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Adrenalin Rush
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16 Apr 2007 4:12pm
Just to let you know the proposed criteria for our event. This will be unlike many other events you come accross.

We have decided to split the devisions in the following.

- Pro mens
- Pro Womens
- Pro Junior

- Open Men
- Open woman
- Open juniors.

"Pro" means, a rider who is directly sponsored by a kite or board company (Slingshot, Naish etc). This will keep it fair and allow the unsponsored riders the opportunity to be noticed and enjoy competinig against people at their similar level.

Also we would like to dedicate more of the event to Boarder Cross and Downwind racing to again involve those riders who have often been left out of past compettions, However, there will be a Freestyle event as this is the most popular genre of the sport but we would like to develop other genres to allow maximum participation.

Boarder Cross

Our boarder cross event will be run in heats of 4. The idea is to race around a set coarse, jumping an inflated sausage in the middle. there are no extra points given for style, height etc it is simply first over the line. Quick and exciting geat for spectators.

Freestyle

The Freestyle event will be held in flat water and will include kickers and sliders. If hitting these, helmets must be worn. A judging criteria for the freestyle event has been submited by Cindy Mossey of New Zealand and will be also judged by her and a panel of judges.

Downwinder "Dash for Cash"

Also a downwind race will see competitors race a 2km stretch. First past the line wins $$$$.

We have invited a few well known riders and celebrities and below is a list of people who have sent their apologies for not attending this years event. Hopefully next year.

- Sir Richard Branson
- Kritine Boese
- Andre Phillips
- Ben Wilson
- Shannon Best
- Alvaro Onieva
- Clinton Bolton
- Moe Goulde (high 4)


It was great to even get a reply from some of these celebs. Hopefully they will book it in for next year.

Thanks to all that have helped so far and I hope to see everyone there.

Joe Millen






Josh K
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16 Apr 2007 4:37pm
very nice, HI 4
angie pangi
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16 Apr 2007 7:18pm
is there prize money for all devisions?
Free BBQ?
Adrenalin Rush
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16 Apr 2007 9:08pm
quote:
Originally posted by angie pangi

is there prize money for all devisions?
Free BBQ?




We are working on Prize money for the Pro divisions and possibly prizes for the other divisions. Really depends if all of our sponsors come to the party.

Joe
ryan78
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17 Apr 2007 6:00pm
Hello everyone , The Mackay Kite Club and ARSA want everyone to understand that this event is every going to cater for both open riders and the pro riders ,so there will be pleanty for all the riders to have a good go at . Random prizes to be won and angie pangi you will get a brecky buger on sat and sun mornings
richrelative
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17 Apr 2007 5:45pm
YAY YAY, i think the prisoners in the 2nd world war got more than that.

Are long haird jews allowed to enter or win any of the divisions?

ryan78
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17 Apr 2007 7:49pm
they did but they had to build roads , we wont cut your locks or hand you a shovel
Adrenalin Rush
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18 Apr 2007 8:55pm
jock74
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19 Apr 2007 12:46am
How you going Joe and MelIs the comp running fri sat and sunday or is sunday a recover and relax day for those who have too travel.
sorse
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19 Apr 2007 10:26am
Hey I work for a kite company and get product instead of money, does this mean i have to do the pro devision,
In most sports pro riders are the ones who are paid. Hence they have cash prize money. Opens would recieve only prizes as to recieve cash would then make you a pro..
I think this devision is long over due as compo no.s has been dropping in open men as most locals don't want to compete against the sponsored boys coming in from out of town. I sreally good to see joe.
Could you list some judging criteria as well, hence do we have to wear bindings to place and park the kite ( wake style) or is this a freestyle event?
How about listing celebrit who will be attending?
will congo be there?
ps was great to see you at tannum ripping jof and mel, can't wait to get up to mackay..
Adrenalin Rush
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19 Apr 2007 10:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by sorse

Hey I work for a kite company and get product instead of money, does this mean i have to do the pro devision,
In most sports pro riders are the ones who are paid. Hence they have cash prize money. Opens would recieve only prizes as to recieve cash would then make you a pro..
I think this devision is long over due as compo no.s has been dropping in open men as most locals don't want to compete against the sponsored boys coming in from out of town. I sreally good to see joe.
Could you list some judging criteria as well, hence do we have to wear bindings to place and park the kite ( wake style) or is this a freestyle event?
How about listing celebrit who will be attending?
will congo be there?
ps was great to see you at tannum ripping jof and mel, can't wait to get up to mackay..




Hey mate.

Its goes like this, in my opinion and I would like to hear some more feedback on this topic.

If you get gear given to you in any way, I believe you have the upper hand on the people who buy gear for themselves and dont have the luxury to ride the latest and greatest gear. Our aim is promote and develop a competition that is fair to the divisions and offer amataures a chance to be noticed by the kite companies and possibly one day become sponsored themselves.

This is going to be a hard one to police, however i would expect that people who dont pay for their gear with cash would go in the Pro division, and those who still pay for their kites whether it be a shop rider deal or straight out retail price would enter the Open diviion. I as a shop owner still have to pay for my own gear, so I would possibly enter the Open division....

Whats your thoughts on this one...........??

At the end of the day its all about maximum participation and fairness.

Joe

jock74
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19 Apr 2007 10:58pm
[}:)]you got a rank amatuer division for those who have only been riding 4 months like myself. cause there ain't no way i'm going up against you.
Adrenalin Rush
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19 Apr 2007 11:09pm
quote:
Originally posted by jock74

[}:)]you got a rank amatuer division for those who have only been riding 4 months like myself. cause there ain't no way i'm going up against you.



Hey Jock, your commin up hey?

Nah, i want to ride in the Pro division cause im one who likes a challenge but i need lots of wind to pull mt arsa out of the water.[}:)]
Adrenalin Rush
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20 Apr 2007 12:03am
ye got some pics sent through to me, dont remeber many of them but.
tannum_kiter
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20 Apr 2007 8:04am
MOOTO is my bet to take out the comp...............If he doesnt something is wrong. High 4..........
Leadinedge
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20 Apr 2007 1:29pm
What a great idear to seperate the field.
I have been talking to a few of the upcoming local girls about going and they are a little worried about going up against the more experienced girls.
I think this will really encourage more people into contests.
Personally it does not matter what the prize, size of trophy, money is....Odds are I won't win....Chances are I'll just have a great time and be stoked to see new people joining the contest scene...
In my opion if you get gear for free or cheap, someone along the line is paying for it. If your ride at the level to get shop, dealer, international sponsorship go into the Pro field and leave the other field to the people who we need to enter to keep our sport growing NEWBIEs, social and unsponsored riders.
Keep up the good work ARSA......
This event will be awesome.
C U soon
Eye of the storm
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20 Apr 2007 1:44pm
Those riders who can do handle passes in the air should be considered pro. At least i think the're a pro.
Adrenalin Rush
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21 Apr 2007 11:21am
quote:
Originally posted by Leadinedge

What a great idear to seperate the field.
I have been talking to a few of the upcoming local girls about going and they are a little worried about going up against the more experienced girls.
I think this will really encourage more people into contests.
Personally it does not matter what the prize, size of trophy, money is....Odds are I won't win....Chances are I'll just have a great time and be stoked to see new people joining the contest scene...
In my opion if you get gear for free or cheap, someone along the line is paying for it. If your ride at the level to get shop, dealer, international sponsorship go into the Pro field and leave the other field to the people who we need to enter to keep our sport growing NEWBIEs, social and unsponsored riders.
Keep up the good work ARSA......
This event will be awesome.
C U soon




Thanks mate.

Thanks for the support.

Joe

Adrenalin Rush
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21 Apr 2007 11:25am
quote:
Originally posted by tannum_kiter

MOOTO is my bet to take out the comp...............If he doesnt something is wrong. High 4..........



Motto for president.

sorse
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21 Apr 2007 12:28pm
Hey arsa sorry i didn't mean to offend you with my question just thought I'd put it in there early so when someone does ask you later you will have an answer for them..
for instance someonbe wrote something about someone doing an air pass has to be a pro? You can't say because some one can do a handle pass in the air they are pro thats basing ability biase. I know some people who have riden for 2 years and are doing basic jumps i've known people who in 4 months are doing passes.
I have never won an event and have prob done more then anyone in australia, I don't do it to win I'm happy if i ride as well as i can reguardless of place. Main thing is I'm happy to be out of the office, mnaking new friends, meeting up with old ones, and hanging out having fun..
I can't wait to get away from this winter and up there and catch up with you guys and the crew. It will be a great event and alot of fun as the crew there are really cool.
Will see you all in a couple of months..

Capt.Gumby
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21 Apr 2007 1:24pm
Masters division (yes us old folk) not happening?
Adrenalin Rush
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21 Apr 2007 1:44pm
quote:
Originally posted by sorse

Hey arsa sorry i didn't mean to offend you with my question just thought I'd put it in there early so when someone does ask you later you will have an answer for them..
for instance someonbe wrote something about someone doing an air pass has to be a pro? You can't say because some one can do a handle pass in the air they are pro thats basing ability biase. I know some people who have riden for 2 years and are doing basic jumps i've known people who in 4 months are doing passes.
I have never won an event and have prob done more then anyone in australia, I don't do it to win I'm happy if i ride as well as i can reguardless of place. Main thing is I'm happy to be out of the office, mnaking new friends, meeting up with old ones, and hanging out having fun..
I can't wait to get away from this winter and up there and catch up with you guys and the crew. It will be a great event and alot of fun as the crew there are really cool.
Will see you all in a couple of months..





No offence taken. I agree with you on the point that people who can air pass the handle are not necesarily pro. If you can do complex moves, and are not sponsored then I think this is your chance to make your future happen. I definately want to see new unsponsored or unknown riders have the opportunity to be noticed.

Guys this event will be like a talent quest. New talent getting awarded for their efforts. Thats why you dont see Pennywise competing in your local Punk Battle of the Bands competition.

Adrenalin Rush
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21 Apr 2007 1:52pm
quote:
Originally posted by Capt.Gumby

Masters division (yes us old folk) not happening?



Hey mate. Masters division is a definate, both in Pro and Open but, if we dont get the numbers we may have to merge the 2.

We will be chopping and changing the events to suite how many people we have enter. Same as how many people are in a heat. We have set it for 4 at the moment but may need to increase it to 8.

Having 8 people in a Freestyle heat is no drama if the judging panel is sufficient.



andrewm
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21 Apr 2007 4:49pm
have a novice devision. State that its for riders who have been kiting 12 months or less. Anyone who comes in the top 3 or 5 has to move to open division the next year.

works best if your holding regular comps. Having actual obvious novices who are doing basic tricks seems to deter the guys who are really good from entering just to win. bit embarrassing for the guy in 1st place to start pulling 30 foot kiteloops and mobes when 2nd place is doing frontrolls.

and anyone who is that good within 12months well let them have a win and move onto opens next time.
rfw1
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21 Apr 2007 8:40pm
HAVE A BEST OF THE REST HEAT.
jock74
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21 Apr 2007 8:43pm
quote:
Originally posted by andrewm

have a novice devision. State that its for riders who have been kiting 12 months or less. Anyone who comes in the top 3 or 5 has to move to open division the next year.

works best if your holding regular comps. Having actual obvious novices who are doing basic tricks seems to deter the guys who are really good from entering just to win. bit embarrassing for the guy in 1st place to start pulling 30 foot kiteloops and mobes when 2nd place is doing frontrolls.

and anyone who is that good within 12months well let them have a win and move onto opens next time.



Excellent idea.
bellz
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22 Apr 2007 2:23pm
i agree cause ill be the 1 pulling 30 foot kite loops !!!!!!!!
Adrenalin Rush
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23 Apr 2007 10:44am
quote:
Originally posted by andrewm

have a novice devision. State that its for riders who have been kiting 12 months or less. Anyone who comes in the top 3 or 5 has to move to open division the next year.

works best if your holding regular comps. Having actual obvious novices who are doing basic tricks seems to deter the guys who are really good from entering just to win. bit embarrassing for the guy in 1st place to start pulling 30 foot kiteloops and mobes when 2nd place is doing frontrolls.

and anyone who is that good within 12months well let them have a win and move onto opens next time.




Great idea. This is basically what we are doing as I would hope that the individual would rate themselves in the correct category. Most riders who are doing the complex moves should set themselves a challenge and ride against the Pro level. This way you are letting the novice riders have a go.

It would be a much better to see an unsponsored, unknown rider come 3rd in the Pro then take out the Open division. You think?

Our biggest challenge at the moment is getting through this many divisions in 2 main days as Monday will be only used if we have too.

Thanks all for your input aswell.

Joe
ryan78
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25 Apr 2007 11:43am
good point joe , a real good op to push yourself and get amongst it
guy77
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25 Apr 2007 12:28pm
quote:
Originally posted by arsa

quote:
Originally posted by andrewm

have a novice devision. State that its for riders who have been kiting 12 months or less. Anyone who comes in the top 3 or 5 has to move to open division the next year.

works best if your holding regular comps. Having actual obvious novices who are doing basic tricks seems to deter the guys who are really good from entering just to win. bit embarrassing for the guy in 1st place to start pulling 30 foot kiteloops and mobes when 2nd place is doing frontrolls.

and anyone who is that good within 12months well let them have a win and move onto opens next time.




Great idea. This is basically what we are doing as I would hope that the individual would rate themselves in the correct category. Most riders who are doing the complex moves should set themselves a challenge and ride against the Pro level. This way you are letting the novice riders have a go.

It would be a much better to see an unsponsored, unknown rider come 3rd in the Pro then take out the Open division. You think?

Our biggest challenge at the moment is getting through this many divisions in 2 main days as Monday will be only used if we have too.

Thanks all for your input aswell.

Joe



I also agree that a novice category is a great idea. Some other sports have defined novice as first competition, so the first comp you enter, you get to be a novice, after that you're onto the opens.

The only potential problem I can see with using the first-year concept is that different people have different time available to spend on the water, so you could have someone who gets out every second sunday up against someone who kites daily.

Having said that, I actually quite like the first-year = novice idea

So I reckon novice should = first year + first comp. Subsequent comps you move to open class.

Any thoughts?
jock74
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25 Apr 2007 1:09pm
quote:
Originally posted by guy77

quote:
Originally posted by arsa

quote:
Originally posted by andrewm

have a novice devision. State that its for riders who have been kiting 12 months or less. Anyone who comes in the top 3 or 5 has to move to open division the next year.

works best if your holding regular comps. Having actual obvious novices who are doing basic tricks seems to deter the guys who are really good from entering just to win. bit embarrassing for the guy in 1st place to start pulling 30 foot kiteloops and mobes when 2nd place is doing frontrolls.

and anyone who is that good within 12months well let them have a win and move onto opens next time.




Great idea. This is basically what we are doing as I would hope that the individual would rate themselves in the correct category. Most riders who are doing the complex moves should set themselves a challenge and ride against the Pro level. This way you are letting the novice riders have a go.

It would be a much better to see an unsponsored, unknown rider come 3rd in the Pro then take out the Open division. You think?

Our biggest challenge at the moment is getting through this many divisions in 2 main days as Monday will be only used if we have too.

Thanks all for your input aswell.

Joe



I also agree that a novice category is a great idea. Some other sports have defined novice as first competition, so the first comp you enter, you get to be a novice, after that you're onto the opens.

The only potential problem I can see with using the first-year concept is that different people have different time available to spend on the water, so you could have someone who gets out every second sunday up against someone who kites daily.

Having said that, I actually quite like the first-year = novice idea

So I reckon novice should = first year + first comp. Subsequent comps you move to open class.

Any thoughts?



arsa

I reckon that first year novice class would get alot more people involved in the comp, I competed in the 07 coconet classic and have only been up on the board riding since mid January this year and found that there were heaps of people that were too nervous or scared too enter because they were up against people who have been riding for the last 5 years.Even if the novice are put out with the opens just able to distinguish between them by a coloured tag hanging off there pants or something similar.

Thanks

Jock
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