Kiting Project in PNG

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ruffryder61
ruffryder61
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22 May 2009 7:12pm
Hi everybody,

I will be teaching and travelling in PNG in mid mid July, from Port Moresby along the coast, the Trobes ( a big culture Festival in PNG) and villages and hoping to teach/showcase as many kids/ people as possible.

Since the average family income in PNG is about $50 per week they can't effort kiteboarding gear.

Please support our project and sponsor Kites, Boards, Harnesses, Trainer kites, pretty much anything that will help getting the kids started there.
The gear can be old but has to be functional.

If you would like to support this project please contact me on:

[email protected]

For further information about surfing and kiteboarding in PNG please check out:

http://www.surfingpapuanewguinea.org.pg/kite_surfing.htm

Looking forward for your support! Supporters will get credit in media publications and film!



Thanx so much!
Peace and bless up,
Marve*

Jacko B
Jacko B
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22 May 2009 7:25pm
sounds like it will be a mad trip, good for the kids up there for sure. good luck with getting some gear for the lads and lasses up that way.
andyy
andyy
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23 May 2009 11:41am
That's awesome news. Those kids would be so good at kiting, given the opportunity. Hope all goes well..
hardhat
hardhat
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23 May 2009 7:38pm
Mate, I think your idea might not be such a good one. By all means go to png and kite yourself stupid all day and sip SP's all night but be very careful giving locals, kids in particular kite gear. The saying "it's all good fun till someone loses an eye" has big ramifications in png. They still operate at a local level by the "pay back system". If someone is hurt compansation will become a big issue. If someone (unlikely I know) were killed, then you would be killed. It happened at the airport where I worked when a mob killed 2 guys with star pickets (pulled out of the ground there and then) because they ran over a child driving to the airport. As the story goes the child didn't die so pay back then had to go back the other way. I used to surf in the back blocks up there and never left a board for the kids for this reason. I think you might have to ajust the way you calculate personal risk bofore you get there. This is not a trip to indo. There is serious poverty and serious crime going on in the major towns. Mainly morsby, Lae and the high lands. There is a reason anyone with any cash lives behind a big fence with razor wire and armed gaurds. You will be fine in the coastal villages but you will need to develope a nose for trouble and think twice about what your doing at night, and always remember, life sadly, can be pretty cheap up there. And no, I'm not going to tell you where the best waves are. Have fun, stay safe and don't try to save the world on your first day.
surfingboye
surfingboye
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23 May 2009 9:28pm
hardhat said...

Mate, I think your idea might not be such a good one. By all means go to png and kite yourself stupid all day and sip SP's all night but be very careful giving locals, kids in particular kite gear. The saying "it's all good fun till someone loses an eye" has big ramifications in png. They still operate at a local level by the "pay back system". If someone is hurt compansation will become a big issue. If someone (unlikely I know) were killed, then you would be killed. It happened at the airport where I worked when a mob killed 2 guys with star pickets (pulled out of the ground there and then) because they ran over a child driving to the airport. As the story goes the child didn't die so pay back then had to go back the other way. I used to surf in the back blocks up there and never left a board for the kids for this reason. I think you might have to ajust the way you calculate personal risk bofore you get there. This is not a trip to indo. There is serious poverty and serious crime going on in the major towns. Mainly morsby, Lae and the high lands. There is a reason anyone with any cash lives behind a big fence with razor wire and armed gaurds. You will be fine in the coastal villages but you will need to develope a nose for trouble and think twice about what your doing at night, and always remember, life sadly, can be pretty cheap up there. And no, I'm not going to tell you where the best waves are. Have fun, stay safe and don't try to save the world on your first day.


good post mate. PNG certainly is a dangerous country. you certainly dont feel too safe when you look around and see barbed fences, broken glass wall, and big punts everywhere.
lotofwind
lotofwind
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23 May 2009 9:46pm
First of all,good on ya for promoting the sport and helping people less fortunate than us lucky enough to live in awsome aussie land.BUT, what happends when you show them the fun of kite boarding,give them some second hand gear to use,then in 6 months time the gear is trashed,un-usable,they are addicted to it,but earning $50 a week,cant afford to get more gear?That would be really depressing.

Sorry,not trying to be negative,just know how frustrated I would be being in love with the sport and if I was not able to get gear to use,aaarrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhh.

Good onya though.Your doing alot more than me sitting here haveing a beer and critersizing you.
good luck with it all.

PS. If you want someone to come over there with you,all expenses paid of courseto help you surf and kite uncrowded,perfection.Dont hesertate to contact me.lol
ruffryder61
ruffryder61
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24 May 2009 2:05pm
andyy said...

That's awesome news. Those kids would be so good at kiting, given the opportunity. Hope all goes well..


would have loved to have you on board Andy- you are excused not being involved this time cuz you will make Australia proud ripping it up at PKRA events.

DUDE
DUDE
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1132 posts
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24 May 2009 2:11pm
got some gear for you if you want ,ie 2 wipika kitres, a bic 6.6 board,harness,still searching for some bars let me know when and where you would like it sent.
DUDE
DUDE
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24 May 2009 2:14pm
got some gear for you ie 2 wipika kites/pump ,1 bic 6.6 directional,a harness still searching for some bars,let me know where wnd when you want it
DUDE
DUDE
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24 May 2009 2:16pm
got some gear for ya ,ie 2 wipika kites ,pump,1 6.6 bic directional,1 harness,still looking for bars for kites ,let me know where and when you want it
ruffryder61
ruffryder61
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24 May 2009 2:16pm
hardhat said...

Mate, I think your idea might not be such a good one. By all means go to png and kite yourself stupid all day and sip SP's all night but be very careful giving locals, kids in particular kite gear. The saying "it's all good fun till someone loses an eye" has big ramifications in png. They still operate at a local level by the "pay back system". If someone is hurt compansation will become a big issue. If someone (unlikely I know) were killed, then you would be killed. It happened at the airport where I worked when a mob killed 2 guys with star pickets (pulled out of the ground there and then) because they ran over a child driving to the airport. As the story goes the child didn't die so pay back then had to go back the other way. I used to surf in the back blocks up there and never left a board for the kids for this reason. I think you might have to ajust the way you calculate personal risk bofore you get there. This is not a trip to indo. There is serious poverty and serious crime going on in the major towns. Mainly morsby, Lae and the high lands. There is a reason anyone with any cash lives behind a big fence with razor wire and armed gaurds. You will be fine in the coastal villages but you will need to develope a nose for trouble and think twice about what your doing at night, and always remember, life sadly, can be pretty cheap up there. And no, I'm not going to tell you where the best waves are. Have fun, stay safe and don't try to save the world on your first day.


Thanx for you concerns mate, i will be there travelling with locals and guys from the PNG Surfing Association.
I have been traveling in the South Americans, SE Asia, Eastern Europe and Africa so i have a bit of a "nose for trouble".
This project is supposed to be the start of a sustainable extension of the surfing scene in PNG and therefore a start and trial.

I have friends that sailed to PNG and spent months there without experiencing any dangerous situations.

Paradox
Paradox
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24 May 2009 4:46pm
Sounds like fun, there is no doubt you will have a blast.

From my experience up there (I learnt to kite in PNG, taught informally by the master JayP himself), whilst a lofty goal, teaching the local kids to kite and giving them old gear does have some issues, mainly safety. Village kids go nuts when they see kites and tend to swarm, both in and out of the water and I have had some issues trying to land on a few occasions with so many about.

I shudder to think about local kids learning by themselves in crowded situations in the regular 25kts they get up there this time of year....Local kids do things in big groups and even if you teach a few how to be safe, there will 15 grabbing the gear off them as soon as you are gone. There is also the issue of what happens when they get the first blow out, tear, boken line, etc etc. They really can't afford to fix anything, and repair/maintenance is not a big thing in the culture.

JayP and his family have donated a whole heap of windsurfing gear to the local kids and they are truly amazing how they have taught themselves, and they learn to repair sails and stuff as they have a natural seafaring/sailing culture, but most importantly they can't really hurt themselves with the poley stuff.

If you are hooked up with the surfing association then you will already be in contact with JayP, and he will be able to steer the best approach, and I like the showcase aspect - just somone doing trips like this is a good thing and your presence will mean a lot to the locals, but I think there are better things you can do instead of teaching kids and handing out old kite gear. Make your way down to Hula, that is the best spot and has probably only been kited a handfull of times.....ever.

PNG is actuallly pretty safe once you get out of Moresby, don't expect much in the way of 5 star comfort though...

ruffryder61
ruffryder61
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29 May 2009 10:13am
THANX HEAPS TO ALL THE SUPPORTERS AND GEAR THA WE HAVE ALREADY SOURCED!!

Keep it coming and we will see some great young talent coming from PNG at comps in OZ very soon!

small kites and a few more boards would be great!

Please have a look in your shed and see what you can find of gear laying around!

Bless up!
hangtime
hangtime
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30 May 2009 8:33pm
From little things big things grow. Good luck. Naysayers evrywhere?
myusernam
myusernam
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30 May 2009 11:08pm
I dunno - I'm thinking kids from PNG don't need to learn to kite. It's to gear intensive and expensive. You'll have one kite per thousands of kids and if one bit craps out it's useless. Prolly end up used as tarps or sails. Also if one does get keen what then? they wont be able to afford it.
If you care by all means go and help out with something that is desperatley needed like immunisation or education. Find some kid that is dying for the sake of $50 and help em out but why teach them to kite just because you like it? how much of it is about you being an adventure man and having stories to tell compared to the children of PNG? I'd feel like a bit of a wanker going over there and telling the parents I'm doing a good thing teaching their kids to kite when they're struggling to eat or walking around on a broken leg. If any of them hurt themselves they won't be able to afford to travel to a doctor, get an x-ray. Old Kite would be far better off used as a sail on the on the village canoe. That would improve their quality of life.
ruffryder61
ruffryder61
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31 May 2009 8:12pm
myusernam said...

I dunno - I'm thinking kids from PNG don't need to learn to kite. It's to gear intensive and expensive. You'll have one kite per thousands of kids and if one bit craps out it's useless. Prolly end up used as tarps or sails. Also if one does get keen what then? they wont be able to afford it.
If you care by all means go and help out with something that is desperatley needed like immunisation or education. Find some kid that is dying for the sake of $50 and help em out but why teach them to kite just because you like it? how much of it is about you being an adventure man and having stories to tell compared to the children of PNG? I'd feel like a bit of a wanker going over there and telling the parents I'm doing a good thing teaching their kids to kite when they're struggling to eat or walking around on a broken leg. If any of them hurt themselves they won't be able to afford to travel to a doctor, get an x-ray. Old Kite would be far better off used as a sail on the on the village canoe. That would improve their quality of life.


u cant be serious with this post!?


hirschausen
hirschausen
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31 May 2009 6:53pm
Well, ruffrider61 obviously you aren't serious about yours....
bumspin
bumspin
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1 Jun 2009 7:59pm
I lived in Port Moresby and ran a business there for many years and employed over 70 of the locals. Some of the postings above may be a little critical however are probably pretty well spot on !! If you are thinking about taking gear over to teach the locals forget it, you will achieve no good out of it and possibly do as others have explained a lot of damage. It would be better to sell the gear and invest in a stack of NRL footballs, this is wheere their passion lies and one of the best opportunities they have of getting out of their disgraceful 3rd world existance. The average Papua New Guinean is a great person, we grew very fond of them but the facts are it is a 3rd world country with horrendous crimes, yes you can travel up and down the coast and within POM for a short time or over a life time and never see the dark side but NOTE when it happens there is nothing more hidieous then what a bunch of PNG's can do to a living person. This does not make then any less likeable, it is just the way they are and within their culture mixed with poverty.
Be very careful whom you travel with, a simple trip to Hola which I have done many times can end up in a major disaster, I was always entertained by the newer expats believe that they knew what they were doing and it would never happen to them or that they were in control, only to hear many times over of a serious attack. If I was attending which I would consider doing, I would be reasonably confident of sourcing the correct people to travel with (coupled with fire power). I did notice that Jason Pini is involved, I would consider Jasons involvment as experienced but I would also be concerned that a number of long term expats do become very complacent at times.
PS If the Jason gets to read this - please say hello to your Dad Kevin from Mark Laruffa
JayP
JayP
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2 Jun 2009 9:46pm
Yes PNG certainly has its challenges no doubt.

The majority of our teaching time will spent at a village on the outskirts of Port Moresby at the windsurfing club...... yes the windsurfing club.

It was re established 2 years ago as an activity to keep the kids off the street and away from crime & drugs. I helped kick it off by giving them all my families old sailing gear. Last season i went down and watched 20+ kids taking turns and ripping on the old stuff. some of the better kids were throwing duck gybes even!!! with only a season behind them. They have some amazing natural talent.

Since then the club has established a proper executive with a constitution, joined the national sports federation... generally doing everything right to show that the people behind it are serious about their club and the benefits it brings to the kids in the village. So i am prepared to help out and support their efforts where i can

We ran a surf life saving course earlier this year with several of the club members participating..... So this is not a half baked concept we are working on here.

So we are going to get out there and see if kiting works. i know the guys at the club are keen to see what it is all about and have a go.

hey Mark L i'll pass on the hello. dad knocked off work early today to go sailing, keen as ever.


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