Kite injury at Elliott Heads last year?

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mrbonk
mrbonk
NSW
483 posts
NSW, 483 posts
19 Apr 2007 7:32am
I just heard a rather disturbing story about a kiter who injured a member of the public at my local beach (Elliott Heads) last year. Apparently, the kiter crashed his kite on the beach and the lines fell across an elderly lady. She ended up being hospitalised with a large gash/slice (very deep I understand) on her arm from one of the lines The worst part is that, apparently, the kiter simply packed up and left, without even bothering to check to see if the lady was ok

Anyone know more about this? I'd be very interested to hear more specifics if someone witnessed this incident.
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
19 Apr 2007 8:46am
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If that's true then don't be surprised if kiters are banned from the area and any other beachs, where other councils hear about it.

I must admit my local does have young and old walking on the beach regularly. They have no idea of the dangers but seem to love watching, I always gesture to them to either stay and stand in a certain place or move on. If they get offended I'd rather that than put them in hospital or worse.

Hunt the culprit down and inflict pain on them. Slowly pull their finger nails out with pliers or something.

mrbonk
mrbonk
NSW
483 posts
NSW, 483 posts
19 Apr 2007 11:16am
I'd just like to know what happened, in case I ever get asked, or in case the council *does* find out about it and try to ban kiting.

The elderly lady in question apparently made no formal complaint about the incident and has since passed away, so it's unlikely anything will come of it, but it still sucks to think a kiter would injure someone and then just p!ss off without even so much as an apology
jt737
jt737
QLD
418 posts
QLD, 418 posts
19 Apr 2007 12:27pm
A few guys are heading up to Elliot Heads this Sunday 22nd. Where can you can kite or not there without the dangers of Old Ladies! Seriously all kiters should and need to be part of AKSA and be prepared to educate other kiters who do the wrong thing. It only takes a few to ruin it for all.
mrbonk
mrbonk
NSW
483 posts
NSW, 483 posts
19 Apr 2007 12:51pm
quote:
Originally posted by jt737

A few guys are heading up to Elliot Heads this Sunday 22nd. Where can you can kite or not there without the dangers of Old Ladies! Seriously all kiters should and need to be part of AKSA and be prepared to educate other kiters who do the wrong thing. It only takes a few to ruin it for all.



There's not normally many ppl hanging around at Elliott. Most go to Bargara instead. Where are you guys coming from?
ThreadJacker
ThreadJacker
WA
61 posts
WA, 61 posts
19 Apr 2007 12:18pm
Agreed, all kiters should be part of AKSA for insurance purposes....however here comes the bad news....check out how much we are actually insured for, for 3rd person injury....KN NOTHING, basically a ride in the meat wagon, a couple stitches and maybe a cup of coffee,if they want to sue you or are actually injuried and require hospital/ surgery, kiss your life good-bye. AKSA is fine if you trash their car or house, but knock them on the head and your FK'ed...
Flying Kiwi
Flying Kiwi
WA
258 posts
WA, 258 posts
19 Apr 2007 4:10pm
Hi Threadjacker,

Can you show me where in the AKSA policy it states that there is no personal injury cover? Both forms are found here http://www.aksa.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=29

If anybody has any questions about the AKSA policy contact [email protected] and they will be answered as soon as possible.

P.S I don't know about the incident mentioned, but I do know that AKSA has worked hard to get the best policy for kiters.

Cheers
Gav
ThreadJacker
ThreadJacker
WA
61 posts
WA, 61 posts
19 Apr 2007 9:42pm
Hi Gav,
Firstly, as stated I agree all kiters should be a member of AKSA as I am, however please correct me in any of my statements, as I may have been mis-informed or have read the insurance policy incorrectly...I am not a lawyer or would want to be.

1) Is it correct that if I hurt a fellow AKSA insured kiter(on the water or beach)I am not covered by AKSA insurance for personal or property damages, or for that matter any non-AKSA insured kiter

2) As stated on the AKSA website and on the insurance contract, link above. "Membership gives you $10m in 3rd Party Public Liability Insurance 24 hours a day, every day of the year whilst kiting anywhere within Australia",
Is this 10 mil only for third party property/ products or does it cover 3rd Party Personal Injury as well and how much???, as I can not see this clearly in either document....would really like to clear this one up...any lawyers out there!
I had heard on the grapevine, that the 3rd Party Personal Injury from this policy was only around 10-20K mark???? Stand to be corrected (hopefully as this seems way to low..hence my comments in previous post)basically I would like to know, if someone tried to land my kite, they got caught up in my lines, kite powers up, lops a couple of the poor dudes fingers off, and knocked them around a little....What am I covered for? Firstly medical costs, and then payment for loss of a couple fingers...what are they worth these days...maybe 7-10k a pop???? and any other legal fees that are following??? What am I covered for???

3)Another sore point, only insured in Australia...I understand this insurance is for the local kiting community and this would keep the premiums lower thus saving us all some $$$, however with kiting being classified as a extreme sport, I don't believe my normal travel insurance would cover me if I nailed someone in America who was sueing my a$$ off... Please correct me, or offer suggestions anyone. Kiting overseas is fairly common, has anyone had any luck with insurance for both 3rd party injury / property and personal injury????

Thanks in advance and I apologise if I have been mislead and made incorrect statements in my previous post. However would really like to clear this debate up, as it is becoming a common rumour around the local spot, about what this insurance in really worth.

Cheers

TJ.


greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
20 Apr 2007 12:01am
kite safely children.
Flying Kiwi
Flying Kiwi
WA
258 posts
WA, 258 posts
20 Apr 2007 9:41am
Good questions TJ, and as I mentioned in my post the best way to find out the answers is to email them to [email protected]

I'm on the AKSA committee and we have been told that all queries have to be directed to the secretary via [email protected] as she has been briefed on the policy by lawyers and can answer questions correctly. I'm not a lawyer so don't want to give you my interpretation of what the policy covers. Once you hear back you could let people know the answers to the questions you have posed.

Personally I make sure I leave enough space between myself and other kiters unless I trust them. I also approach kiters who I think are acting irresponsibly/dangerously and ask them to think about the consequences if something goes wrong.

It is unfortunate that the policy only covers Australia, but an international policy would have cost a lot more and most of the members don't travel internationally to kite.

Gav

gooseondabay
gooseondabay
NSW
109 posts
NSW, 109 posts
20 Apr 2007 1:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by Flying Kiwi

Hi Threadjacker,

Can you show me where in the AKSA policy it states that there is no personal injury cover? Both forms are found here http://www.aksa.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=29

If anybody has any questions about the AKSA policy contact [email protected] and they will be answered as soon as possible.

P.S I don't know about the incident mentioned, but I do know that AKSA has worked hard to get the best policy for kiters.

Cheers
Gav





I have also heard from a person who studied the documents and sought answers to similar questions raised by threadjacker.
The information provided was that personal injury insurance cover was only $15,000 . If this is the case then the policy is of very little use.

Please have the AKSA policy expert post clear answers to the questions of WHAT EXACTLY DOES THE POLICY COVER AND WHAT DOES THAT COVER REALLY MEAN. Also please advise us of the benefit of having the policy if the personal injury cover is a pittance.

thanking you in advance for your immediate action on this matter

Goose
dan OK?
dan OK?
VIC
253 posts
VIC, 253 posts
20 Apr 2007 1:11pm
Doesn't really seem like the sort of question an AKSA committee member would need to dance around!

1. Your covered for 'X' if you hurt someone.

OR

2. Your not covered and you have no paddle!



jjd
jjd
WA
705 posts
jjd jjd
WA, 705 posts
20 Apr 2007 11:21am
quote:
Originally posted by ThreadJacker

Hi Gav,
Firstly, as stated I agree all kiters should be a member of AKSA as I am, however please correct me in any of my statements, as I may have been mis-informed or have read the insurance policy incorrectly...I am not a lawyer or would want to be.

1) Is it correct that if I hurt a fellow AKSA insured kiter(on the water or beach)I am not covered by AKSA insurance for personal or property damages, or for that matter any non-AKSA insured kiter
2) As stated on the AKSA website and on the insurance contract, link above. "Membership gives you $10m in 3rd Party Public Liability Insurance 24 hours a day, every day of the year whilst kiting anywhere within Australia",
Is this 10 mil only for third party property/ products or does it cover 3rd Party Personal Injury as well and how much???, as I can not see this clearly in either document....would really like to clear this one up...any lawyers out there!
I had heard on the grapevine, that the 3rd Party Personal Injury from this policy was only around 10-20K mark???? Stand to be corrected (hopefully as this seems way to low..hence my comments in previous post)basically I would like to know, if someone tried to land my kite, they got caught up in my lines, kite powers up, lops a couple of the poor dudes fingers off, and knocked them around a little....What am I covered for? Firstly medical costs, and then payment for loss of a couple fingers...what are they worth these days...maybe 7-10k a pop???? and any other legal fees that are following??? What am I covered for???

3)Another sore point, only insured in Australia...I understand this insurance is for the local kiting community and this would keep the premiums lower thus saving us all some $$$, however with kiting being classified as a extreme sport, I don't believe my normal travel insurance would cover me if I nailed someone in America who was sueing my a$$ off... Please correct me, or offer suggestions anyone. Kiting overseas is fairly common, has anyone had any luck with insurance for both 3rd party injury / property and personal injury????

Thanks in advance and I apologise if I have been mislead and made incorrect statements in my previous post. However would really like to clear this debate up, as it is becoming a common rumour around the local spot, about what this insurance in really worth.

Cheers

TJ.


I have not read the policy and have nothing to do with AKSA, but :
- generally speaking "public liability" covers your liability to all third parties arising from your negligence - this would include property damage and personal injury

- check your own household policy as it will include a liability section which may or may not cover you for kiting - "watercraft" is generally excluded

- regardless of AKSA's policy you should carefully check the wording of your travel insurance as the liability section may cover you for sporting activity such as kiting (but not cover you for your own injuries when undertaking hazardous activities (eg., skiing) which may or may not include kiting
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
20 Apr 2007 2:55pm
Hmmm this is a good question.

I was just talking up the PL insurance to a kiwi bloke (Tim I think?)at the WAKSA AGM the other night.

$15,000 is better than nothing (especially for $65 annual fee) but I was under the impression that it was around the mill mark also.

If you wipe out a Maccas worker your ok for around 4-6 months wages etc, but if it's a lawyer then maybe 1-2 days work cover!!! The next day the b*stard will probably go back to work and sue ya arse!!

[size=4]Any AKSA answers?[/size=4]

Boy the "silver-tops" do love to come and have a gander and chat don't they?? Most take the stay to the side/back advice well but every now and then one comes out swinging the zimmerframe!
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