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NSW, 4382 posts
27 Sep 2007 9:38am
quote:
Originally posted by sorse

Wouldn't it be easier to buy the kite that works great straight out of the bag?



Errr Dave, they do work fine straight out of the bag.

An insinuation by any dealer that they don't, doesn't mean they don't.

I flew an 11M edge yesterday, straight outta da bag, flew fine. Had amazing bottom end, another rider on a slightly bigger board and same weight as me was doing extremely well on his. Once a flyer adjusts their technique to cope with the light bar pressure, its an extremely high performance kite.

Sometimes low performance kite pilots will look to blame the tools rather than adjust their technique?
That comment is not directed at anyone in particular, its just something I hear and see a lot, in relation to all sorts of brands and models. People continue to heap sh1t on the link, but it flies fine Dave, as you know. People continue to bag Best, over a couple of poor designs, but the Waroo 07 was a winner, as were, and are, most of their kites, Kusu.

Just because a kite does not fly like what you are used to does not mean it is a bad design or that it needs to be modified, its much more likely that your flying techniques are the thing that needs to be modded!

Have either of you flown all 3 Ozone Instinct models?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Robbo2099
Robbo2099
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
27 Sep 2007 10:57am
Big thanks to Steve at Kitepower for the demo day and for all the manufacturer reps who came along to demo the new kites like Hudson from Cabrinha, and Dave and Lee from Slinghsot. Had a chance to fly the new Slingshot REV and the new Cabrinha Switchblade3 and can only say really good things about both of them. This next generation of new kites is awesome.
Kav
Kav
NSW
19 posts
Kav Kav
NSW, 19 posts
27 Sep 2007 1:33pm
Just like to say thanks to Steve for a great day and turning on the wind, a bit gusty but great for testing out some new kites. The REV was a stand out for me, looking forward to giving it a run in the surf!

Thanks Lee
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
27 Sep 2007 12:39pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia


Errr Dave, they do work fine straight out of the bag.

Once a flyer adjusts their technique to cope with the light bar pressure, its an extremely high performance kite.

Sometimes low performance kite pilots will look to blame the tools rather than adjust their technique?

Just because a kite does not fly like what you are used to does not mean it is a bad design or that it needs to be modified, its much more likely that your flying techniques are the thing that needs to be modded!


WTF? its my fault(read: lackof technique?) that a kite doesn't fly exactly how i want it to in the conditions i ride in? maybe i am misunderstanding you steve, but that sounds like a load of baloney.

Most cars drive "fine" out of the factory, but don't suit every environment, different size tyres/gear ratios etc to match the conditions. Driving the car differently won't mean the car is setup for the conditions.

Same goes for kites, each kite has been manufactured to certain requirements and tested in certain conditions(not ALL conditions). And despite what manu's tell you they CANNOT do everything perfectly out of the bag, not saying the kites are broken, but adjusting certain areas to suit your local conditions can make a difference.
NSW, 4382 posts
27 Sep 2007 6:23pm
Meerkat, you are choosing to misunderstand me.
Its not like the other few thousand members of Seabreeze are supporting you on this mate?

If you want a rally car, then learn how to drive one, like I did, then build one (like I did), and then you can choose your new cor with a view to modifying it, if you plan to race it, or you you can call my mate and have him modify it for you (be ready to hand over lots of $$$$).

If a rider wants a certain type of performance, then it goes without saying that the said rider must already know what they want.
So why would they buy a kite that they know will not be to their liking??

The Ozone kites, fly extremely well, straight out of the bag, they do not need modifying, the "insinuations" by a dealer in this thread that does not sell them, and who I doubt has even flown the kite in question, and who is also probably aware of a new shop in his area opening up that does sell them, is just plain anti competitive BS.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
27 Sep 2007 4:44pm
ok, thats not what i meant and i can see my post was a bit off topic.

Think the difference between "tweak" and "modify" is where i get a knickers in a twist.

All kites(as per the manu's) can be tweaked. I say, if i want to permanently tweak a kite i.e. permanently shorten a line, change a stopper on a bar then thats a "mod". Probably just english grammer rather than anything else.

Happy you like driving rally cars, so does my uncle. YAY!

Just because most seabreeze users don't agree with me doesn't mean i don't have an opinion or should agree with them.
user
user
WA
1140 posts
WA, 1140 posts
27 Sep 2007 4:47pm
With all due respect,Steve, the "dealer"in question was,I think, just refering to comments like this :

"It wouldnt be too hard to experement, basically make a new rear bridal, and vary the lengths between the 2 rear attach point, like the mod on the original instinct was, i modded my 11m and have never looked back, the kite is soo much better to fly now."

which sound pretty complicated !
Had me thinking the same thing !

I feel it was a bit much to cast dispersions
on this persons'professional character !
NSW, 4382 posts
27 Sep 2007 9:02pm
quote:
Originally posted by user

With all due respect,Steve, the "dealer"in question was,I think, just refering to comments like this :

"It wouldnt be too hard to experement, basically make a new rear bridal, and vary the lengths between the 2 rear attach point, like the mod on the original instinct was, i modded my 11m and have never looked back, the kite is soo much better to fly now."

which sound pretty complicated !
Had me thinking the same thing !

I feel it was a bit much to cast dispersions
on this persons'professional character !



No worries User
I was not and have not cast dispersions on the persons "professional character", I simply voiced my opinion, on his opinion, and called it BS, OK?

The forum member (Macca), who modded his Instinct, was referring to his Instinct 06, which he modded to be like the Instinct 07, (I've done it to several 2006 Instinct kites now too).

A competing dealer, who bags a competing product, that he does not sell, based on flying the previous years model, deserves his opinion to be questioned. Judgements of his character can be left to readers of this forum to form, on their own.

I'll say it again, very clearly - the 2007 Ozone Instinct, Light, Sport and Edge, fly fine straight out of the bag, however they do have light bar pressure, and some riders seem to think after flying the kite on the beach that the kites need to have the rear lines shortened. Simply untrue, once on the water in the winds they are designed for the kites perform extremely well.

There are probably dozens of kites the exhibit similar light wind beach flown characteristics that are similar, ie; will not sit stably at the windows edge, will not park overhead, difficult or impossible to relaunch in sub 6/7 knot conditions, etc, etc.

Once again, the 2007 Ozone Instinct Light, Sport and Edge fly fine straight out of the bag.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Adrenalin Rush
Adrenalin Rush
QLD
876 posts
QLD, 876 posts
27 Sep 2007 10:18pm
So Steve, Can you fly the Instinct straight out of the bag or do mods need to be done.

Nah just shi%en ya mate.

kusu
kusu
QLD
485 posts
QLD, 485 posts
28 Sep 2007 6:45am
Gee, someones forgotten to take their cranky pills!

Steve, the local dealer you are referring to is a good friend of mine, as are some of the guys who are riding the kites. So, settle petal.
I tried the edge which is touted as the high end model right? Well, I'm just trying to help out by suggesting the kite could be improved by modding the bridle a bit maybe to get a more responsive kite. I have already said the finish and boost and hang are really good!

Yes I am a dealer (of a a few brands by the way) but I always have and will put pleasure before business - you should try it someday.

uco
uco
NSW
2 posts
uco uco
NSW, 2 posts
28 Sep 2007 7:54am
Hi Steve
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"We are suggesting to Ozone to make the rear line adjusters to have a longer throw."
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Ozone listened. The last shipment of kites have longer adjusters on the rear lines. Work just fine out of the bag. both Felix's new 11m and my new 13m have over double the adjustment range of my 11m.
Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
NSW
295 posts
NSW, 295 posts
28 Sep 2007 11:53am
As steve said, mine was the 06 ozone, it only had ONE rear attach point, and no rear bridal.

there isnt any problems with the new series, ozone redeveloped the wingtips and rear bridal. and all ozone kites fly awesome out of the bag, i havnt herd of a bad one.
NSW, 4382 posts
28 Sep 2007 12:04pm
quote:
Originally posted by arsa

So Steve, Can you fly the Instinct straight out of the bag or do mods need to be done.

Nah just shi%en ya mate.





Its all cool Joe, I just need you to lie on the ground in front of my truck, next time you are down.
laurie
laurie
QLD
3902 posts
QLD, 3902 posts
28 Sep 2007 12:14pm
If you guys want to discuss the pro's & cons of the Ozone, would you mind starting or adding to the topic in the Gear Reviews?

Apart from that, please keep this topic on topic. I'm sure you're all keen to help make these forums the most friendly & informative place to visit.

The only thing you do when you throw dirt is lose ground.

Enjoy .. Lozza


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