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pintofpale
pintofpale
SA
229 posts
SA, 229 posts
4 Mar 2008 2:31am
Was reading the tennis elbow thread and got me thinking about knees.. anyone else have this problem and does it go away when you have been kiting for a while and strengthened them up? After a session mine ache like crazy for about 30min. I'm fine on the water but when I hit the beach...Ouch! Maybe this will go away as I only started kiting this season.. I'm sure there are lots of knee stories out there.

And before anyone says it ..I know HTFU!
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
4 Mar 2008 1:12am
Hey pintofpale,

It may be the board you are riding If you are riding a very stiff board in choppy waters, the knees can cop quite a beating. Depending upon your age and the reason for the pain, glucosamine can be a real help.

A board with good flex will soak up some chop, also a double concave can smooth out the ride. Could be that you are riding in a spot which is too choppy.

Let us know where you ride and the type of board and we may be able to offer better advice.

Good winds,

fver
fver
WA
453 posts
WA, 453 posts
4 Mar 2008 2:12am
Hey Pintofpale,

You can have a smoother ride with a longer board. Such board will not follow all the little bumps of the ocean. It will need to be relatively narrow in order to allow you to hold the edge in powered conditions. Also, it needs consistant speed to plan (or you sink!). These types of board are not common.

And yeah! you r right, HTFU

Cheers,

Fred

fver
fver
WA
453 posts
WA, 453 posts
4 Mar 2008 2:17am
Hey again, Pintofpale,

As I ve got bad knees from various traumatizes (in particular motorbike) i always ride with knee braces. I like to believe that they saved my knees a few times...

OK, I can HTFU...

Cheers,

Fred

Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse
WA
592 posts
WA, 592 posts
4 Mar 2008 2:49am
I had to get surgery on my knee after a kiting mishap (I tore my Medial Miniscus in my left knee) and that sidelined me from kiting for like 3 months and when getting better I could only go out for 20 mins to 1/2 an hour before it swelled up. But my point is, my other knee started feeling a little off too, but I now use a Glucosamine Chondroitin Supplement and it seems to help quite a lot. My knees feel a lot better nowdays. So try that, it may help.

D
Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse
WA
592 posts
WA, 592 posts
4 Mar 2008 2:50am
And BTW, HTFU
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
4 Mar 2008 12:49pm
I used to have really bad problems with my knees, mostly from an old rugby injury.
After kiting I stuggled on stairs and had lots of pain just walking about.

Someone recommended bikram yoga - basically yoga in a heated room.
Its a 90 minute workout and lots of it works on the strengthening the knees... the guy who invented it was a body builder who was told he would never walk again because he dropped a weight on his knees.....

after doing about 10 sessions of this yoga 2 years ago - I have not had knee pain any more,
I only go to the yoga about once a month now, which seems to be enough to keep them strong. highly recommended.


au_rick
au_rick
WA
752 posts
WA, 752 posts
4 Mar 2008 1:35pm
I feel your pain,
I've had cartilidge out of both knees and have to be pretty careful these days.

One thing that can cause almost instant knee pain is the angle of your bindings.
Try setting them up so your toes point our more.

Also would agree about the type of board, I ride a wake board which has a double concave and more rocker than a typical kiteboard and this is noticeably softer on my knees than my other boards, but I guess any board with more rocker and flex will help.


Turmere
Turmere
SA
8 posts
SA, 8 posts
4 Mar 2008 3:34pm
fver said...

Hey again, Pintofpale,

As I ve got bad knees from various traumatizes (in particular motorbike) i always ride with knee braces. I like to believe that they saved my knees a few times...

OK, I can HTFU...

Cheers,

Fred




What sort of braces do you use? I have been looking around but haven't really found any that I like.

Can anyone name a few bords that really fit the profile 'more rocker and flex'

Cheers Johan
getfunky
getfunky
WA
4485 posts
WA, 4485 posts
4 Mar 2008 4:04pm
My board is stiff-ish (LF Drop standard) but my LF Profile straps compensate very nicely. They are super cushy and I recomend them to try.

I ride in very choppy stuff always. I liked my board/straps immediately but still got aches in my right knee until one day when I bothered to look down and notice that my right leg/foot is splayed out more than my left.

I took the 2 minutes to rotate my right strap connections around one increment and presto!! Seriously look at your alignment and experiment with minor adjustments to the way your straps are splayed - you won't regret it. I have no more nagging knee aches at all really and I have caned my knees/ankles over the years.
chrwar
chrwar
QLD
272 posts
QLD, 272 posts
4 Mar 2008 7:45pm
Hey pintofale,
Just recently been kiting in WA and riding with some of the tour guys. I noticed one of them had added EVA foam under his footpads on the heel side only. I asked him why..his reply was simple... to stop knee and back pain.

I have been riding with a knee brace after rupturing medial ligament and menicus from wakeboarding. I almost certainly come off the water with knee pain until I tried putting this foam under my pads also. The result was immediate, because of the increased heel lift it puts you into a more anotomically and biomechanically correct position, similar to that of other board sports such as wakeboarding and snowboarding, thus loading your quads and glutes properly to help absorb shock. With flatter pads we tend to be over stretching through the hamstrings and low back which actually distributes the shock directly through the knee and hip joints as opposed to the muscles.

I tried with two by 18mm pieces at first, but have since found that I only need one piece of the eva foam. I just cut it out to the shape of the footpad (heelside) and glued it to the bottom of the pad. It also helps landings to blind and revert etc due to better weight distribution over the toesdie edge, it also helps with heelside edging as you dont have to pull up super hard on your feet. Try it, ley me know

Cheers Chris Wardell
taterchip
taterchip
QLD
211 posts
QLD, 211 posts
4 Mar 2008 8:23pm
Chris

could you please post some pics of this.

thanks.
chrwar
chrwar
QLD
272 posts
QLD, 272 posts
4 Mar 2008 8:49pm
yeah I'll try with my phone as we put the digi camera in the drink!
chrwar
chrwar
QLD
272 posts
QLD, 272 posts
4 Mar 2008 9:35pm
No photo's sorry! It is pretty simple though. I ride the Lunacy which is a very stiff board with a very flat bottom, not the greatest for riders with bad knees. Now with the the EVA foam wedge or insert I have no riding relating soreness.

I went to clark rubber and bought half a yoga mat which was 18mm thick. Took off the foot pads and marked out on the foam the heel side pad. Cut it out and originally stuck two pieces of foam together and then glued to under side of pad. The double thickness worked really well for reducing knee and back pain but added more pressure to my arches so I took one of them away leaving 1 x 18mm piece of EVA foam under the existing foot pad hence doubling the thickness and support of the original slingshot pads.

I have found this to be the greatest addition to kiting, no longer do I suffer from low back pain and knee pain associated with riding. It is fantastic for those of us who are a little older and stiffer especially around ankle joints and low back stiffness.

Be interested in riders feedback to see if it works on a broader scale!
don
don
QLD
56 posts
don don
QLD, 56 posts
4 Mar 2008 10:29pm
Hey Pinto'
I'm 53 and been kiting for about five years with periodic knee pain. Previous comments are on the money as I found these things seem to work. Maybe add fish oil to the mix. Could all be in the mind though. But its worth it to keep kiting.
I've found the liquid force footpads to be really soft and great on the heels and cushion the knees.
airsail
airsail
QLD
1604 posts
QLD, 1604 posts
4 Mar 2008 10:34pm
Hi pintofpale,
Had an eposode last year of knee pain in both knee's after kiting. Ended up getting an MRI of the right knee as this was the worst one. Doc said no probs, knee was in great condition for my age (mid 40's).
Problem was Iliotibial Band Syndrome, caused by the large tendon that runs down the outside of the thigh to the knee gets inflamed as it passes over the side of the knee and causes pain at or around the knee cap.
It is a really common runners injury but we get it too, especially if you have a big session after a bit of a layoff. Went to physio, they gave me stretching with has sorted it but it takes awhile, mine happened over 12 months ago and it still flares up a bit. Doc said the give away was that both knees were effected, injuries like torn tendons or meniscus probs tend to only hit one.
Tim
Cabron
Cabron
QLD
363 posts
QLD, 363 posts
4 Mar 2008 11:03pm
Bad knee and ankles, firstly get on glucosamine, fish oil and the new one I've added is Shark Cartilage(tablets of revenge....jokes)...would have trouble walking without it
The foam pads sound a treat, this weeks plan for sure.
Not sure about board size, I find my bigger board is worse on flat / chop, however find my short board worst in the waves
My problem is as soon as it get below 20*c all my joints start to ache and become way to stiff.....
only young(ish), shouldn't be arthritis yet, however knee op's and years of impact sports might have taken their toll, anyone got any other remedies
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
4 Mar 2008 10:56pm
I ride a lot and have bad knees from too much basketball. After getting a surfboard last year I find by alternating between a twinny and strapless board you learn to ride more by feel and can really reduce the bounce...and laying back in the water using your harness to carry the weight is key.
pintofpale
pintofpale
SA
229 posts
SA, 229 posts
5 Mar 2008 12:01pm
Thanks for all the tips guys...

Yep it might be my footpads.. Knee pain is worse the choppier it gets. I ride a board I made but its a good one (I'm a pro woodworker for a living) Vac bagged single concave to flat on the edges laminated and glassed with 6oz and epoxy. BUT....the food-pads could do with some improving. I'll try the foam under the heel trick and also the toe out angle suggested. My board is 142 and quite flexy..I 'm already on the glucosamine and fish oil... Anyway I read somewhere in the forum that lawn bowls is statistically the most dangerous thing you can do..Those guys n gals must really suffer in the knees! Anyone know a lawn bowl forum I can get some tips off?

POP
Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
NSW, 1351 posts
6 Mar 2008 12:20am
any info on knee braces would be greatly appreciated.
i tore my ACL, PCL and LCL in my right knee in mid jan, so yeah if ya havent guessed i'm already dying to get back on the water even though i've got one more operation and many more months of rehab.

i've looked into gall bros and asterix. does anyone know if ys can get a medibank rebate on any of the "atheletic" braces?
cheers
didi
didi
QLD
44 posts
QLD, 44 posts
8 Mar 2008 2:48pm
I have a ruptured ACL, torn LCL, cartilege etc etc you know the story. Full
surgical reconstruction. I wear a brace as pictured.
Brand is Donjoy - about $200



Check out www.kneeshop.com for some ideas. The support pictured is ideal
for kiting cos its made from wetsuit type material and doesn't rust. It has a
complex (double) hinge which mimics the hinge nature of a real knee. The
support prevents hyper-extension and dislocation due to rotation. It won't help
much with sore knees from chop impact however. The support won't make
your knee bulletproof - if your knee is completely blown plan to spend $500
on a more robust support.

Take the supplements mentioned by others, and most importantly keep the
quadruceps REAL strong. My physiotherapist used to strap a 25 kg weight
boot to my foot and get me to do straight leg raises - they really help to
stabilise the knee. Avoid kiting with your front leg held straight - instant
sore knee when you get off the water.
fver
fver
WA
453 posts
WA, 453 posts
9 Mar 2008 1:22am
Turmere said...

What sort of braces do you use? I have been looking around but haven't really found any that I like.

Can anyone name a few bords that really fit the profile 'more rocker and flex'

Cheers Johan


Johan,

I use a relatively flexible knee brace:
the FUTURO SPORT Adjustable Knee Support.
I am not an expert in knee braces and I did not get any advise from professionals; I found this one at the local chemist. As my knees are kind of still in one piece, these braces give me a little extra support without compromising too much flexibility. I wear them under a wetsuit so that they stay in place.

Fred

poleboarder
poleboarder
VIC
4 posts
VIC, 4 posts
1 May 2008 2:49pm
Check out this brace, Australia Owned.
www.podactive.com/
Here is a review from a US wakeboarding site
www.thewakeplace.com/Whats%20Up/files/b098a231ae899b7c271f0a111bab3a88-14.html
poleboarder
poleboarder
VIC
4 posts
VIC, 4 posts
1 May 2008 2:50pm
Check out this brace, Australia Owned.
www.podactive.com/
Here is a review from a US wakeboarding site
www.thewakeplace.com/Whats%20Up/files/b098a231ae899b7c271f0a111bab3a88-14.html
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