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Naish Wind Wing?

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Created by KIT33R A week ago, 13 Apr 2019
KIT33R
NSW, 1644 posts
13 Apr 2019 12:39PM
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Early days. Something new

EastCC
QLD, 275 posts
13 Apr 2019 12:53PM
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Was new in 1982.

cauncy
WA, 7044 posts
13 Apr 2019 11:00AM
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EastCC said..
Was new in 1982.


And you'd still look a twat in 2019

KIT33R
NSW, 1644 posts
13 Apr 2019 1:13PM
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EastCC said..
Was new in 1982.


Adding a foil makes it feasible.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1626 posts
13 Apr 2019 11:28AM
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Pros
Opens up a Huuuuge market doorway for those interested in foiling but not interested in kiting..
Easy self rescue.

Cons

Tennis elbow until they get a harness line saughted.
Being water level you lose the wind speed higher up restricting use for non wave/swell areas.

Future

Is already here...
There are some very fast aerodynamic wings with land speed records.. adjust your imagination a little and there you are.
Noobs on tubes..
Advanced on carbon..
And No tennis elbow - they've got it saughted years ago.



kitewing.com/product-category/wings/

I think Mr Robby the Legend could put Naishs windsurf race designers to work and instantly bridge the gap for very very fast foiling gear.
I think it would be great to see it develop :)

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 749 posts
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14 Apr 2019 11:50AM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Pros
Opens up a Huuuuge market doorway for those interested in foiling but not interested in kiting..
Easy self rescue.

Cons

Tennis elbow until they get a harness line saughted.
Being water level you lose the wind speed higher up restricting use for non wave/swell areas.

Future

Is already here...
There are some very fast aerodynamic wings with land speed records.. adjust your imagination a little and there you are.
Noobs on tubes..
Advanced on carbon..
And No tennis elbow - they've got it saughted years ago.



kitewing.com/product-category/wings/

I think Mr Robby the Legend could put Naishs windsurf race designers to work and instantly bridge the gap for very very fast foiling gear.
I think it would be great to see it develop :)


Kitewing = Dumbest name ever though.
Its not a kite, it is some sort of wing though. Kites are flown from lines, they need to be flown on one or multiple lines in order to be defined as a kite.
Otherwise its a wing thing thats trying to cash in on the phenomenal popularity of kiting.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1626 posts
14 Apr 2019 12:14PM
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Whats in a name ? who gives a rats

So who said kites need to have lines to be called a kite - the name Ozone (kites) has nothing to do with ozone in the Atmosphere - duh
If a kite is sitting on the ground with no lines attached, what is it called ?
In the video at 35 seconds - hes attached by cool looking Nappies to a harness line and holding onto a bar - a bit like your non atmosphere related kite attachment huh
Heres a kid not skating but running with a kite or is it a double decker bus Baa haa haa whatever



bjw
NSW, 2670 posts
15 Apr 2019 7:13AM
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Why don't they have a harness line?

KIT33R
NSW, 1644 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 9:43AM
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Looks like Kai Lenny is having a go. Note: Ozone brand on wing.
www.facebook.com/kai.lenny/videos/784022448664471/?t=0

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1626 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 10:40AM
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bjw said..
Why don't they have a harness line?



Because the little girls dog ran off with the bar

Falco
71 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 12:10PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..

SaveTheWhales said..
Pros
Opens up a Huuuuge market doorway for those interested in foiling but not interested in kiting..
Easy self rescue.

Cons

Tennis elbow until they get a harness line saughted.
Being water level you lose the wind speed higher up restricting use for non wave/swell areas.

Future

Is already here...
There are some very fast aerodynamic wings with land speed records.. adjust your imagination a little and there you are.
Noobs on tubes..
Advanced on carbon..
And No tennis elbow - they've got it saughted years ago.



kitewing.com/product-category/wings/

I think Mr Robby the Legend could put Naishs windsurf race designers to work and instantly bridge the gap for very very fast foiling gear.
I think it would be great to see it develop :)



Kitewing = Dumbest name ever though.
Its not a kite, it is some sort of wing though. Kites are flown from lines, they need to be flown on one or multiple lines in order to be defined as a kite.
Otherwise its a wing thing thats trying to cash in on the phenomenal popularity of kiting.


Looks like ozone have entered the kite wing market..........





Kamikuza
QLD, 3758 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 2:27PM
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Falco said..


Ozone Kites Aus said..



SaveTheWhales said..
Pros
Opens up a Huuuuge market doorway for those interested in foiling but not interested in kiting..
Easy self rescue.

Cons

Tennis elbow until they get a harness line saughted.
Being water level you lose the wind speed higher up restricting use for non wave/swell areas.

Future

Is already here...
There are some very fast aerodynamic wings with land speed records.. adjust your imagination a little and there you are.
Noobs on tubes..
Advanced on carbon..
And No tennis elbow - they've got it saughted years ago.



kitewing.com/product-category/wings/

I think Mr Robby the Legend could put Naishs windsurf race designers to work and instantly bridge the gap for very very fast foiling gear.
I think it would be great to see it develop :)





Kitewing = Dumbest name ever though.
Its not a kite, it is some sort of wing though. Kites are flown from lines, they need to be flown on one or multiple lines in order to be defined as a kite.
Otherwise its a wing thing thats trying to cash in on the phenomenal popularity of kiting.




Looks like ozone have entered the kite wing market..........






It'll be the best WingWang ever, I'm sure. Let the WingWang waving competition begin!

Mmm, egg... So tasty....

Peahi
VIC, 1035 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 2:48PM
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KIT33R said..
Looks like Kai Lenny is having a go. Note: Ozone brand on wing.
www.facebook.com/kai.lenny/videos/784022448664471/?t=0


that guy makes anything look good (and easy)

shano82
WA, 66 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 12:58PM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Pros
Opens up a Huuuuge market doorway for those interested in foiling but not interested in kiting..
Easy self rescue.

Cons

Tennis elbow until they get a harness line saughted.
Being water level you lose the wind speed higher up restricting use for non wave/swell areas.

Future

Is already here...
There are some very fast aerodynamic wings with land speed records.. adjust your imagination a little and there you are.
Noobs on tubes..
Advanced on carbon..
And No tennis elbow - they've got it saughted years ago.



kitewing.com/product-category/wings/

I think Mr Robby the Legend could put Naishs windsurf race designers to work and instantly bridge the gap for very very fast foiling gear.
I think it would be great to see it develop :)


You've gone to the opposite end of the spectrum to where my mind went. When I saw Robby Naish's pic, I first checked the date it was posted to see if it was an April Fools joke. Pretty much wrote it off as pointless from his pic, but once I saw his video, I started to wonder if it would gain popularity as a beginner activity (think holiday resorts & tourist beaches, with inflatable sup boards, "glass bottomed" kayaks etc). Less skill/gear involved than kiting or windsurfing to get moving, can use the inflatable sups once the wind picks up.

But then I saw Kai's video, and realised the potential that the foil opens up - except foiling is very much NOT a beginner activity.

The more I see of the concept in action through the videos, the more I wonder if it may catch on, particularly for waves. Seems to me you could do a shorebreak downwinder using one of these on a surfboard instead of a kite - advantage being less gear involved. Don't see it overtaking kiting or windsurfing for boosting/freestyle though.

So far that's Naish, Ozone, and I'm pretty sure I've seen something from Cabrinha teasing these too - so it looks like they may be here to stay for the short-term at least. They've obviously decided there's a market - industry has moved beyond the crazy experimental days I would've thought, particularly with the big brands involved.

Either way, if it's another income source for kite factories, seeing as it's essentially a little 3m kite - would it be too much to hope that if they take off they could help keep the price of kites down through economies of scale?? :)

Youngbreezy
WA, 502 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 3:04PM
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Just using my basic reckoning but I think this is a very niche item as it's just limited to very big boards, sups, sup foil boards and maybe the biggest prone foil boards and surfboards.

Where it might be useful is as a simple convenient add on to make any of these sports wind powered. They would probably pack down really small with no need for a mast, harness or bar and lines. Just have one stashed in your sup/surf/foiling kit and your good to go as soon as a bit of wind kicks up.

You would almost definitely want to be using these for waves as I imagine the amount of fun you could have in flat water would be very limited.

Kamikuza
QLD, 3758 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 5:41PM
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Naish, Ozone, Slingshot, Duotone, F-one...

It's a game changer.

lotofwind
NSW, 5016 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 5:57PM
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Kitewings a 4m but turns like a 12

Looks like windsurfing, but more free and unrestricted by the pole dancing pole So looks to be a progression step for windsurfers that want to kite, as most do, but are scared of kite lines that they always seem terrified of.

Kamikuza
QLD, 3758 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 7:27PM
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lotofwind said..
Kitewings a 4m but turns like a 12

Looks like windsurfing, but more free and unrestricted by the pole dancing pole So looks to be a progression step for windsurfers that want to kite, as most do, but are scared of kite lines that they always seem terrified of.



Nah they turn almost instantly but it's a pivot and they make no power in the loop.

lotofwind
NSW, 5016 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 7:46PM
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How do you untwist your arms

toppleover
QLD, 1497 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 7:55PM
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lotofwind said..
How do you untwist your arms


Give it a couple of million year's , if it's a game changer - I'm sure humans will adapt.

Kamikuza
QLD, 3758 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 8:58PM
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lotofwind said..
How do you untwist your arms


You bring your hands together as it goes into the wind or you turn downwind, then swap them. It's actually quite intuitive. Honest.

Kamikuza
QLD, 3758 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 9:07PM
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Crikey

weebitbreezy
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Monday , 15 Apr 2019 7:19PM
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Have to say I fancy a go. Will have a look out at the demo days. Would be good for travel to different spots as you don't need the launch space you need with a kite so I could get out at a bunch of different beaches that are too crowded to launch a kite from.

I have read that some of them will work down to sub 10knots (I'm guessing this is with a REALLY big surf wing) and if thats true then it would make a good marginal/gusty wind day a bit more fun (the 12 knot day where the wind shuts off to 3 knots every 20 minutes)

KIT33R
NSW, 1644 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 9:02AM
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Kamikuza said..
Crikey



I must be getting old. I remember when that video was new.

Ozone Kites Aus
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Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 12:37PM
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weebitbreezy said..
Have to say I fancy a go. Will have a look out at the demo days. Would be good for travel to different spots as you don't need the launch space you need with a kite so I could get out at a bunch of different beaches that are too crowded to launch a kite from.

I have read that some of them will work down to sub 10knots (I'm guessing this is with a REALLY big surf wing) and if thats true then it would make a good marginal/gusty wind day a bit more fun (the 12 knot day where the wind shuts off to 3 knots every 20 minutes)



No offence Breezy. I'm just amazed reading forums and social media, how much some people are talking themselves into this "new" sport, and imagining uses for them that are not going to work.

You can forget about one of these working with your twin tip or surfboard unless it is seriously nuking, and even then I doubt if you could do anything except go downwind, if you could get going/planing in the first place.
They have to be small otherwise the dowwind tip hits the water/ground. Think 2.5-4.0M sizes
They will not be lightwind weapons, kites and particularly foil kites combined with hydrfoils will be the light wind weapons of choice for a long time to come IMO.
You could putt along on a sup in 10 knots, downwind, getting off the beach in onshore conditions will be very hard to possibly impossible.
Brands, resorts, owners will need to be very careful that people do not take them on the water in offshore conditions (that would be rideable with a kite or windsurfer)
They are super awkward to water start unless you are already standing on something like a SUP, this will be their biggest market, and there is a lot of arm strain or strength required.

Naish and Duotone seem to be the keenest at the moment, Ozone is still testing and are unsure about some of the points above.

Who will guess the Retail prices? I'm thinking under $1000.....

Kamikuza
QLD, 3758 posts
Tuesday , 16 Apr 2019 6:42PM
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They (the concept anyway) go upwind fine.

When you're tooling around, you just hold it one hand and it "flies" itself. Like ... that little girl and the kite Robbie does it briefly in his video.

It really seems limited to -- or well suited to -- a SUP and foil (there's video of people trying to use Kitewing with regular surfboards and it looks painful) ... it looks easy with the right gear.

There's very little arm or grip strength needed and it looked like Robbie has a harness line in his video, a la windsurfer.

drsurf
NSW, 25 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 1:14AM
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I think the Wind Wing style of thing is definitely aimed at SUPs. Naish is and always has been big in the SUP market and Ozone not really.
The SUP market if you live on the coast is huge. I live in a regional area and we have a SUP warehouse, and SUP manufacturer/importer! On family beach day weather there are SUPs everywhere. There is a local business here that is flat out teaching how to paddle a SUP. (Some inside knowledge, it's not that hard.)

Given such a market you can potentially sell a Wind Wing product to SUP users whether they foil or not. It's certainly going to be easier, with a little practice, to let the wind do the work instead of a paddle. And if you have paddled a SUP in the wind, it's not that much fun, having a product that uses the wind will potentially encourage people to use their SUP more. Even if they buy the wing and rarely use it a sale is a sale.
And then just like there are SUP foil crossover boards and foil only SUPs, there will no doubt be new models of SUPs marketed to be better suited to Wind Wings and that = more SUP sales. Simples

Waiting for JB's demo video...

airsail
QLD, 316 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 5:28AM
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So when the winds up we have the kiters and sailboards out at our local on Moreton Bay, no sups as conditions are really crap for them. I spend my time foiling the runners downwind then tack back upwind to get the next lot.

There is no shore break to get out through, the runners are only a 2-300 mtrs offshore. Now if you can get back upwind with one of these I can see the sup downwind brigade joining us when the wind is up.

7-Nation Aust
QLD, 104 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 11:10AM
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We have seen the #SLINGWING concept grow from garage tech idea to a full blown obsession. We asked Tony Logosz about the development process and here's what he had to say: "I've been getting a lot of questions lately about #slingwing. Everybody is starting to jump on board with this concept. Here's my response. Development started in 2011 as the first inflatable kitewing for Sup surfboards, unless someone has proof otherwise which I'd like to see. The first time I foiled with it was in 2015. It's a great tool for an introduction into wind sports because it's lightweight, it's inflatable which makes it easy to store, and it floats. No boom, no battens. It's very easy to learn how to use on a floaty board , and super fun. I think it will get people who don't kite or windsurf addicted to being pulled by the wind. For the kitefoiler or windfoiler, they might see it as a novelty which has lower performance than kiting and windsurfing on a foil but it has its own niche because of a different kind of freedom being a hand held kite. Add big foil wings and it's finally ready for the mainstream market."









7-Nation Aust
QLD, 104 posts
Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 11:26AM
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shano82
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Wednesday , 17 Apr 2019 11:20AM
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7-Nation Aust said..
We have seen the #SLINGWING concept grow from garage tech idea to a full blown obsession. We asked Tony Logosz about the development process and here's what he had to say: "... I think it will get people who don't kite or windsurf addicted to being pulled by the wind. For the kitefoiler or windfoiler, they might see it as a novelty which has lower performance than kiting and windsurfing on a foil but it has its own niche because of a different kind of freedom being a hand held kite. ..."





I saw the Slingshot post on FB, and these comments made complete sense to me.

If you're on these forums, then you're probably already in the 1% of the population who can kitesurf. Even of SUP boardriders, those who kite would still be a small percentage. So while the concept may seem a bit naff/pointless to those of us who get out 100 days a year and cruise upwind, ride waves and/or boost 5m+ with a kite, there's a whole other "99% of the population" (to steal a quote from the marketing for another kite product) who might see this as a less intimidating form of what we do.



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