogue kite....
the term 'safety' is laughable.
lol.




My safety setup is not suicide (attached to the chicken loop) - ie, it does 'fully' depower the kite. The kite was 'killed' after I pulled the chicken loop quick release.

I will continue using it because of where I kite. I get washed into the channel so I'm not exposed to ongoing surf. Then I still have flotation to self rescue (I'm still on a twin tip).

I also have a quick release at my end of the leash and on my harness plus a double bladed hook knife which I think reduces the risk further.

Bottom line is: I've made a careful consideration of my risks / options / equipment before making these decisions, and I'd encourage everyone to do so too. There is no one Gospel Truth (at least not on this post!) Cheers for sharing your thoughts.
waveslave
waveslave
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17 Mar 2009 9:27pm
niall barrett said...

1. dont use a safety leash to the kite in serious waves. You and your kite are more likely to survive if you decide to part company for awhile.



Niall is a seasoned local ripper and he knows the business of wavekiting. ^^^
I've been exposing the myth of kite-leashes on this forum for many years now.
It's gratifying to read Niall's suggestion to not use a kite-leash in waves.
Expressing such an opinion on a kitesurfing forum would have been blasphemy not so long ago.
Death-leashes are not sacred things.....
they are just stupid pieces of rope that you don't want.
Free yourself and ride.

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