SurfConnect said...

Yes, and they just announced a tag system that every kiter will need to have before they are allowed to go on the water too. This system has been around in many countries for years now. The same I am trying to implement here. My town planner and lawyer are on it.

Because that will get you friends

bjw said...

If they ban kiting we'd be outlaws and criminals.

If we wear a black wetsuit and flouro boardshorts over the top then they will know just what we are.

BJW, you'll need fluro leather jackets

more Belguim babes cummin our way

Paddi has a whole different motive for his rules. I think if anyone sets out guidelines for tags or licences or whatever it should be done by the local club for that area. What a massive conflict of intrest is it for a shop owner to have final say who can and cant use the beach in front of there shop. Just a dream as far as i can see as all shop owners would love exclusive rights over there local beach but just isnt going to happen. And Paddi, I work in the Building industry and now there is no such thing as your own town planner.

au_rick said...

SurfConnect said...

Yes, and they just announced a tag system that every kiter will need to have before they are allowed to go on the water too. This system has been around in many countries for years now. The same I am trying to implement here. My town planner and lawyer are on it.

F%ck That !

Next I suppose youll be asking for cyclists to get licenses, and beach goers to carry their swimming competency certificates in case they go in the water ?

I will only reply to topics that is relevant and disregard the remaining rubbish that is posted here.

Dave: I would certainly hope AKSA will work together to implement a similar system nationally. But with each State under different governance, it will be extremely hard to implement a national policy.

My motive is simply based on the promotion of safe kiteboarding. My initial proposal includes free certification to existing kiters, free signage, and we will even cover the cost of maintenance of the launching and landing area.

As the accredited school in the area it is our duty to take preventative actions before a serious accident occur and the council ban the sport.

Unpopular as it may be to existing kiters, I believe this is the only way to ensure our sport continues to survive.

Bigwavedave said...

SurfConnect said...

Yes, and they just announced a tag system that every kiter will need to have before they are allowed to go on the water too. This system has been around in many countries for years now. The same I am trying to implement here. My town planner and lawyer are on it.

have you consulted aksa?

what countries?

are your motives based on commercial interests?

Yes, need all the luck we can get. It will be a hard as battle to put it in place. But if we dont try, we will never get it. I am sure the same problem is happening all over Oz.

mofo said...

SurfConnect said...

Yes, and they just announced a tag system that every kiter will need to have before they are allowed to go on the water too. This system has been around in many countries for years now. The same I am trying to implement here. My town planner and lawyer are on it.

Good luck there,,,

I have read 3 separate kitesurfing forums, and haven't found a single site that references that actual wording from the government. I have googled and search the web for nearly an hour. Still can't find a link. I have been on a Belgium government website. And still can't find the actual government memo.

If this is true, then can someone enlighten me, where it is published.

By the way Belgium is banning the burka. That is what i have learnt from my detailed search.

kyteryder said...

I have read 3 separate kitesurfing forums, and haven't found a single site that references that actual wording from the government. I have googled and search the web for nearly an hour. Still can't find a link. I have been on a Belgium government website. And still can't find the actual government memo.

If this is true, then can someone enlighten me, where it is published.

By the way Belgium is banning the burka. That is what i have learnt from my detailed search.

real fwd thinking country that one
as about as well thought out as the Surfdissconected comments
put the following words in whatever order you like
nanny, freedom, state, speech, control, scared, money, motive, retards, paraniod, fun police, bull???t

the gibbo said...

kyteryder said...

I have read 3 separate kitesurfing forums, and haven't found a single site that references that actual wording from the government. I have googled and search the web for nearly an hour. Still can't find a link. I have been on a Belgium government website. And still can't find the actual government memo.

If this is true, then can someone enlighten me, where it is published.

By the way Belgium is banning the burka. That is what i have learnt from my detailed search.

real fwd thinking country that one
as about as well thought out as the Surfdissconected comments
put the following words in whatever order you like
nanny, freedom, state, speech, control, scared, money, motive, retards, paraniod, fun police, bull???t

Wow, you have to kite with a tag on. Isn't that a massive infringement of your freedom?

You can call the state what you want but the government who will regulate the sport don't care what you think of them. They don't understand the sport, don't pretend to understand it, they just want to cover their asses so some beginner who heads out in 35 knots on a 12m doesn't blame them and sue them. Look at the Westgate bridge. The parents of some kid who committed suicide blamed the government for the lack of high fences because their kid committed suicide off the bridge. Is it really the government's fault their kid had issues? Would their kid still have committed suicide if there were higher fences using some other method like sleeping tablets? Do you think they may look at themselves as being partly to blame? We all know the answer to these questions.

All it takes is for one douche to buy a 20m kite on eBay and get dragged across a double lane road before killing himself and his parents will blame the kiting industry and the government for not regulating it. When that happens, the government will take a hard ass approach to kiters, instead of brushing it aside. The same would happen if some newbie took out a kid on the beach. I've seen enough close calls to know its a matter of time before that happens and god help us when it does.

Why does everyone automatically assume that a shop implementing tags has the wrong motive? At least they're trying something which is more than I can say for everyone else. All the people here do is bitch about their "freedom" etc when the only thing a licensing system would do is enforce some controls on the douches who act like idiots on the water or beginners who try to head out without lessons. If you don't act like a douche it won't affect you. Neither of those will be enforced in remote locations so if you really feel its imposing on your freedom to teach your mate, head to a remote location and do it.

The reality is self regulation doesn't work. I still see douchebags acting like douchebags at all the local spots. People speak to them but next week they're back acting like douches. I'm 100% in favour of a formal licensing system that see's some form of control in place - the only question is whether we put one in place or the government does it for us.

AKSA don'y respond to drivel on forums unless it's actually important.

jas73 said...

Yes Surf Connect what happens if joe citizen visiting from N.Z. or another country comes down to "your" so called local beach and start's to proceed to kite without a permit or tag. How will you police this. Forget about the rabble of the police being involved in this as they have better things to do with there time so who. And what implications will you be suggesting if someone defies your rules and kites anyway. You can ignore these sorts of questions all you like but the fact is it wont happen with the MAIN party policing this being a shop. The more you go sprucing off about dangerous kiters on your beach, the more chance you have of the council imposing bans on even you(shock horror).

The catholic church used to brush all their problems under the carpet to avoid bad publicity. Look where that got them.

jas73 said...

Saffer your not looking at what i said. I dont think it is in the best intrest if any private shop owner has the monopoly over an area of beach. It should be done through local clubs working with the councils to reach an outcome so ALL kiters have a fair and even playing field wether it be for one kiter or a business wanting to do lessons. If and when permits come into play then they should be the ones handing them out.

To date, none of the organisations have shown any interest in moving forward with a licensing system. If a shop is prepared to push it to try make it happen I don't see why it should be an issue unless they close the system so no one else has access to it and the negative publicity from that would ensure that it wouldn't be worth their while. You're making the assumption that it would be a closed system where no other kiters or businesses would have access to.

Surf connect

Your motives are fine. I understand the Importance of kiting safely. Though comparing the tiny country England (in physical size) with the large country of Australia, I think you will find that the kiting population per head of capital would be considerably less, and with existing beach resources stretched with lifeguard etc. I think you will find it difficult to enforce on most beaches.
By all means, the most popular beaches frequented by the normal beach goer would be easier to enforce, though the problem I see it, whilst pushing for a standard tagging and encforcement system, the authorities will say it is too hard to regulate on every beach, so what we will do is designate certain beaches to kitesurfing, similar to doggie beaches. Where you can only take your dogs to a designated dog beach. This would restrict beach access. The very opposite of whatever your trying to do.
I think people need to see the bigger picture and realize kitesurfing in Australia is very small, and the country is very big.

KR

Saffer this is why i think it should be up to a club and NOT a private business.

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so what are the real statistics Surfy

give us some numbers injuries, deaths, serious injuries, by newbs, by experienced
i really dont see the mass of incidents that u elude to

you cant go pushing your motives without back up, you say its for safety prove it

have you surveyed your local area, surrounding areas for thier thoughts or is this just your adgenda(there aint masses of green thumbs for you mate)

all your doing is flaming the fire of the do good brigade
do you have to have a licence to own/buy a kite(cabs would be restricted breed of course)

no a tag is not an infringment of my freedom, i have a WAKSA tag, but saying that you cant go on the water without one is a very bad joke, as someone eluded to before how about swimmers, bodyboarders, surfers(i would imagine(no proof)that more people die/get hurt doing these activities)

your argument has no end, my whole point is where do you stop
stop fanning that s$$t smelling fire