Line twists & back rolls

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shodan
shodan
WA
60 posts
WA, 60 posts
2 Dec 2009 6:59pm
Hi guys,

l fly a pair of '09 Rebels & have just started to land back rolls and have found that after a long session doing back rolls l end up with extremly tight twists in the centrelines to the point that the 5th line is completly usless. Quite apart from the obvious danger of the kite not depowering if l have to hit the QR theres the annoyance factor of having to spend the time untwisting the lines before l can head out again. Would fitting a swivel to the centre line solve the problem & where on the lines would you fit it? And just so l dont get a whole bunch of people saying "front rolls will untwist the lines" l'll do that as soon as l can do front rolls.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
2 Dec 2009 10:50pm
"front rolls will untwist the lines" - oh wait...

It sounds like you are doing your back rolls all on the same tack.

To fix that either do front rolls on the same tack or back rolls on the opposite tack.
Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
2 Dec 2009 11:08pm
before i could front roll i would loop the kite on which ever transition undid it. not really loop, just down turn or what ever its called. makes for nice fast carving transitions. (pop to toe side and pull hard on your front hand so that the kite turns downwards and then under and then powers through the window as you go down wind then back the other way)
kevinwd1
kevinwd1
QLD
125 posts
QLD, 125 posts
2 Dec 2009 10:41pm
I think the new 2010 bars allow you to untwist the lines while you are riding. You may be able to buy the new Iron heart and attach it to your 2009 bar?
sandman
sandman
WA
432 posts
WA, 432 posts
2 Dec 2009 10:13pm
do not get stuck in a rut, learn to do back rolls on the opposite tack. if you continue doing backrolls one way only you will get frustrated when you have to start learning them all over again going the other way and will probably not bother. This sucks when you progress more and more and you can only do tricks going on way.

It is hard to motivate yourself but I strongly suggest learning a new trick on both tacks as soon as you can.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
3 Dec 2009 4:18pm
Down loop on transition is definately the best solution and feels really good
koma
koma
VIC
760 posts
VIC, 760 posts
3 Dec 2009 7:21pm
Inspiration to learn front rolls asap?
... but as the others have said, you need to learn to backroll in both directions otherwise you'll end up with one massive leg and one underdeveloped one.
shodan
shodan
WA
60 posts
WA, 60 posts
3 Dec 2009 5:09pm
Good advice all, but l need to learn to jump of my right leg before l can backroll in both directions. As far as the down loop transitions go l've had a go at then a few times but is another thing l'll need to work on although l dont think thats going to fix the twist problem as each transition will only fix one twist. But its a good excuse to start trying front rolls.
Danger Mouse
Danger Mouse
WA
592 posts
WA, 592 posts
3 Dec 2009 5:19pm
Definately learn to backroll in the other direction. you should always try to nail a trice in both directions from the get-go.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
3 Dec 2009 8:57pm
^^^^ what they all said.

You can also just loop the kite as you ride along. It's kind of fun and good practice for when you start doing kite loops or big downwinders.

Just head a bit downwind and pull firmly on your backhand.
kiteprincess
kiteprincess
QLD
9 posts
QLD, 9 posts
5 Dec 2009 8:10am
Obviously, down the track, tricks on both tacs are the way to go. In the meantime, try twisting your centre/front lines in the opposite direction when setting up on the beach, this will give you a bit of a head start as you'll be able to do a few backrolls before your lines are become straight. Imagine my line twists when only able to do a back roll one direction and a front roll the opposite direction!
waxman
waxman
SA
1390 posts
SA, 1390 posts
5 Dec 2009 9:06am
Try some different brands of kite.

F16 's get the twist out.[}:)]
Teracis
Teracis
15 posts
15 posts
5 Dec 2009 7:51am
I had the same issue, at first I would just go into the beach and turn around the opposite direction until the twists were out (with kite at 12)

Soon I learned to downloop while turning (you will find this is from the tack you cant backroll on to the tack you can) to undo the lines

Now, I backroll both ways, sometimes I don't even unspin the bar between them (when just practising rolls both directions)

Good luck, its always fun though.
fellodawind
fellodawind
65 posts
65 posts
5 Dec 2009 11:29am
Not intending to hijack the thread but once you start doing rotations line wear becomes apparent.. im guessing maybe your get 400 or 500 rotations before you need to replace the lines

This question may have already been asked but i couldnt find anything relating to it

Can we prolong the life of the lines by applying some sort of lubricant??

What do kiters do or is replacement the usual option
Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
6 Dec 2009 5:49pm
sometimes i find there's no time for lubricant..
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
6 Dec 2009 6:49pm
^^^^^^^or protection
kiter77
kiter77
VIC
273 posts
VIC, 273 posts
6 Dec 2009 7:47pm
There is some spray yachties use sailcote? which reduces the friction. I was wondering how sleeving the lower lines with a thin tube would work. Maybe the lines would slide within the tube?
Another alternative is to just cut and replace the worn areas of the lines using the good section of discarded twist worn lines.
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