Yeah wotever fool, iv benn doin this sport for 9 months and waves are not an issue .just learnt flat 3s and with a wake and surf background,but you keep tryin your (g)raleys and remember live by your words and stuff the leash caus (you dont take the easy way out do ya??? LOL). Spose big man why do you have a spreader bar you big unhooked man you.

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Wazza,

What about me?

I got my arse kicked harder than is has been for a while. Riding a 14m R4 with a home made 5th line setup. Overpowered more than I have ever been on that kite, so I ditched it. 5th line did its job mostly, but the kite flapping around still had enough pull to drag my sorry arse up the wet sand a couple of meters on my back (over a 30s period). To make things worst the leash (an old naish one which I had extended and moved the release point away from my back to "make it easier to release") had tied its self in a knot in the handle on my harness and I couldnt release it. Pretty happy I had a Prolimit harness with a releasable spreader bar on which I promptly took off, just before someone grabbed the kite.

The gusts at Norah Head which is visible from Toowoon were upto 45kts - 80km/h.

Definately made me re think the safety situation. The set up had been tested fine in winds up to 25 knots before, not sure whether the pull could be further minimised by modifying the setup of the 5th line. Im pretty confident that the system is set up with the stopper just before the point at which the kite starts flying inverted. However even holding the kite on the beach was a mission. Maybe its better to go back to the 4 line system? But I really like the 5th line system, for its resistance to tangling when you are droping the bar learning something new. Definately will be replacing the leash with something nice and fat.

Cya

Pete

Wave, I think you said it right for me.

Sounds like my current rig is perfect for waves, while I'll need a suicide leash for flat water for unhooked stuff.