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Tooks
Tooks
NSW
6 posts
NSW, 6 posts
11 May 2007 12:38am
G'day guys, i've taken a keen interest in kiteboarding recently and am definately keen to go into it, went down to a kite shop the other day and enquired about prices and such. And i just wanted to ask for some different opinions.
The overall price i was quoted for all equipment was around $2800 brand new everything (kite, board, harness, lines n ropes etc.) Now since i havent taken any lessons yet, but definately will, im a tiny bit worried about spending so much money on something i know very little about (though i do trust the kite shops quotes and advice). Is buyin 2nd hand gear a bad idea for beginners? or is it just best to go all out on new gear knowing the it will last. Im sure i'll love the sport and will be dedicated to it. But yeah for a beginner just wanting some advice please. The gear was 9m slingshot kite $1700, (dont remember size of board, im 70kg n 177cm if that helps) the board was $800 and i was told rare as gold for my size board.

So yeah any advice or tips for a beginner would be great.

Cheers Tooks
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
10 May 2007 10:44pm
In many ways you would be better off buying second hand.
First lot of gear always gets trashed

But before you do, go and get some lessons, not only will you get a taster for the sport but you will/should also get some sound advice about appropriate gear.
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
11 May 2007 1:15am
What PR said!
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
11 May 2007 8:02am
get down to your local kite spot and chat to as many different kiters as you can and pick there brains.most of us are friendly and wont bite.
if buying second hand try and take someone with you that kites because as a noobie you wont know what your looking at.

be prepared for your life to change,suddenly nothing else in life will matter but wind.

told the guy that got me into kiteing that he has wrecked my life cause all i want to do is kite,i dont see family anymore,grass around my house is 4 foot high,cant remember what my girl looks like,no time 4 anything else but kiteing........AND I LOVE IT
ryan78
ryan78
QLD
53 posts
QLD, 53 posts
11 May 2007 10:04am
Hey mate , if you decide to buy brand new gear your quote $2800 sounds like someone is getting an extra $300 out of you . (kite 1700,board 800)if you look around a lot of shops will throw in a free lesson and harness. so it definetly pay to look around and try as much as pos and dont fall into the ride what everyone else is ,ride what suits you and be prepaired for sickies when the winds up . good luck
BoDiddly
BoDiddly
VIC
622 posts
VIC, 622 posts
11 May 2007 10:28am
The other bonus of getting a lesson or 2, you get to thrash their gear and not yours! then after you've got the nack get your gear, new or second hand, just do your research.

Good luck!
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
11 May 2007 11:57am
or just keep borrowing other peoples gear till they tell you to fek off.
joespencer
joespencer
QLD
167 posts
QLD, 167 posts
11 May 2007 2:09pm
just bought a brand new 2007 ocean rodeo "one " 12 m kite for $950 from Gabor, with bar and lines- supposed to be solid build and great depower- didn't need another 12, but $950 was too hard to resist- anyway there is a few left-

however may be a crap kite , will post again when i've tried it.

(rrd hypertype 12m 07, sb2 16m 07, OR one 12m- no brand/shop affiliations)
rusty7
rusty7
QLD
504 posts
QLD, 504 posts
11 May 2007 2:20pm
Newbie ...I was a newbie this year I went to a kite shop had lessons and bought brand new gear. I would suggest buying a second hand good condition kite like a rebel 07 12m,5th line kites are great to learn on as you make friends in the sport you will get to try other kites and then you can make an informed decission to buy new gear.Buy your lite wind board first again buy it second hand Try and ride as many boards as possible before you make your choice on your main board you can get some really good buy off the buy and sell on this site. Above all talk to guys who look like they know what they are doing .....and listen to the advice they give you. This will shortn up your learning curve as well, learning this sport is gonna frustrate the crap out of you at times, but everyone has gone through it, you struggle to get started on your farvorite front foot and then relearn all over again on your other foot then you get to walk alot until you can go up wind then the fun part starts. There is no short cuts to this don't radically modify your gear because someone tells you its the way to go. The designers and manufacturers know far more that some loadmouth on the beach.
Lotofwind is right your life is about to change. But you will luv this sport, good luck.
lotofwind
lotofwind
NSW
6451 posts
NSW, 6451 posts
11 May 2007 7:38pm
Hey tooks,
just sent you a message.
Buy a second hand board,imo,as it is more in your kite skills at first than a shiney new board.A few guys around here make there own out of a bit of ply and they rip,not suggesting you do this just an example of how it is more about your kite skills than what you are standing on.

Kite boarding - - 5% board skills,95% kite skills.
does everyone agree or am i a kook

where do you live?im always keen for a road trip,willing to help you out a bit and give you a burn on my kite,the more gear you try the more you will know what to buy
Tooks
Tooks
NSW
6 posts
NSW, 6 posts
11 May 2007 8:44pm
Cheers for all your reply's people.
Apparently the size board i was told is rare as gold to get, let alone 2nd. I dont remember the size unfortunately but im 70kg 177cm if that helps. Another big question was i got told i would need a 9m kite....whats the big diff in sizes? other then what wind conditions they are suited for. After all the advice (much apprieciated) i think i'll just go for the new equipment n try take care of it. Since buyin 2nd hand without knowing much will be too difficult and the new gear will last longer (hopefully). So any other people on here from newcastle? I usually go down n watch the kiters out on nobby's beach.
Samb0
Samb0
270 posts
270 posts
11 May 2007 7:05pm
Well Tooks, you will find that resale value of kites is pretty poor if you buy a new one. Get those lessons first, see how you feel about it. There is plenty of second hand stuff around. Some real good advice has been posted by various kiters here. You walk out of the shop with your $2800 worth of gear you would be lucky to get half that back if you want to sell. Try try try before you buy.
Blaster
Blaster
WA
501 posts
WA, 501 posts
11 May 2007 8:28pm
Tooks, Sambo is right. Go secondhand for gear that's been recommended in this post. At least you may only lose couple hundred bucks instead of big bucks.

The other thing I'd like to add, if I may.... IMPO you will progress quicker. I would not be going for some of the tricks I'm attempting if I was flying $2000 over my head. It would just be to heart breaking to put a new kite through what my 2 have been through in 4 months.
Benny G
Benny G
VIC
29 posts
VIC, 29 posts
11 May 2007 10:55pm
Hi Tooks I allso agree with every one else go and get some lessons before you bye your gear and you will get a better idia of what size kite and board to bye a 9m kite sounds to small for your weight. the last thing you want to do is spend your hard erned on a kite that you might need to sell a month or two later because its to small.

Hope this helps have fun
tobes
tobes
NSW
1000 posts
NSW, 1000 posts
11 May 2007 11:26pm
Yep, good advice here Tooks. Welcome to Seabreeze. Bad advice given free of charge too, but looks like the collective wisdom is trying to help you out.

My advice,
Get a lesson.
Do some research about kites and gear, or ask for recommendations...
Buy recently second hand gear. With winter coming on it should be a buyers market.
I agree a 9m (even a SLE, bow, hybrid - if you don't know what that means, you should after a lesson or some time with google) would probably be too small for average newcastle conditions at your weight.
I suggest a 10-12m high depower kite, board 130-140 ish. Sounds like you've been given the hard sell on the board.
I'm about your weight, my most used kite is an Ozone Instinct 11m.....
Hope that helps, enjoy!
webbie
webbie
WA
14 posts
WA, 14 posts
11 May 2007 9:33pm
I just bought a second kite from www.surfconnect.com they have 2007 complete set for $1500 with free lesson. Check it out.
joespencer
joespencer
QLD
167 posts
QLD, 167 posts
12 May 2007 12:04am
that does seem to be a good deal from surfconnect-even though they are ex-demo kites- but still $1500 for everything is a good place to start.

the havoc does get good reviews- like the others have said depower is important when learning.

brand isn't really that big a deal- it would be hard to buy a crap 2007 depower kite. don't know any I would definitely steer clear of.

i would get the wlf 140x46 board in the package to learn, and keep it for later as your light wind weapon.

good luck, and safe kite-ing...

Slack
Slack
WA
685 posts
WA, 685 posts
11 May 2007 10:36pm
Tooks, I have only just started and would definitely recommend lessons first. I THEN bought my near new gear (2007 model) off ebay for about half price. If you buy new you could be the one selling them at half price in 6 months time.

You are going to love it!
rusty7
rusty7
QLD
504 posts
QLD, 504 posts
12 May 2007 9:54am
tooks as i said earlier talk to guys who know what they are doing and ....LISTEN to the advice given, 100%of the response you have been given is buy second hand first, if you have heaps of spare money then whos cares.Buy new. You will not know exactly the kind of set up you want until you have been kiting for a while. Don,t believe the bull**** that a board to suit you is rare.135 up second hand will be a good board to learn on and make a good light wind option later on .
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