Launching, kite placement?

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vishy
vishy
WA
451 posts
WA, 451 posts
30 Oct 2008 11:03pm
Hi guys,

Just interested to know on which side of the window most people are launching their kites from the beach, with the kite closest to the water or the beach?

Personally I've always launched with the kite towards the water, less chance of hitting something if lofted,

Beachside or waterside?

Thanks
Matt
jonojonojono
jonojonojono
79 posts
79 posts
30 Oct 2008 11:30pm
Next time you launch. Have a long hard look downwind. Not to the side of the wind, but downwind. Reason? Cause thats what you'll hit if you get lofted.

Ever been lofted on land? I have my downwind was clear.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
30 Oct 2008 11:36pm
People will say ocean side, just because it seems safer. But i agree with Jonojonojono. If it hits the fan, your going straight downwind.
TOAD
TOAD
NSW
305 posts
NSW, 305 posts
31 Oct 2008 8:00am
Good question ? I took lessons a few years ago with Rob at Mullaloo . He taught me to launch with kite land side . But now council have installed fence line right the way allong the beach dunes ???? It looks pretty scary now ????? What do others recon ???? Looks like someone could get hurt bad if they hit that ????
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
31 Oct 2008 9:07am
First up, modern kites with masses of depower make it extremely unlikely that lofting will be your biggest problem should a launch go wrong. If you are launching in conditions that are that sketchy you should not be on the beach at all ie Miami cyclone.

Biggest problems come from not having the kite rigged correctly in the first place, such as crossed stearing lines or lines back to front. Kook proof conections and colour coding should minimise this risk and should be mandatory. If your kite does not have this set up change it. Rig your kite the same way every time and double check especially if a friend has helped you rig.

Launching over the water makes the most sense if conditions allow because that is the way the kite will pull you - towards the water. Launch, keep the kite low, head straight in, sail away. Narrow beaches can make it imposible to launch this way, such as at Kurnell where kites are generally launched from atop a small dune. Not ideal or safest but the local conditions dictate.

Now just to confuse the issue, I have seen, more than once, a kite being launch over the water, the lower stearing line come off and the kite sail overhead out of control and crash into the car park. This comes back to careful preparation. Be prepared for a mishap.

Next, don't ask anybody you don't know to launch your kite unless first asking them if they have experience. Well meaning, inexperienced people can wreck your day. I would prefer to self-launch than have a novice do it for me. Inexperienced people can launch you from too far up wind, down wind or just fling it into the air when you are not ready.

I hope this ramble helps. In summary, launch the safest way for local conditions. Think what could go wrong and minimise risk. If fences are an issue go water side but this may mean the launcher has to get wet. Use common sense.
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
31 Oct 2008 9:15am
There are benefits of both.

Launching with your kite at the water's edge means cleaner air. Less chance of turbulence to muck up the launch. Downside= your body (hurty bit) is 30m from the safety of the water and all of your window is over the beach. 3jono's is right. Downwind is where you'll get smashed.

Launching with your kite over the beach and you at the water's edge means your kite is more likely to be affected by turbulence created by dunes etc. However, as half of your window is over water your hurty bits are less likely to get smashed.

Every location is different and a safety plan in your head is the best way to prevent injury.
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
VIC
1159 posts
VIC, 1159 posts
31 Oct 2008 10:45am
I think the main factor affecting lofting potential is the downwind lie.of the land. For example a steep embankment not far downwind such as in direct onshore conditions and a sand dune will cause updrafts which will loft you if you are unlucky.

If it is sketchy I would say, put the depower on full for the launch and then let it off when you are in the water. If you launch to the water side you don't have to put the kite at 12 o'clock until you are in the water ready to do your water start. But I haven't seen anyone be lofted in 18 months of kiteboarding (that's not to say it doesn't happen) but I have seen a fair bit of dragging face first along the ground.
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
31 Oct 2008 8:48am
Bigwavedave said...

There are benefits of both.

Launching with your kite at the water's edge means cleaner air. Less chance of turbulence to muck up the launch. Downside= your body (hurty bit) is 30m from the safety of the water and all of your window is over the beach. 3jono's is right. Downwind is where you'll get smashed.

Launching with your kite over the beach and you at the water's edge means your kite is more likely to be affected by turbulence created by dunes etc. However, as half of your window is over water your hurty bits are less likely to get smashed.

Every location is different and a safety plan in your head is the best way to prevent injury.



Big wave dave has pretty much nailed it. It is best to launch with your kite on the water side so it has clean air. Many land sided launches go wrong due to turbulent winds causing kites to backstall or luff and power up unexpectedly.

There is an exception to this rule. When the powers that be in council erect the most dangerous fence possible it is best to keep your body (as dave says, the hurty bits) well away from the fence.

If you get flung, you want to make sure it is no where near solid objects. Again this comes down to common sense and you should weigh up ther pro's and con's of each launch. Obviously clear wind is a big bonus but being away from obstacles that could disembowel you is better.

It's great to know self launch but if there is someone who knows what they are doing, an assisted launch is always preferable.

Launches don't always go wrong from wrongly connected lines, it can be a piece of dried seaweed, a snagged line, a tangled line or pulley. So much can go worong, especially in strong winds.

Always think first and last and err on the side of caution. Be safe! I hear someone has already been injured by the councils new fence at Mullaloo.

Good winds,


Oakie
Oakie
WA
268 posts
WA, 268 posts
31 Oct 2008 9:00am
KIT33R said...

First up, modern kites with masses of depower make it extremely unlikely that lofting will be your biggest problem should a launch go wrong.


Do not pass go or collect $200... always assume that the kite, for some reason, may not depower...

Also, the reason people in WA (pinnas particulalry) tend to launch with the kite beach side is that as the sun goes down, it gets hard to see the lines and check that everything is fine before launching.

FreeFerty
FreeFerty
NSW
169 posts
NSW, 169 posts
31 Oct 2008 12:08pm
I normally launch beach side for the cleaner air. But purely thinking of the launches I have seen go wrong the kite has always shot over to the other side of the window (I guess thats the "gone wrong bit". Dragging the kiter diagonally downwind towards the opposite side the kite was launched from.

Launching with depower can sometimes reduce your steering authority unless the wind is really strong.

Technique of the launch is important too, many people are in a hurry, wether it is to get on the water or let the launcher get back to setting up his/her kite. But so often I see kites launched from too far forward in the window. The kite gets up for a sec, the bar gets pulled in and the kite stalls and comes back in the window, trips the bottom edge on the sand and is now pointing straight up well inside the window. I prefer a launch with a small amount of power so the kite will fly forward from the launch.

Anyway thats enough of a rant from me.


Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
31 Oct 2008 10:30am
oakie has a point there.. although i mostly launch kite on beach side with me next to water, just convenient because i set my kite up closer to land so person launching doesnt have to walk and so wen its launched i hit the water straight away
jonojonojono
jonojonojono
79 posts
79 posts
31 Oct 2008 10:55am
Bigwavedave said...
your hurty bits are less likely to get smashed.


:-) I wear a cup, so my hurty bits are invincible :-P ROFL


FreeFerty said...

But purely thinking of the launches I have seen go wrong the kite has always shot over to the other side of the window (I guess thats the "gone wrong bit". Dragging the kiter diagonally downwind towards the opposite side the kite was launched from.


Snap a front line, tangle a bridle, get lofted, loop the kite. Downwind you go .99% of the time within 10degrees of downwind.

Remember after the third loop and you're being dragged over gravel, with only 3 lines intact and your jeans are wearing thin, you should release that safety :-/




Does anyone walk up the beach , or into the dunes to "safely" land their kite towards the water?? Why is that?
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
31 Oct 2008 1:08pm
"I hear someone has already been injured by the councils new fence at Mullaloo."

Is it possible Darren, that WAKSA contact the local council about this fence. We contacted the local council here and had an unsafe fence repaired at Dolls following an accident.You may be able to have it removed or modified if it's a safety issue. Councils hate being sued after an accident following a formal complaint.
vishy
vishy
WA
451 posts
WA, 451 posts
31 Oct 2008 11:35am
Interesting points have been raised, I guess it mainly comes down to the local conditions and launch are.

Main reason I asked was in regards to launching at North side of City Beach, as a few people launch with the kites on the beach side which just seems a bit dodgey with the wind comeing over the groins etc. especially with the chance of the kite falling back in the window then powering back up again...

Thanks
Matt
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3510 posts
WA, 3510 posts
31 Oct 2008 12:00pm
I always launch with kite beachside(now fenceside), me by the water. I figure Im at least 30 mtrs from the fenceline (not as far away as I would like to be) and have at least got water on one side of the window.

Kitehard said...



Always think first and last and err on the side of caution. Be safe! I hear someone has already been injured by the councils new fence at Mullaloo.

Good winds,





Ahhh but what a fence it is!! Streching along what was once a nice natural pristine beach there is now this timber and wire structure (kiter trap) that directs/funnels people onto the half dozen or so well worn paths across the foredunes that have been there for years anyway. Tell me again please someone from the shire council, why was the fence built, was it really...... "to keep the rabbits out"
LaurieP
LaurieP
WA
123 posts
WA, 123 posts
31 Oct 2008 12:53pm
Yep, depends on conditions - at Lucky Bay, where there is hardly any beach, to launch beach-side would mean the assistor would have to stand in the water up to their neck almost and the kiter would still be on the road.

Depends on the locals too - the locals at Pinners can get a bit ansty if you dont do it waterside.

Cheers.
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
31 Oct 2008 1:13pm
kite towards land, can't really expect people to walk out into the water to launch me (cott is really narrow)
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
31 Oct 2008 1:25pm
laurie i have never heard any of the locals at pinnas say anything about water side launches... and i am one of the locals?
LaurieP
LaurieP
WA
123 posts
WA, 123 posts
31 Oct 2008 3:43pm
Wasn't meant to be criticism, just an observation that it's good to do what the locals are doing in the interests of harmony. That probably goes for how the lines are laid up on the sand for setting up etc.

I am a bit clumsy and, if possible, prefer to launch kite beach side with me standing waist deep in the water with the board floating next to me. That way there's less chance of me tripping over my dumb feet walking down to the water, stooping to retrieve my board on the way. I have got a few gentle hints there to do it like everyone else. No dramas.

One guy got a big narky last summer along the lines of "this is how we do it at this beach and it I want him to launch me then this is the way its going to be and if I dont like it then I know what I can do". Does that sound like you

Cheers.
Flux
Flux
WA
533 posts
WA, 533 posts
31 Oct 2008 7:40pm
Laurie sounds like that One guy is an exception as most kiters aren't knobs like that, at least the one's I know aren't.
But really alot of our beach line doesn't really have the room to allow you to self launch water side,on high tides unless you use the lane ways as your launch spot, but thats general beach access point so not a good idea anyway, so I always set up beach side.
Also like some of the other guys said earlier you have depower on most kite brands these days that the early 4 line C kites just didn't have that was when **** could easily go horribly wrong, i's quite forgiving now in that launch fully depowered more downwind angle and it's pretty controled I find anyway.
As for the fence up Mulla's well why was that put there , too keep rabbits out , I don't think so being it's not a dense style fence?, but the posts can serve as a good anchor point to self launch using that method and it's safe as houses.
The wind at Mullas is pretty crisp shore line imo and not much turbulance but yea it could catch someone out if they say pulled a kite loop in the surf and it went wrong, either way it is not really needed is it? The fence that is?
In a side rant I noticed two guys assisted launch 100 % hot launch the other day a Pinnaroo, I thought wtf? Another guy went over there to obviously help them and inform the two twats but from what I saw it meant nothing as they continued like idiots trying to launch this way, be on your guard there amoung us!!!!!

gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
31 Oct 2008 10:42pm
Good question Vishy.

Most locations are cross on, so it doesn't matter all that much. However, given the choice my preferences for launching are in offshore wind, then side shore followed by cross on. Don't much like the full on shore, but will do that to

My rules are below.

Launching

CLEAR
Launch buddy preferred.
Flag leash to one line kill and depower.
Hold safety and visualize using it while being launched, or launching.
Test kite in air.
Clip from kill line to chicken loop.
Power up and ride away.

Landing

Depower.
Clip leash to one line killer.
Decide where to land....if alone and windy, I like to flog it in the water.
Undo donkey, bring kite down while making sure there is clearance if you have to release.
Bring kite down at window's edge and unhook just before it either hits the ground or caught

Always imagine pulling the release and best to have your hand on it while landing and launching.



FreeFerty
FreeFerty
NSW
169 posts
NSW, 169 posts
1 Nov 2008 11:24am
Sometimes I have my hand on it even when not launching and landing.
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