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Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
28 Mar 2007 11:28am
Looking to add kite to quiver for those 25-30 knot days.Only been kiting about 6 weeks, Currently I'm able body drag up wind to retreive board, switch to toe side and change direction with out sinking. Oh and I'm sort of boosting but have never landed one yet. I can't seem to get the kite in the right position to land and ride off, it just falls out the sky...

So obviously I'd like a kite that will help me at my current level to progress quick. But also last and see me out for a few years, I'd imagine it won't get as much use as my 10m and 14m.

I'm 95kg's riding a 142cm board, I learnt on 06 airush flows but would like a kite that is going to help me best with my progression to smooth transitions and moves like back rolls, raileys ect.

Can only really afford 2nd hand 06, or maybe 07 in a month or 2 I'm guessing 7m or 8m. Any tips on size, style and brands will be appreciated. Without pimping of course,then I can go to specific reviews.

Cheers for any help
ChrissyG
ChrissyG
WA
42 posts
WA, 42 posts
28 Mar 2007 12:53pm
Hey Blaster,

I’m selling a 7m North Rhino 06 with bar and lines. It’s in really top condition. Buzz me on 0421 060 970 if interested. The guys and girls who use these kites at my local beach and river appear really pleased with them (including myself!).

A smaller kite will complete your quiver nicely and will be good for those very windy days as you said… However, with winter on its way just be careful and I recommend you avoid squally weather.
maxim
maxim
NSW
84 posts
NSW, 84 posts
28 Mar 2007 5:34pm
Your 10m will be perfect for 25 - 30 knots..... why do you need a smaller kite at 95kg?
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
29 Mar 2007 8:04am
Maxim I would like a smaller or more apropriate kite to be that little bit safer on the water. The other day it picked up to 25 knots, I was fully depowered and that leaves no options if hit by a gust. With my lack of experience, I do get worried about ruining some other kites day by not having full control of the kite.

So you never really gave me any tips, but you did make me question myself to ask others around my weight on similiar board size what they are flying. You may very well be right, with more experience I could control the 10m. But at the stage I'm at, I'm thinking of all the things that come natural for experienced kiters. I'm just wanting to be in control of my kite so I can concerntrate on progressing with tricks rather than fight with the kite.

Cheers
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
29 Mar 2007 10:32am
here'S a good tip .try a venom.I't's worth a look into as I reckon it will probably address these issues .


quote:
Originally posted by Blaster

Maxim I would like a smaller or more apropriate kite to be that little bit safer on the water. The other day it picked up to 25 knots, I was fully depowered and that leaves no options if hit by a gust. With my lack of experience, I do get worried about ruining some other kites day by not having full control of the kite.

So you never really gave me any tips, but you did make me question myself to ask others around my weight on similiar board size what they are flying. You may very well be right, with more experience I could control the 10m. But at the stage I'm at, I'm thinking of all the things that come natural for experienced kiters. I'm just wanting to be in control of my kite so I can concerntrate on progressing with tricks rather than fight with the kite.

Cheers

Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
29 Mar 2007 8:50am
OH NOThis going to turn into a LE V's Matress debate LOL Just kidding I'll consider anything. I have thought about asking Neil if he has a demo to try.

Because the guy won the Nats on one, does that mean they can do exactly the same thing as LE kites or is he a freak or something
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
29 Mar 2007 11:31am
He is a freak from another planet .there can be no other reason
ali
ali
QLD
68 posts
ali ali
QLD, 68 posts
29 Mar 2007 4:18pm
Honestly- if you cant hold your 10 m down in 25 Knots at 95 Kg then you should probably get you skills up a bit more in lighter winds than going for a smaller kite. Those small kites can be very fast, if your skills arent up to it small kites can whip you just as hard.
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
29 Mar 2007 7:32pm
I'm 102kg and ride a 142 north defender.

My 12m c-kite goes up to 27 knots
My 10m will get me to 36 knots
And my 8m in 35+ knots

I've riden on my 12m up to 30 knots and belive me I'm not that flash. If your really that worried go with a smaller board. Having used small kites (learnt in the gorge us in +35). Small kites are a hand full, my 8 is one twitchy mother.

Your 10 should be fine you just need to get used to it. An 8/9m kite in 25-30 isn't going to be that great for someone who weights 95kg you'll be spending to much time working the kite and underpowered (unless its one of those really fancy ones).

Fat Boys Rule
mergaTroy
mergaTroy
NSW
150 posts
NSW, 150 posts
29 Mar 2007 8:37pm
hi blaster
I understand your concerns and it's refreshing to hear someone cares that they might be over litt.

Go on try an Ozone you'll like it, you'll be like a fat kid on smarties when it gets over 30 knots
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
29 Mar 2007 7:12pm
Thanks for the replies, Perhaps I'm still just nervy when other kiters are around me. Once I've become more confident perhaps as you say the 10 will do. I just enjoy being powered up knowing I've got depower available if I need it. Anyhow I might just persist then get an 8m and 12m next season. 12's seem like the common size in the tradewind season at my local.

One last . out of interest which style has the most depower. hybrid bows or C's. Or Dah is that a stupid , I have a thought it's bows and I have heard some say their 12m bow is equivilent to a 13m C and different again to a mattress is this true or is a 12m the same no matter what style.

Cheers

cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
29 Mar 2007 7:13pm
As some have said already... you should be able to at your size hold down a ten meter with out much trouble up to 30 knots - I am 72 kgs and hold my rebel down comfortably when its about 25 knots, haven’t been out when its been consistently over 25 .. 33 knot gusts don’t count in wind speeds for me.

Anyhow wait till your stance is better and trim your kites depower so you can lean back more for a harder edge when the wind does go up. This will help to reduce your poo stance to depower as bar depower isn’t as far travel.

Alternatively you could look to get yourself a smaller board that makes a considerable diff too...you can interchange that instead of pumping up a diff kite as the wind increases. Plus it’s cheaper and you will get more use out of it than a smaller kite. Because you can use it for your larger kite too if the wind gets up while out on that.

If you really want another kite why not just go with what you know and get the same as your other two kites. Same qr system.. same bars… same setup.. keep it simple
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
30 Mar 2007 11:14am
Go to your local shops and demo as many kites as you can. Talk to your local LF dealer, they should have a big Easter Sale running on LF kites.

We have a big Easter Sale in place now - $1500 for a 2007 kite complete with bar and lines, 2007 board and a 2007 harness, all Liquid Force demo gear, no damage, like new. All you need to get going. Check our the buy & sell section for more details.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
30 Mar 2007 9:58am
Hi Blaster,

Holding down a 10m in 30 knots is doable but not that much fun.

For a really enjoyable ride in those sorts of conditions, find yourself a 7m Hybrid type kite and you'll be comfortably powered with gust handling range into the high 30's.

I was on a 10m Vapour the other day in 30-35 knots and although I could hold it and boost, it wasn't what I would call a super fun session. I was only out there to test the kite otherwise I would have been on one of our 7m Flow SLE's. Now thats a fun 30 knot session!

Our 7m's have bottom end of about 18-20 knots and top out at around 35kts. You sound like you have your head screwed on right, so no doubt you'll make a wise choice which ever way you go.

Good winds,

airhead
airhead
WA
814 posts
WA, 814 posts
30 Mar 2007 10:34am
if on a tight budget then a 2007 7m Waroo is definately worth a look at $850 kite only brand spanking new!

Can be demo'd through Choice Kitesuring in Hami Hill.
maxim
maxim
NSW
84 posts
NSW, 84 posts
30 Mar 2007 1:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitehard

Hi Blaster,

Holding down a 10m in 30 knots is doable but not that much fun.

For a really enjoyable ride in those sorts of conditions, find yourself a 7m Hybrid type kite and you'll be comfortably powered with gust handling range into the high 30's.

I was on a 10m Vapour the other day in 30-35 knots and although I could hold it and boost, it wasn't what I would call a super fun session. I was only out there to test the kite otherwise I would have been on one of our 7m Flow SLE's. Now thats a fun 30 knot session!

Our 7m's have bottom end of about 18-20 knots and top out at around 35kts. You sound like you have your head screwed on right, so no doubt you'll make a wise choice which ever way you go.

Good winds,





Kitehard, stop pimping with "your 7m kites".... what's the difference with "your 7m kites" and the others out there? The man weigh 96kg..... In two months of kiting in the right conditions and not pushing limits, he will not even look at a 7.. Blaster, listen to the boys that have nothing to sell, a 10m is fine for 25+knots for you, just have patience and learn in the right conditions as 25+ knots is certainly NOT the right conditions for a newbie..
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
30 Mar 2007 3:00pm
Yep OK... understood I got a few options that I didn't think about, changing board ect.. also picking the right days and getting more experience first.

Look my intentions were to get some idea of what others similar to me are using and suggestions. I'm not to worried about a nice 25 knot SWer in summer thats consistant. It's more about being able to kite comfortably through winter when it's 25 knot NWer, then when that occassional squal comes through having the ability to depower and not be hanging from a tree, due to the fact I was already cruising around on full depower.

Plus the guy's arn't actually pimping, in my opinion they are suggesting kites to look at. I've had some PM's offering demo's which is exactly what I'll do before buying a new kite. As Spruce would say "you would'nt buy a car without test driving it".

P.S I'm only doing this office job for another month, so I hope to go back to my more healthy weight of 90kgs soon when I resume in my more regular active duties LOL

Anyhow cheers to you all
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
30 Mar 2007 6:11pm
If you go on the kite manufactures web site (for any company) they’ll have posted the “Suggested” wind range for all the sizes of each model they produce. These wind range numbers are based on the “Average Person”, meaning 70kg (average depending on what site you look at). Meaning that @ 90kg you have to add in a bit of fudge factor.

It comes down to what your comfortable with but I would recommend getting your third kite the same as the two you already have its just nicer when you switch at mid day when the wind builds.
burley
burley
VIC
132 posts
VIC, 132 posts
30 Mar 2007 8:44pm
Hi Blaster, at the moment i weigh 96kg's and use a T3 12mtre naish Torch in 20-30 Knot winds and add the odd 5 Knot gust to that as well, i also use a T3 16mtr naish Torch in 15-25 Knot winds + the odd gusts ontop of that. You don't need another kite mate, Get used to the ones you've got. For winds above that a small stable bow kite might be the go. eg: Shockwave. I do know one thing, you'r in a funny weight range unfortunately. Were i kite my old 14mtr and 10mtr just didn't have enough guts for good progression, maybe something to do with wind density? i don't know. But now with the 12mtr and 16mtr i'm progressing in leaps and bounds. anyway thats my story.
Main thing is to get out there give it crack.
Good luck.
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
30 Mar 2007 8:55pm
Hey Blaster
Some good advice ^ there.
If you're uncomfortable with your 10m Flow when things get spicy, you might like to be on a kite that depowers a bit more. This is where all the bows and hybrids come in. My advice is to demo some other styles of kites.
Personally I reckon Mergatroy's fat kid on smarties sounds like fun.
I can comfortably fly a 9m Ozone Instinct to 30 knots. I'm about 70kg. I'd take it out in more, but it hasn't turned up yet.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
31 Mar 2007 12:24am
Hey Maxim,

I don't Pimp gear. I simply respond with comments on gear I have favourable experiences on. No I haven't ridden every 7m out there so cannot tell you the differences between other 7m's. I do know the 7m's I use are good for me and most of the other people I know who ride them, therefor it would be fair to assume that they may be good for Blaster also.

To pimp a piece of gear usually is done for financial reward or some other sort of monetary gain. I do not sell kites, nor do I get kickbacks or any other sort of reward for people buying Airush stuff. When I say "our", I mean the schools gear which is what I ride.

I couldn't give a stuff what people buy, if it makes 'em happy, great, if not, too bad. If I recommend a piece of gear, it is because I have personally had a good session using it, and have had experience on that piece of gear which therefor gives me an informed opinion. I didn't say it was the best 7m, only that it was good for me, which it is.

I'm also experienced enough to not have to try and prove my worth by holding down kites which are not comfortable. My idea is to fly the smallest kite possible purely because small kites are more fun and I don't need to prove anything to anyone. But you keep flying as big a kite as you can in crazy strong wind, people will know your a real man because you fly big kites in strong wind. Good onya mate

Good winds,



cwamit
cwamit
WA
1194 posts
WA, 1194 posts
31 Mar 2007 9:02am
PMSL.. got to love how clucky the kite forum can be.

Thankfully its a diffrent story on the beach.
em
em
318 posts
em em
318 posts
31 Mar 2007 9:15am
quote:
Originally posted by cRAZY Canuk

Fat Boys Rule


but light riders jump much higher!!!!
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
2528 posts
NSW, 2528 posts
31 Mar 2007 7:54pm
quote:
Originally posted by em

quote:
Originally posted by cRAZY Canuk

Fat Boys Rule


but light riders jump much higher!!!!



Yeah but we're real men cause we can fly bigger kites in more wind.
Smasher
Smasher
NSW
59 posts
NSW, 59 posts
31 Mar 2007 10:33pm
Hi,
I don't want to start a Bow V C kite argument here but think you should consider the wind range of a bow. If you were to buy a 10m bow that would give you roughly the equivalent power of a 12 C in the lighter winds and could be depowered to approx the equivalent of an 8m C.

To show you this practically my mate and I were out a few weeks back on a 9m and a 16m bow at the same time in about 23knots. I am 85kg and he is 100kg but we were both going the same speed in the same conditions. He had his kite depowered and I had mine fully powered but both coped with the conditions well.

I bought an 8m C a while back and used it once. They are very fast and need very strong (usually gusty) winds.My 10m c however was my favourite kite and was fine up to 28 knots. As someone said above your 10 should be fine at your weight once you get a bit better. If you want the extra option of wider range go a bow or SLE. Otherwise just go out in sensible conditions and you should be able to hold down your 10 easily to over 25knots.

Cheers, Smash
twig
twig
QLD
144 posts
QLD, 144 posts
31 Mar 2007 11:02pm
three words: fish and chips
goon doggg
goon doggg
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QLD, 207 posts
31 Mar 2007 11:27pm
three words: twigs is gay
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