Light wind twintips?

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Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
15 Mar 2004 8:51pm
Gday all.

Getting frustrated over here in Melb with the light winds starting to prevail. I have a 2 kite quiver 12 & 16 and ride a 155 twintip with not a lot of float (Torquay Hog). I weigh around the 90kg mark & find that I need 12knots+ to get planing on the 16 and 16knots+ on the 12 (dont laugh, thats about as good as it gets on the bay )

I am looking for a light wind board & have an opportunity to get hold of a Stonker Shark 180 i.e. 160 one side & 180 t'other. I'd prefer a twintip as I dont really go with the whole gybing caper.

I hear that these boards are surfboard like construction? Has anyone had any experiences with them & if so whats the feedback? What sort of $$$ do you reckon a new one is worth?

Cheers All

Tom
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MikeN
MikeN
WA
368 posts
WA, 368 posts
16 Mar 2004 9:57am
If you want early planing you need width not length . Going to a long board like that MIGHT get you going earlier but is going to be a pig to ride .
Something like 140-150 by about 43 wide with very little rocker is going to get you the best bottom end and still give you an enjoyable ride .
It will cost you a fair bit more but it will be worth it .
16 Mar 2004 10:49am
Yes, its all in the width(girth) not the length
ianyoung
ianyoung
WA
649 posts
WA, 649 posts
16 Mar 2004 12:18pm
I would have to disagree with the generalisation about length vs width - it's more planing area that get's you going upwind in lighter winds - that can be achieved with length, width, more concave, or radical things like my RF "rail fin" design - see http://members.iinet.net.au/~ianyoung/boards.html#RailFin if you're interested.

Riding style has a significant impact on choice of board design - if you like carving hard turns over onto your toe-side then a wide board may not be the way to go.

Long, narrow directional boards can actually turn very quickly (you don't have to switch your feet if you practise going toe-side) - my big wave board is a 210cm x 39cm directional. Narrow boards hold an edge in much stronger winds than a wide board ie a long, narrow board will have more wind range.

Long TT boards have too much hanging over the back foot IMO and can be much harder on your knees etc when landing big jumps or the front foot is ripped out of the strap if you land trying to sink the tail.

Anyway food for thought :-)


Cheers,
Ian Young
www.flysurf.com.au
0414 716 812
Mr Plow
Mr Plow
VIC
428 posts
VIC, 428 posts
16 Mar 2004 3:36pm
Thanks for the feedback so far - good to see different opinions & approaches.

Found a bit more info on the Torquay Hog dimensions...it is my first board, so I havent got anything to compare it to as far as riding experience goes...but, it does seem to be very thin throughout which I am thinking means less volume & therefore less float.

Dimensions are 155cm x 400mm x 16mm (length x width x thickness). By contrast the Shark mentioned above is 180cm x 405mm x 35mm.

More info: http://www.finco.com.au/kiteboards.htm



...that name again is Mr Plow
PaulG
PaulG
WA
92 posts
WA, 92 posts
16 Mar 2004 4:23pm
I ride an Airush 150 Switch which is 43 wide. I weigh 80kg and am up on the plane in 10knots of wind with a 12m Airush Flow. I still have good control in 25knots and choppy sea. Sharp heel side to toe side carves are easy. I don't have a problem with the extra width.

Its difficult to get the board to slide without using some leg power but fitting some smaller fins might give it a looser feel on the water. I've tried taking the extra rail fins off but that doesn't seem to make much difference.

kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
16 Mar 2004 10:50pm
I havent yet seen one in WA but I hear that the gaastra satellite is pretty awesome for light winds. Heaps small but very wide.
I weigh 65 and on my 16m can get planing on a 139 eboard mojo in under 10 knots.
Just go and ask some of the shops and see if they will hire you a demo board to see whats good and whats not
gasman
gasman
WA
320 posts
WA, 320 posts
19 Mar 2004 1:33pm
Actually, I think its all in the fins.
I have a 142 underground mutant that rockets in 12 knotts withmy 14m. If I change to my 140 bidirectional, also underground, you feel like you have the handbreak on.

So I recon get a mutant as your low wind board, and have the pleasure of using it as your wave board as well.....holds the bottom turns better, and the up wind performance is much better.....very useful after you've gone down the line and need to get back up wind for the next wave.

For the record, Ian's directional boards are the fastest on the water in low wind...by far. And that's mainly because of the lift given by the big thruster fins.

Remember The Dark Ages (windsurfing).......lower wind, bigger fin.
sleek1
sleek1
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
23 Apr 2005 8:01pm
buy a 19 fuel. i weigh 96kg and can get going real easy.their cheap as **** second hand just dont be scared of it like all the *****s that will disagree with me. my most used kite last summer.
gasman
gasman
WA
320 posts
WA, 320 posts
23 Apr 2005 8:00pm
Sleek

you are even more bored than I am. You just replied to a 1 year old thread. I suspect that is a new record. Laurie?

Since you fly THE best kite, you don't deserve punishment, but, really, 96kg ..... sleek?
mattressbuster
mattressbuster
WA
177 posts
WA, 177 posts
24 Apr 2005 11:54am
This is an interesting thread ...

Lately we have been able to ride all the airush boards side by side with varying kites and have generally found that the bigger kites match up well with bigger boards.Small boards and big draggy kites are a dog of a combination.

Bay FAR the best light winder has been the EXILE (135 x 47 !) which actually works well up into the middle of your kites wind range - maybe even 2/3 in to it because it has sensational shaped rails which hold power .

Second in light wind performance is the Switch 155 (45 wide). Some of the old directionals kill it in light air too.

The funny thing about the Exile is that it feels like a surfboard in the light stuff which means you can get drive through a bottom turn and good projection out of a lip. Its quickly becoming my favourite board because you get near strapless surfing surf performance with all the jumps and freestyle possibilities of a twin tip all in the one board that will get a 12m upwind in 11 knots !

The Exile has been the surprise of the Airush range this year with distributors unable to keep up wit demand worldwide as once rideers try them they generally just want one !

RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
25 Apr 2005 7:20am
hey for someone in melb you don't have far to go.

Stonker in port melb. have a very special light wind board that I tested on my students last year in fiji.

contact Alex at Stonker tell I sent you.

this board is wiiiiide and still easy to ride and planes in nothing. If your kite flys then this board is an option.

best winds
Tony Lorenz
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