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used2surf
used2surf
WA
47 posts
WA, 47 posts
9 Aug 2007 3:35pm
Hi Folks, I'm an old fart windsurfer who for the sake of his 16 y/old son is thinking of coming over to the dark side!!! So could someone briefly explain the differences in the style of kite and what the new breed of de powered kites mean. ie does it mean that you cand depower for safety reasons or can you depower and make a big kite small so to speak. Also can any one compare kite sizes with sail sizes coz I see lots of really big uns for sale? I know I should go and talk to a shop or something but I live down the country W.A. and 3 hours is a long way to go for a chat. P.S. the guy who kited around the cape must have gonads the size of watermallons. Cheers Bob
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
9 Aug 2007 5:55pm
G'Day Bob. Despite not having a shop it seems you have an internets. This site has a pretty good search function. There's also the FAQ. The only question above I haven't seen answered in text before (because it's a pretty simple one), no, kite sizes and sail sizes don't match. I'd fly my 10m kite for the same power you'd get from a 4.7m sail, based on comparing chat at the beach on any given Sunday... Hope this helps.
lancekenny
lancekenny
SA
402 posts
SA, 402 posts
9 Aug 2007 5:26pm
Hi Bob, talk to Simon Peters from Margaret River Kitesurfing and Windsurfing (I take it you are south of Perth?) - 0419 959 053 - myself and a few mates got together for lessons from him and he was really good. He also sells new and second hand gear and has some demo stuff available.

We learnt on bow/hybrid kites and progressed quickly - we wanted to get into the sport for ages and the safety side of the sport seemed to have finally caught up with the products in the 2007 models.

I surf a 12m SLE kite for the majority of the year and only have to downsize when its 27kts plus, that would possibly be a good time to jump on your sons smaller kite

Be careful though - once you start it will take over your life... envious though - a great excuse for the missus to go kiting is to spend more time with your son!
xtortya
xtortya
WA
322 posts
WA, 322 posts
9 Aug 2007 3:57pm
hey mate....the basic rundown of kites is most Bow or Hybrid kites have 100% depower making them "safer" for begginers and easier to learn on. I learnt on a C shape kite which has almost no depower, but i still learnt none the less. Apparently you get a little more beaten up on a C kite when you are learning, but i didn't really find that. (for all the haters, i have a 3 kite quiver of a C a Bow and a PKL venom)

Depending on where you are is what size kite you will be looking at. Generally you need 2 kites to cover most wind ranges around australia, but some people get away with 1.

I only started learning in late feb this year, so i'm sure that someone with a little more experience can probably ellaborate more for ya.
fozzy
fozzy
SA
501 posts
SA, 501 posts
9 Aug 2007 5:33pm
Bob,

You're not the first to come to the dark side. 18 months ago I came across after 8 years windsurfing and haven't got my old gear wet since. It really is a great sport with a lot of diversity to offer with it. Your windsurfing background will help immensely as your understanding of the wind etc. is already there. Learn to control the kite and your away. As for the kite styles etc. Without telling you to suck eggs, the C kites were the "first" kites and the "depowered kites" that you refer to are the Bow Kites and derivitives thereof in SLE's and Hybrids. The C Kites have excellent safety systems pretty much standard these days with a 5th line that enables you to let go of everything and have 100% depower. They don't have as large of a wind range as the Bow style kites and are slightly more difficult to relaunch when you drop them into the water. Some traditionalists however wouldn't kite on anything else.
As for the Bow kites, they offer greater depower and yes in effect sort of make a big kite a small kite as well as the safety that accompanys this. Its basically the same as with windsurfing when you simply sheet out. The surface area is the same but you're exposing less of it to the wind. However this works in reverse as well, as that same surface area can be used to your advantage and presented to the wind for greater bottom end which = getting on the water earlier. They are much easier to relaunch when dropped and because of these factors are generally considered a better option for beginners in todays market. Having said that, I have recently bought myself an SLE kite and absolutely love it, so I have sort of gone in reverse. (i.e learnt on C's and now on SLE) Some people will also say the Bow kites are too heavy on the bar pressure (sheeting in and out) but it depends really. As I have said, I have an SLE that the bar pressure is super light and gives the same feel as a C kite when unhooked. (Same as windsurfing again, say when wave riding and unhooking for carving on the wave.)
As for comparing kites and sail sizes. In short no you can't. When kiting started they used to say whatever sail we were on, kiters were basically on double. With all the technology etc. going into improving performance with the kites now (as mentioned above) it is no longer a good comparison. Most kite manufacturers however will have a wind chart with their kites, generally applicable to a person weighing 75 kgs or thereabouts. Like windsurfing though this is a general rule, it depends on ability and the type of board being used. A rough guide only. Anyway I hope this helps a little.

Cheers,

Fozzy
xtortya
xtortya
WA
322 posts
WA, 322 posts
9 Aug 2007 4:26pm
hey,
this might answer a few of your questions.
Nice stuff lozza, the info bar on the right is awesome.
www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Content/Articles/Kitesurfing/Kitesurfing-beginner-questions_903071.aspx
used2surf
used2surf
WA
47 posts
WA, 47 posts
9 Aug 2007 4:31pm
Not a bad selection of replies in only 1/2 an hour, thanks emensely I'm already twice as informed as I was before. Ta muchly .Bob
INfiniDIE
INfiniDIE
WA
478 posts
WA, 478 posts
9 Aug 2007 5:59pm
Am I right to assume that a kite works in much the same principle as an aerofoil?

the bernoulli effect and curves of quickest descent?

eg. Wind flowing over the top has to travel further and thus creates a high pressure system differential from the wind flowing under the kite that has less distance to traverse and creates a low pressure system. working much like the weather this gives the kite lift and hence you, attached to it.

thats how kites work in my opinion, and seeing as they're not powered devices you must tack back and forth across the wind window to travel upwind, right?
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
9 Aug 2007 6:24pm
Hi Bob,

You can check out our website www.kiteboardingschool.com.au/FAQ.htm for loads of questions answered or give me a call on my mobile for a chat.

I too came from your side of the fence 8 years ago after 17 years of windsurfing. I find a 10 minute ride on pole gear about every three years is enough to remind me why I changed over.

Good winds,

jan
jan
WA
1119 posts
jan jan
WA, 1119 posts
9 Aug 2007 7:26pm
quote:
Originally posted by INfiniDIE

eg. Wind flowing over the top has to travel further and thus creates a high pressure system differential from the wind flowing under the kite that has less distance to traverse and creates a low pressure system.


why does the air flowing over the top have to meet the air flowing under the bottom at the other end of the airfoil?

(hint: forum search+google)
junglist
junglist
VIC
701 posts
VIC, 701 posts
9 Aug 2007 10:43pm
Top marks to this man! Possibly the most sensible and unbiased opinion on C Vs Bow I have ever read!

Excellent work mate

You're not the first to come to the dark side. 18 months ago I came across after 8 years windsurfing and haven't got my old gear wet since. It really is a great sport with a lot of diversity to offer with it. Your windsurfing background will help immensely as your understanding of the wind etc. is already there. Learn to control the kite and your away. As for the kite styles etc. Without telling you to suck eggs, the C kites were the "first" kites and the "depowered kites" that you refer to are the Bow Kites and derivitives thereof in SLE's and Hybrids. The C Kites have excellent safety systems pretty much standard these days with a 5th line that enables you to let go of everything and have 100% depower. They don't have as large of a wind range as the Bow style kites and are slightly more difficult to relaunch when you drop them into the water. Some traditionalists however wouldn't kite on anything else.
As for the Bow kites, they offer greater depower and yes in effect sort of make a big kite a small kite as well as the safety that accompanys this. Its basically the same as with windsurfing when you simply sheet out. The surface area is the same but you're exposing less of it to the wind. However this works in reverse as well, as that same surface area can be used to your advantage and presented to the wind for greater bottom end which = getting on the water earlier. They are much easier to relaunch when dropped and because of these factors are generally considered a better option for beginners in todays market. Having said that, I have recently bought myself an SLE kite and absolutely love it, so I have sort of gone in reverse. (i.e learnt on C's and now on SLE) Some people will also say the Bow kites are too heavy on the bar pressure (sheeting in and out) but it depends really. As I have said, I have an SLE that the bar pressure is super light and gives the same feel as a C kite when unhooked. (Same as windsurfing again, say when wave riding and unhooking for carving on the wave.)
As for comparing kites and sail sizes. In short no you can't. When kiting started they used to say whatever sail we were on, kiters were basically on double. With all the technology etc. going into improving performance with the kites now (as mentioned above) it is no longer a good comparison. Most kite manufacturers however will have a wind chart with their kites, generally applicable to a person weighing 75 kgs or thereabouts. Like windsurfing though this is a general rule, it depends on ability and the type of board being used. A rough guide only. Anyway I hope this helps a little.

Cheers,

Fozzy
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