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laurie
laurie
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14 Jun 2010 3:03pm
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Kitesurfers' welcome return to Cornish beach (UK) after three-year campaign

The decision means that kitesurfers are back on the Bluff at the mouth of the River Hayle for a six-month trial period, which will involve buying a special pass and signing up to a code of conduct.

Lee Harvey, chairman of Kernow Kitesurf Club
http://www.kernowkitesurfclub.co.uk/kiting-at-the-bluff-is-back.htm , was the first in line to receive his pass and welcomed the removal of the signs which signalled the ban.

"Pulling the signs down was a great moment and a breakthrough for kitesurfing, not just in the UK but the whole world," he said.

"With this achievement it shows that it is possible to reverse decisions that have been poorly thought out.

"Kernow Kitesurf Club was formed two years ago, as individuals were getting nowhere at fighting the ban.

"By uniting all the kitesurfers throughout Cornwall, we have formed a stronger voice and policy-makers are far more likely to take notice of us as an officially recognised club.

"We aim to protect access to all the kite spots throughout Cornwall and hope that our members will encourage everyone to abide by the code and form a good working relationship with Hayle Harbour, the fishermen and everyone who uses the estuary in the future."

The ban was imposed three years ago amid claims kitesurfing was making the fast-flowing river mouth impossible to navigate.

For the six-month trial period, kitesurfers will be asked to pay for a pass, which must be worn on their harness while on the water, and sign a code of conduct.

To be able to ride within the jurisdiction of Hayle Harbour Authority, kitesurfers have been warned to stick to the code, hold valid insurance and be a member of the British Kite Surfing Association.

Mr Harvey said failing to comply could mean rogue kitesurfers being handed a ?1,000 fine and causing an outright ban to be re-imposed.

He urged kitesurfers not to squander three years worth of meetings, discussions and campaigning to have the prime site reopened to the sport, and to ensure they bought a pass and signed the code of conduct.

He added: "We are hopeful in the future we will be able to accommodate learners and have a longer activity window. For now, we just need to prove that this licensing agreement can work.

"We would like to hear from local kiters who can help represent the club on the beach, and in doing so will be helping to secure our long-term future at this great venue."

WAKSA
WAKSA
WA
813 posts
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14 Jun 2010 3:55pm
Nice find Laurie
And yes it does give one example of winning back ground.
But its far better and far easier not to lose it in the first place.
That's what WAKSA is all about.
NOW isthe time for new people to step up to the c'tee for season 2010/11.
The AGM has been set for July 21st - official notices going out soon.
Its bound to be an 'interesting' and action packed year. Why not join the crew for a season or two? Give a bit back and have heaps of fun doing it!
Questions or indications of nominations are most welcome - waksa(at)waksa.org.au
iandvnt
iandvnt
QLD
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14 Jun 2010 7:00pm
Will involve buying a special pass and signing up to a code of conduct.

and some riders think that is good thing? wtf is going on folks. Get with the plan
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
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14 Jun 2010 7:32pm
I think if it stops a popular site being shut down, then it's a good thing. In another spot in the UK, Hayling Island (one of my favourite spots anywhere) you have to be a member of BKSA and the HKSA (a little extra on the BKSA, but you get access to the hot shower at the Pub). The beach is essentially private (it belongs to the golf club) and there are areas of environmental interest they don't want you stomping all over so by acknowledging the terms of membership everyone gets along really well (there are also circuit rules laid out - ride out, stay high, ride in come in low.)

Its no different to when you go to a ski resort and buy a lift ticket you have to observe the mountain code and can get kicked off the mountain if you blatantly ignore the rules.

The only part would be to make sure the cost of the pass is not too prohibitive (cover costs of printing the pass and for someone to administer the system)

I'm starting to think there is a need for something like this at St Kilda, esp in the kiddie pool - people have no clues about the rules there!

This site in the UK obviously gets heavy use from different types of users and if it is a river mouth, there probably isn't much leeway for powered craft to manoeuvre around kiters.
Juddy
Juddy
WA
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14 Jun 2010 5:40pm

Kiters in WA are facing increasingly hostile responses from the community – look @ Joondalup/Mullaloo as one example.

In my opinion, the kiting community needs to start thinking about how we as a group can minimise those hostile responses, which in some cases may also result in bans or restrictions.

If a kiter could show the non-kiting public that he or she is of a certain standard (and can ‘prove’ that standard) it might go some way towards easing the public’s growing concern/opposition to kiting at places like Mullaloo.

One way that those standards might be proven, might be through some form of licensing. Indeed, it’s an ugly prospect and one I don’t want to see happen but it is something that we need to consider as a possibility.

The question for kiters to really think about is this: do we start working towards setting those standards ourselves, and if so, what’s the best way to do that; or do we have someone (i.e. government) impose them on us?

Let’s have the debate crew – we can’t afford not to.
tgladman
tgladman
WA
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14 Jun 2010 6:11pm
hate to point out the negatives juddy but haven't we been having this discussion for a long time now?
"For the six-month trial period, kitesurfers will be asked to pay for a pass" will this cost be removed at the successful completion of the trial? i think not, increasing kiting population means more an more money for the council for what? -seriously just like dog registration, what do they do to earn that? -thats for suckers. just like a kiting licensing system where we would pay the council for our right to kite at the beach.
yes i agree we need to be pro-active towards finding a solution, but we def don't want to go down that road.
its been said a million times but there's possibly a d!ckh3ad or 2 driving on our roads with a perfectly intact licence.
dusta
dusta
WA
2940 posts
WA, 2940 posts
14 Jun 2010 6:13pm
the problem is though how will these passes be policed . We have too many long stretches of coastline . I think it's good in principle but i would also be opposed to paying for a pass everytime i wanted to go kiting . According to google maps that opening is only a 100m wide or so . I can understand why the boaties want the kiters out of there
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
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14 Jun 2010 6:50pm
User pays fees are not about to happen (as per the trial 1st cited here) but pressure is building rapidly for kiters to justify themselves and their sport to the satisfaction of others. It is simply an unavoidable eventuality.

Consider this.
Im about to go and get my dive ticket. $475 plus a $? medical for what? To get a required piece of paper which states that I have been taught to dive correctly and safely. Why should I have to get this ticket? As a diver I will never be endangering anyone (other than myself) regardless of how responsibly or irresponsibly I behave. Yet no-one ever questions the fact that the dive industry revolves around this entry level licensing regulation as a doorway into the sport.
There isnt now; nor has there ever been any public expectation placed on scuba divers yet this licensing system has been accepted world wide. There are far greater and far more obvious reasons for the public to expect kiters to have some basic level of training and knowledge before they go mixing it with other beach users and the passing public.
Nobody wants to see rules and regulations brought into the kiting arena but anyone expecting the anybody, anything, anywhere goes situation to continue is fooling themself. The best course of action for kiters is for kiters to determine their own fate. The only other outcome will be otherwise uninformed councils banning everyone from everywhere but a few short stretches of beachfront. (like Joondalups plan for 2 x 350M bits out of 17.5km !!!!)
Luckily Joondalup are listening before applying these disasterous 'dog beach' type restrictions to kiting. But it is up to kiters to offer the public reassurance. Coming head to head with councils one after the other is not going to get us what we want and need as a sport long term.
Time for kiters to decide whats to be done.
bennie
bennie
ACT
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14 Jun 2010 10:00pm
The local kiters at that cornish beach must be stoked to get their local back.

IMO it is inevitable that in popular city kiting locations access will be severely restricted across the board in the not to distant future. A consequence of the sports rapidly growing popularity.The only places that we will be able to enjoy the freedom that exists now will be outside populated areas. This may seem pesimistic, but unfortunatly this process is already beginning in many areas around the world right now.

One of the big problems is that kiting is such an individual pursiut, that by it's very nature people are unlikely to join groups/clubs to protect their local spots in the needed proactive manner. More likley in a reactive manner when it's already to late!.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
14 Jun 2010 8:19pm
[b]bennie said....The only places that we will be able to enjoy the freedom that exists now will be outside populated areas.

I thought it already was
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
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14 Jun 2010 8:25pm
bennie said...

One of the big problems is that kiting is such an individual pursiut, that by it's very nature people are unlikely to join groups/clubs to protect their local spots in the needed proactive manner.

Why not join a club
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
14 Jun 2010 9:20pm
Eventually even the Poms get it..........but folks, be wary, the world is being taken over by the lawyers. Now that the banksters and the big business oil men are found out, the people will support the lawyers to do justice........and just you wait when it comes to rules and regulations, you ain't seen nothing yet.

I'm just happy for my cousins in Lake Eyre.
SaveTheWhales
SaveTheWhales
WA
1913 posts
WA, 1913 posts
14 Jun 2010 10:32pm
Did somebody say euros & local idots ?????????

Once upon a time Jet skiers had dicheads charging all the beaches and now they are all under control.... Just like kiters WILL be because sticks and stones will break their bones but WORDS will never hurt them

If someone gave it enough thought, give up the coastline
for the exclusive use of the best possible kite spots like trigg does with surfing. That way we have not lost anything except crappy choppy water which is all funked up anyway.

Make people carry there license (mobiles arnt a problem ) Fine people outside these zones or if no licence, automatically conviscate kitegear and give them 14 days to produce it or loose gear !

Lancelin seems to have kiteing under policing control by the local sheriff

Bring it on and force kiters to smarten up with an exclusive compromise for what will be the best possible outcome - The End is Near
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
15 Jun 2010 12:56am
Kiting sucks. It's expensive, dangerous, difficult, and a fast-dying fad.

That's what you should tell the next hundred people who ask you about it.

Although you probably shouldn't let on that you do it at all.

Population growth (of the world in general or of our sport in particular) will be limited either by conflict that arises from overcrowding or by wise population policy that keeps our numbers, and our impact, low.

au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
15 Jun 2010 3:10pm
SaveTheWhales said...

Did somebody say euros & local idots ?????????

Once upon a time Jet skiers had dicheads charging all the beaches and now they are all under control.... Just like kiters WILL be because sticks and stones will break their bones but WORDS will never hurt them

If someone gave it enough thought, give up the coastline
for the exclusive use of the best possible kite spots like trigg does with surfing. That way we have not lost anything except crappy choppy water which is all funked up anyway.

Make people carry there license (mobiles arnt a problem ) Fine people outside these zones or if no licence, automatically conviscate kitegear and give them 14 days to produce it or loose gear !

Lancelin seems to have kiteing under policing control by the local sheriff

Bring it on and force kiters to smarten up with an exclusive compromise for what will be the best possible outcome - The End is Near


F%CK the license, how many other people have to pay to use the beach (except you idiot at scarbs or wherever it is in Perth).
If one beach user has to pay then so should all others.
That doesn't remove the need to be a responsible beach user though, and all idiots who can't act responsibly should be banned as a matter of course.

iandvnt
iandvnt
QLD
581 posts
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15 Jun 2010 8:44pm
"and just you wait when it comes to rules and regulations, you ain't seen nothing yet."
yep...

"and there are areas of environmental interest they don't want you stomping all over" What pollution and dead fish? - ah no there are no fish left forgot about that lol

What kind of ****ed up idea is it to pay to kite, that is sooooo ****ed up! Someone needs to harden the **** up and not put up with this kind of **** agreement.

and leave those kind of ****ed up ideas for above the equator please.

and if you can help someone at the beach - do that don't sit there laughing (for too long anyway). I don't see why kiting is any different to other recreational water sports - you give mutual respect and consideration to other bech users - what you need a bloody pass for this do you? its a crock of ****

I read about this place and it seems the kiters that live there are being disrespected by a foreign company (non uk) paid to manage the estaury. There is more than one fundamental problem there lol

Power to the people that fight, and don't sit around and suck up.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
15 Jun 2010 6:59pm
All sounds pretty gay to me.
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2575 posts
NSW, 2575 posts
16 Jun 2010 10:04am
can anyone tell us why windsurfing is left alone then? why should tea baggers be hassled and not polies??
the gaz
the gaz
WA
173 posts
WA, 173 posts
16 Jun 2010 12:56pm
I guess they know ultimately that windsurfing will die out as more see the light and start teabagging.
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
16 Jun 2010 1:03pm
^^^ er, to take a wild guess I'd say it's because no matter how inept a wind surfer is, you'll never see them sweeping the foreshore of grannies, mums, kids and passing traffic with an out of control kite and 25m of cheese-cutter lines.
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
VIC, 1395 posts
16 Jun 2010 6:24pm
it takes real skill to kill someone windsurfing, but any idiot can die at the lines of a kite.
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
16 Jun 2010 4:47pm
colinwill78 said...

it takes real skill to kill someone windsurfing, but any idiot can die at the lines of a kite.


Yeah those big fins, huge boards and limited visibility because you have a huge sheet in front of you while traveling at pretty fast speeds aren't dangerous at all...
tgladman
tgladman
WA
500 posts
WA, 500 posts
16 Jun 2010 6:56pm
sir ROWDY said...

colinwill78 said...

it takes real skill to kill someone windsurfing, but any idiot can die at the lines of a kite.


Yeah those big fins, huge boards and limited visibility because you have a huge sheet in front of you while traveling at pretty fast speeds aren't dangerous at all...


rowdy i'm usually a fan of your work but seriously, making a comparison is a joke. when was the last time u seen a poley looping outta control into a carpark/road/public beach? if a poley's equpiment was even considered dangerous what area would u give it? 2m square? and a kite??????
sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
5378 posts
WA, 5378 posts
16 Jun 2010 9:32pm
I wasn't comparing it... Meerly saying that it doesn't take "real skill" it is still quiet easy to kill someone if you hit them with a windsurfer. Hey you can kill someone if you hit them with a surfboard to.

Also I think you will find the person who dies at the hand of a kite is almost 100% the person who is riding it. Lets see the statistics on how many people have been killed by a kitesurfer in Australia... Then also compare that to the amount killed by surfboards, yeah.
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