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Kitesurf Jump height measurements......... on your smartwatch?

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Created by dachopper > 9 months ago, 1 May 2022
LePhasme
WA, 58 posts
25 May 2022 12:45PM
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THE PIN PULLER said..
if its not on woo it didn't happen. woo is gospel for any big air kiter.


Yes and no, woo is pretty much the less worse option, I know a few guys using 2-3 woos on their board because they don't thrust the result from one (from jumps missed to height under/over estimated). Surfr is gaining in popularity but you have to take a phone with you and the case for the board is pretty hard to get.
I think if someone could get a reliable height measurement from a smartwatch (not just garmin though) that could become popular very quickly.

THE PIN PULLER
WA, 464 posts
25 May 2022 1:59PM
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I can see it now from the woosters instead of jumping and throwing their feet over the head for the extra mm, it will be like a hitLer salute at the peak of the jump instead :) The platform of woo is epic for the banter I believe especially in WA (GODS COUNTRY) :)

weebitbreezy
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25 May 2022 7:09PM
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dachopper said..

weebitbreezy said..


LePhasme said..
I noticed that usually the woo miss a jump when I take off from a kicker, I'm assuming as the kicker make you go up then it can't differentiate between the kicker and the actual jump.




I think its worse based on the landings for me. Land too much heelside (crashing basically) and it seems to miss them. Get too gentle a landing and land flat and its the same. I think its another of the well known 'cheats' for extra height along with the deadman dangle - smash your feet down hard on the landing and you get bigger figures



Add a few rotations in there if you want to jump real big :)


I remember PIQ did something odd where they measured the time of landing based on the first big downwards pull on the board. So you would end up with crazy low jumps every time you pull a kiteloop as it decided that the loop was the landing and did the calculation from the time spent between take off and pulling that loop

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
25 May 2022 8:35PM
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LePhasme said..

THE PIN PULLER said..
if its not on woo it didn't happen. woo is gospel for any big air kiter.



Yes and no, woo is pretty much the less worse option, I know a few guys using 2-3 woos on their board because they don't thrust the result from one (from jumps missed to height under/over estimated). Surfr is gaining in popularity but you have to take a phone with you and the case for the board is pretty hard to get.
I think if someone could get a reliable height measurement from a smartwatch (not just garmin though) that could become popular very quickly.


Given garmin are one of the biggest smart watch sellers on earth, I think it's not a bad starting brand.

LePhasme
WA, 58 posts
26 May 2022 8:55AM
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dachopper said..
Given garmin are one of the biggest smart watch sellers on earth, I think it's not a bad starting brand.



Given I have one I'm not gonna complain about it

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
26 May 2022 10:58PM
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LePhasme said..

dachopper said..
Given garmin are one of the biggest smart watch sellers on earth, I think it's not a bad starting brand.




Given I have one I'm not gonna complain about it


I now have the beta app on my watch..... and there is no way to test it this weekend !



C'mon wind !

LePhasme
WA, 58 posts
27 May 2022 2:21PM
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dachopper said..
LePhasme said..

dachopper said..
Given garmin are one of the biggest smart watch sellers on earth, I think it's not a bad starting brand.




Given I have one I'm not gonna complain about it


I now have the beta app on my watch..... and there is no way to test it this weekend !



C'mon wind !

Where are you in WA ? because it will be windy this week-end in Perth

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
27 May 2022 10:47PM
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LePhasme said..

dachopper said..

LePhasme said..


dachopper said..
Given garmin are one of the biggest smart watch sellers on earth, I think it's not a bad starting brand.





Given I have one I'm not gonna complain about it



I now have the beta app on my watch..... and there is no way to test it this weekend !



C'mon wind !


Where are you in WA ? because it will be windy this week-end in Perth


I'm about 12 hours flight time away ;)

Not all is lost, I've done more testing and will tighten up the calculations.... :)

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 1058 posts
30 May 2022 1:11PM
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Wow. Is this thread going to become like the Pansh thread on facebook, where we all have to find better and more accurate ways to measure our d*cks? Just asking.

LePhasme
WA, 58 posts
1 Jun 2022 9:25PM
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dachopper said..

LePhasme said..


dachopper said..


LePhasme said..



dachopper said..
Given garmin are one of the biggest smart watch sellers on earth, I think it's not a bad starting brand.






Given I have one I'm not gonna complain about it




I now have the beta app on my watch..... and there is no way to test it this weekend !



C'mon wind !



Where are you in WA ? because it will be windy this week-end in Perth



I'm about 12 hours flight time away ;)

Not all is lost, I've done more testing and will tighten up the calculations.... :)


Looks like surfr had the same idea as you
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swartgevaar
WA, 22 posts
2 Jun 2022 8:09AM
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www.instagram.com/the_surfr_app/

swartgevaar
WA, 22 posts
2 Jun 2022 8:09AM
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linktr.ee/TheSurfrApp

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
2 Jun 2022 1:06PM
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Looks good.... great for I watch wearers that are willing to kite with it.

Hopefully I get some testing with mine this Saturday !

pimalu
49 posts
5 Jun 2022 8:17AM
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Instead of spend time and money on those inaccurate garbage better enjoy your jumps! THERE IS NO CHEAP OR RELATIVE EXPENSIVE DEVICE THAT TRACKS ACCURATELY YOUR JUMPS OVER THE WATER. The biggest problem is they are relative low and short duration jumps. BUT, if you like to fool yourself just go and buy one of them!

weebitbreezy
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6 Jun 2022 8:43PM
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pimalu said..
Instead of spend time and money on those inaccurate garbage better enjoy your jumps! THERE IS NO CHEAP OR RELATIVE EXPENSIVE DEVICE THAT TRACKS ACCURATELY YOUR JUMPS OVER THE WATER. The biggest problem is they are relative low and short duration jumps. BUT, if you like to fool yourself just go and buy one of them!


Sure - but its the same technology used to launch rockets and there's not a lot of people who haven't used a GPS mapping device in the last year so there's got to be something in it.

Maybe you've hit a plateaux in your progression so its not fun for you but for me it adds a lot to the fun. Its like the difference between a golf driving range and golf simulator (the thing where you hit the ball into a wall and it calculates distance). Sure the simulator may not be accurate but it gets rid of the claimed heroics of the driving range because there's a number on the screen.

I think the problem if you haven't used them is that you assume that people focus on the outliers (the 12m jump from a session where 5m is the next best). In reality you have to ignore the outliers and just look at the average of the sent jumps to see how you are progressing.

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
24 Jun 2022 12:26PM
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........... Happy Friday Folks !!!!!!!!!!!!!


LePhasme
WA, 58 posts
24 Jun 2022 11:03PM
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When can we try it out?

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
25 Jun 2022 12:18AM
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I need to do a little more testing, and then write the rest of the app. Its only a shell at the moment.

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
10 Nov 2022 6:55PM
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Allrighty,

The App is ready for Beta release, and will be available to download for free from the Garmin Connect IQ store in a week or so.

I say over the next week or so because the app upload has been disabled by Garmin for a couple days not as they are doing server maintenance.

Features:
It stores all your records on your watch, and when you first open the app, it will show you your best jumps to date ( which you can reset in the options menu if you need to )
Jump Number
Jump Height
Jump Length
Takeoff Speed
Hangtime

Once the watch detects another jump it will automatically dispaly the jump number at the top, and those fields underneith.
There are several features that will prevent you from being able to test this without actually pysically kitesurf jumping.

At any time after starting the app, you can scroll up or down to look at any of the jumps you have recorded in that session.

When you exit, there is a bunch of record and session stats that I have provided.

The app will log everything as an activity with Garmin Connect Mobile includinge GPS activity plot, heart rate, calories and all the usual Garmin stuff.

Suggestions or any feedback - please reply to me through the Connect IQ store

It is in Beta, the Hangtime and Jump Length and takeoff speeds I believe are extremely accurate allready.
The Jumpt height may need a little tweaking, to fine tune it, particularly if you are riding oceanic swells but I've not confirmed this yet.

Nick



Humdinger
44 posts
10 Nov 2022 7:47PM
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Good on you for having a crack but it sort of sounds like your recreating the wheel. WOO already provides what your trying to achieve, only difference is you put a woo on your board. Most crew run a few woos incase one reads a little higher than the other. Usually find there within 0.2-0.4m of each other but your chasing every bit you can when you start boosting big,..and like it was said before WOO has a decent platform for everyone to have some good competition and healthy banter with each other....also sick seeing ya mates busting big numbers and seeing when and where they are scoring wind, Some of the improvements on the surfr app look pretty cool too and no doubt few more crew will run both woo and surfr for their sessions. Good luck anyway man and I'll try your app when it comes available see how it goes.

weebitbreezy
616 posts
10 Nov 2022 8:21PM
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WOW! Good work! I'll give it a go when its available.

LePhasme
WA, 58 posts
11 Nov 2022 9:23AM
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What will be the app name in the IQ store ?

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
11 Nov 2022 11:41AM
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Humdinger said..
Good on you for having a crack but it sort of sounds like your recreating the wheel. WOO already provides what your trying to achieve, only difference is you put a woo on your board. Most crew run a few woos incase one reads a little higher than the other. Usually find there within 0.2-0.4m of each other but your chasing every bit you can when you start boosting big,..and like it was said before WOO has a decent platform for everyone to have some good competition and healthy banter with each other....also sick seeing ya mates busting big numbers and seeing when and where they are scoring wind, Some of the improvements on the surfr app look pretty cool too and no doubt few more crew will run both woo and surfr for their sessions. Good luck anyway man and I'll try your app when it comes available see how it goes.


Thanks - it's more evolving the wheel than re-creating it. Why have an external device if your watch can do everything plus more?

Also, as you know there are many things a Garmin watch will give you that a WOO cannot. Training load, calories, heart rate and all the exercise metrics, and it's free at the moment.

I do have plans to tie this in with my other Sail Racer app and offer some kind of social media page, but that is down track for now. First job is confirm the accuracy

Nick


The app is called Kite Jump for now.

The Garmin uploader is still down for maintenance as far as I can tell.... but once its up and running ( hopefully today or soon) I will post on here a link to it.

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 1058 posts
15 Nov 2022 4:10PM
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Great work Nick. Would you be sharing the code in GitHub by chance or is this going to be your "quick get rich scheme"?

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
15 Nov 2022 2:42PM
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ok people,

I had to remove some of the animation videos due to upload size restrictions, but it has been uploaded to the store now. Garmin typically approve within 3 days, so I expect you will see it by 18th November.

I've not done any wide spread testing, but my notes are:

I believe it is accurate in detecting jumps over about 2 meters high ( It may detect jumps off the back of oceanic swells ( where you basically are jumping off the back ) .... then again maybe it will not.

Hangtime should be accurate

Jump length should be accurate ( I had a report that it was over-reading, however I'm not convinced yet & need to see this to believe it. Jump length should always be bigger than jump height as a general comment )

Ther is no filtering out of crashes, so if you crash it will still record the data

Jump height probably still need to be fine tuned, and I have a method to do this, but will not see the kind of wind strength I need to do this until mid December.

There are a bunch of coming soon items, which will be added after any inaccuracies are removed

Report any bugs as feedback please in garmin connect. I cannot do any more testing now for a while, but I can alter the Beta Code

Nick



apps.garmin.com/en-US/

Kite Jump Beta



Get rich quick..... are you joking :)

If it eventually pays for another watch, or a kite I will be happy, but right now I just can't be bothered strapping devices onto my boards that need to be recharged when I think I have everything I need on my wrist already. And you know it's very satisfying when you do manage to pull something off that no-one has in the past managed to do. Originially I was going to combine this with Sail Racer, but the fact is either of them are pushing the watch CPU right up there at times, so combining them was really not an option unles you don't mind your watch screen refreshing every 4 to 8 seconds :)

It's free in Beta

thuffam
QLD, 40 posts
19 Nov 2022 12:34PM
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Good work Nick. And thanks for sharing it with everyone.
What watches will run this?
Cheers
Tim

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
19 Nov 2022 3:53PM
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Hi Tim.

It will run on all Garmin Connect IQ watches that support 3.2+, and I've also disabled small memory watches at the moment, but these should be supportable later. I recommend disabling touch screen for the app if your watch has one to avoid water pressing the screen.

So as a guide we are talking roughly Garmin fenix 6 era watches onwards ( roughly 2019 onwards ), that also support maps or MP3's or are X or Pro versions...

If you click on the link in the Garmin store, then click devices you will see the list which auto updates as I add or remove devices.

About to release 0.0.2 beta this weekend , which adds a 30 second real-time calibration mode ( while riding ), and also has some development tools for me to further validate parameters such as confirm the lift-off, landing moment in time and apex moment versus the data..... This will enable accurate fine tuning for me if any errors are detected.

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
20 Nov 2022 5:48AM
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Version 0.2.1 released, changes:
Multiple new watches supported
Auto Detection Calibration and Manual Adjust Added
Speed Added
Vibration control Added
Jump Distance bug fixed
Menu Operation improved
Development Tool - M Jump Marker added
Time added
Display options, Vibrate options, Calibrate options added
Watch Application menu settings memory added

dachopper
WA, 1782 posts
22 Nov 2022 7:03PM
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0.2.2 released - new layout for Garmin Instinct watch wearers



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