Funny you mention this. I was down there a week ago and a guy on a Cabrina came upto me a stated that this was an advanced area and not for beginners. I had been getting air all afternoon. The wind was about 17kts and increasing and it was early afternoon. Nobody was in the area except me. As i did a run I lost my edge and stopped on the sand. An honest mistake..lol. This guy launched and I was waited to let him pass when he came over and stated his opinion. Im a passive guy but giving attitude down there won't benefit anyone! If I try a trick and stuff up and I disadvantage someone else then I acknowledge them and give a signal to indicate I stuffed up. It doesn't take much. Lets not be too precious we are all there to enjoy this great sport.

Hmmm losers are everywhere just get a few boys together and tell him to advance this .............lol

Advanced does not mean that they don't need to take due care!!!
It is every kiters responsibility to avoid crashing into all other kiters and water users, so the guy that hit you must have been at least 50% to blame eh?

If he landed on a guy in a kayak, is he still going to tell the kayaker the area is for advanced kiters? Not likely. And the "advanced" kiter would definitely be in the wrong too.

By your description, it sounds like the other rider was being careless, and really should take responsibility for landing on you.
Basically he should have waited a few seconds longer before boosting, or redirected in the air and trasitioned or completed a sacrificial crash! :-)

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

dave...... said...

HE was jumping. HE is liable. PERIOD.

Too true , thats the way it's gotta be

user said...

There are some spots (this is one of them I think) where it is the general rule that a particular area is used for "tricks".

General rule? Who's rules are those? Could you copy and paste that from the rule book and also a link to your rule book please. Also paste a copy of which areas are for you "Advanced people". From what I see down the beach there are a bunch of less advanced monkeys (evolution plays a part) beating their chests with a bit too much testosterone flowing; if they are not good enough to not go flying into someone else's lines maybe they should read your rule book and move back to the beginners area!

Damn right he should have offered to pay for it and apologised, sounds like a wally who needs to learn how to control his jumps. Is this going to turn into a surfing scenario where the "Locals" start to beat up the newbies?

I do agree that people should tell others the rule about if you are downwind keep you kite down and if you are upwind then keep it up. No problem with good advice being given

advanced area??? thesres probably only about 3 or 4 advanced riders in all of melbourne! let alone st.kilda. im pretty sure those claiming to be advanced riders arnt them either...

I love kite surfing in my country town, none of this stuff happens as we all know each other.... no near crashes on the public....can leave kite gear on back of utes in carpark... freedom to kite so many diff beaches.... beer after (sometimes before too ) a sesh..Do as you please what you please and have a few laughs after without the attitude that seems to get projected at crowded spots.... yup life is good as a kite surfer!

I think the dude jumping should pay for new lines, look before you jump its that simple and it is a general rule on ALL beaches that should be adhered too. Advance "progressive" riders still crash their kites!

Hope this guy gets an attitude re-adjustment and contacts you millsy to get it all sorted out.. A forums not the best place , but its a start!

Thats exactly what it was like here not that long ago
That was before peak hour ie, after 3.30 daily, weekends.
We have Show Pony Alley
Its amazing how advanced they get when
someone pulls out a camera!!
So if you want to keep your spot x a secret.
Don't post it on Kite Be-aches

Many thanks for the feedback. I have managed to get the guy's name. I did post this, hoping that we can remind ourselves about what this sport is all about.
Kitesurfing is dangerous enough already, even when we kite responsibly.
Wind's up!

wait till they crash then tell them its an Advanced area.. What a load of ****.

life is so fragile!

Far out in one spot the windsurfers tell you not to pump up your kite in "THEIR" area. In another kiters tell you to go to the noob beach! I thought this is Australia and the beaches are for everyone. Sounds more like a hardcore surfing movie. Where is the respect?

Just ask him which council bylaw that is in. If he drifted into you and you were pined to the beach he didn't take care me think.

The problem in St Kilda is that there can be over 50 kiters out within a 1km stretch. Beginners look towards the pier and see a nice 200m long shallow patch which would ideally suit them as they would only have to walk back through knee deep water, instead of along the beach. It is without doubt one of the premier spots on the bay (on its day). It can not handle a crowd however, I have kited out there with 10+ of us and it is not a problem as everyone can anticipate what the the other is doing, even if they launch into a trick or @#$% one up, the problem is you throw a noob in there and he keeps his kite at 12 o'clock, can't anticipate others, can't rapidly change direction, and all of a sudden 4 guys out there is crowded. A lot of crashes out there are caused by inexperienced kiters, it simply makes it dangerous.

The noobs have more attitude than the guys who have been kiting for years, this is one of the reasons i don't kite there anymore, other than the fact the water is rancid. Noobs will aprreciate this fact when they get more experience. And they will also enjoy their kiting more up there. I had a kite there on Sunday, had 2 run ins with noobs who gave attitude, what they were doing was dangerous to everyone around them, when I learnt I went to a beach with no one around, i did this until i became competent, i never put myself in a position of putting someone else in danger, let alone myself. The bay is massive, there are plenty of uncrowded beaches.

If you only just started surfing do you paddle out at Pipe or Wiamea? Do you paddle out to superbank with 80 guys out? Or do you ski down a double black first run? No? Why?


Bowski

Bowski is right...
I'm certainly no Ambassador for the area ...But I kite there a lot.
I've only been kiting a couple of years and I was smart enough not to go up the Ädvanced' end until I was riding with the speed and tack as the guys already there... - It is Dangerous in there with Just one person riding a different angle or speed. It ****s it up for all the other guys.

At times I've kited with more than five guys heading in each direction up that 200m stretch...Really close together. Everyone is fast... Some do tricks, others jumping - whatever - There's an understanding happening, the vibe is awesome and exciting...As long as everyone knows the rules and goes together its O.K and there is No problems with safety or attitude.

I got pulled aside and told the rules (Sternly) early on...By several...And Still do get told hard when you push it (safety) farther than U should...I cop it sweet...Thats life...

Get plenty of practice in up there on the **** days when no one else is around before you kite there - Go fast and follow downwind the Kite low rule, always exit downwind, alow space for **** ups ahead of you. (DON'T STOP when someone crashes ahead of you - THIS REALLY ****S IT ALL UP - just fade downwind if you cant get past upwind at full speed ) and I'm sure you will be welcomed as I was...Or maybee even better. Just Ignored...(ITs a good sign)

millsy said...

if there is a beginner in an area where you are kiting, it is the responsiblity of the more advanced rider to keep clear.

When I learnt it was the exact opposite, interesting how things have changed! Beginners should stay well clear of everyone else, as they have the least amoun t of control, that was my philosophy.

Bowski