Now he has a war in his own backyard! Dec 11th....was a long time coming in alot of so called redneck's eye's.

Redneck, racist or realist?

I consider myself a realist.

I thought (hoped more like it) that people in this country had progressed from "convict" mentality. Guess I was wrong, there are a lot of intolerant people in this country who just don't get it.

International embarrassment.

Hosko are you dreaming?

Next you'll be telling me that all Aussie guys behave perfectly toward women of all races.

What a crock. Did you see the text message that got everyone down there? That was about one thing - Violent Racism.

Wake up dude.

I won't post on this topic again either. It's way too heavy for a kiting forum.

Look, this i think has been along time coming, i dont think either nationality (even though we are meant to be australians) has acted very well. In my experience certain groups have not been very tolerant to the Australian way of life, and now the **** is hitting the fan, in Melb it was the greeks, turks, Italians Vs the Skips at school, then when i played in bands it was the punks, metal heads Vs the clubbers and rave heads, when i windsurfed it was the surfers Vs the windsurfers..etc etc etc always people bitching at each other Ahhhhhhh Well I have no idea how the Croc Dundee Australians and the Wog boy Australians can get along with each other? I personally dont care where your from, if ya a good person then your alright with me. hirschausen i dont think its the convict mentality, yes its intolerant people from all ethnic backgrounds, not just one, problem we now have is that each is retaliating back and forth. Will this esculate to the degree it has in other countries? Remeber its just a bit of Bifo at this point, in other parts of the world they are killing each other over the same **** on a regular basis. I for one will support anyway to help calm this down and will continue to live in my fantasy land where everyone gets along.

arent we lucky that we all love something that anyone can enjoy. that has so many people from all sorts of back grounds and i never see anything but good people enjoying a common interest. we have all sorts kiting all& u ever get is people helping out with launching and landing, with advice for the new guys and even the banter about xbows is all tongue in cheek and everyone know's it.

dont see good stuff like this making the front page

" Your typical 'Aussie bloke' is no angel. The highest sexual assault rates occur in rural NSW (20 x that of Sydney), where the immigrant population is next to zero.

I know that some Lebanese have behaved in a disgraceful fashion, such as the incident with the lifeguards. However, this doesn't justify 5000 screaming yobbos going around bashing up anyone looking vaguely foreign.

That was a national disgrace."

what the ???? ANY sexual assult is wrong, some lebanese??? Typical aussie bloke? whats that, really now, what does that look like albi? tell me please because an aussie bloke now is very diverse. what? yobbos??? This is not a national disgrace, it is a wake up call, it is wrong, its is a bad sign, and is not an Australian only problem this is world wide, everywhere, we have just escaped it for the most part, like i said its only punch ons at present wait until they start shooting each other and then blowing each other up, then we will be in the ****.

Doesnt help when the media tend to sensationalise the ethnic gang problems around the capitol cities.I mean u cant go a week without one of these stories being on a current affair or today tonight on how these so called ethnic gangs are ruling one neighbourhood or another.Not that i agree with It, but it was only a matter of time before something like happened. but i put alot of the blame fairly and squarely at the feet of the main street media.Live and let live there are more important things in life.

public opinion is changing though......in 10 yrs this event may be considered as a good thing. especially when u consider the huge influx of ppl not just from the middle east but south east asia. i'm not a racist bigot but the opinions of the australian public are certainly changing towards being less racially tolerant in the wake of terrorist activities etc.
anyway i know half of you are gonna abuse me now but i don't give a rats. just think what it'll be like in 50-100 yrs when the indonesians have taken over australia because they have outgrown their country. biggest muslim population few hundred km's from our northern coast, it worries me a bit to be honest.

i don't endorse the violence though that wasnt necessary and yeah did make us look bad but some of th ideas have merit.

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Originally posted by pezza

You can argue this one till you are blue in the face, there were things that both sides did that were moraly wrong, any one that has to go around in a gang to beat people up are bloody weak in my book and it seems that both mobs are doing it.
send them out in the dessert let them fight it out that way anyone who wants to be involved will be and leave the inocent people alone.

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right on the money pezza - everyone wants to blame someone else - the media, the government, foreigners etc. what about personal responsibility. no one forced anyone to pick up a baseball bat and smash in shop windows or bash strangers. brainless f*ckwits, the lot of em.

one point... as parents we have a lot to answer for ! this should be taught at home... I know my parents did... IMO, social pressure to be like the jones's requires both parents out to work these day's. My question to you is this ? Who's looking after your children ?.

I'm 32 and my mom was home for my sisters and I untill we were almost finished high school so was my wife's mom. Ok our children (2 x girls) are under 4yrs old and my wife will not go out to work untill she & I feel they have learnt enough about the world to beable to conduct them selves in an appropriate manner. I know some families simply have to have both parents out working, however ask your self this, if you culled your living expenses (all the sheit you dont need, materialist gear within reason) does your other half realy need to work ?

I believe in equal opertunites, however I'm also a little of a traditionalist and believe a mothers influence is golden with children at home...

oOnly one part of the problem however it is part of the problem IMO !

There is no way I condone the actions of the mob at Cronulla.
IMO that was a yobbo minority taking advantage of & influencing a group of frustrated but otherwise rational & law abiding citizens. People concerned about the level of lawlessness they see increasingly obvious in their society. People concerned for themselves, their safety and their lifestyle.
By international standards the Ocker Aussie is a pretty layback easy going law-abider. Sure the yobbo minority is there - always will be. But NO society is a lawful society without laws and without the law-keepers out there to keep everything in check. No-one, aussie or otherwise, has the right to behave unlawfully. No-one (in their right mind) will ignore the law if the sanctions are there & they know they will not 'get away with it'.
Our current laws do adequately reflect our expectations of acceptable behaviour. The frustration exposed through the Cronulla rampage is simply evidence that our law-keepers are not sufficiently aware or empowered to cater to the shifting % of society which is openly willing to break those rules.
Australia has a police force which, it seems, is lagging behind in its powers & numbers to maintain the cultural standards "Australians" have long known & expect. It should not take an incident like last weekend to highlight this point. It is not the job of Joe Citizen to control the behaviour of those around him. That is the job of the law makers & law keepers. I just hope that the unfortunate incident incites action to correct the problem rather than inciting more of the same.

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Originally posted by Andrew

Hitler would have considered him a realist to... wake up Dub74... there is never a need for that kind of crap!

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LOL, so I'm being put in the same boat as Hitler huh? Where did I ever mention I was a racsist, redneck? Sorry man go back to watching survivor and aussie idol.

I spent 27 of my 31 years living in Panania. Before you judge, wake up and have a real good look. Know why I was only foolish enough to spend 27 of those years there?

Because I wasn't going to raise kid's where you have to live in fear of your daughter's being raped because of racial hate! But yet they say they ain't racsist, we are.

Worked in a timber yard in western Sydney labouring with lebs that hate the place (Australia) and don't want to be here. Probably never even been to lebanon, but want to go back.

What team cause's the most problems in the NRL? No prize for getting this 1 right! The Bulldog's and the 1's stiring the **** are not there to watch the game. Just like the 1's that head out to Cronulla are not there for a surf. I would like to see that, PRICELESS!

Who shot up Lebkemba police station? Sorry no prizes!

Who stabbed Edward Lee? Sorry no prizes!

Why did the police avoid the street where Eddie Lee was stabbed when they knew dam well the leb's were selling drug's to everyone and anyone that would go down there?

Got kid's Andy?

Ever lived in western Sydney Andy?

"Them and Us" mentality, what a great way to live. It's all about being scared of something different.

Windsurfer : "If those kiters want to come and use OUR windsurfing spots, then THEY should learn to windsurf. That's the way it's always been. Maybe THEY should just go somewhere else."

KiteSurfer : "I can't believe THOSE windsurfers expect US to windsurf. WE are Kitesurfers and should not be expected to windsurf with THEM."


Might be better if everyone realised WE're all Wind sports enthusiasts.

Accept the differences, might make you happier and a better person.

Great analogy...except you seem to miss the whole point

(To continue with your windsports theme )

"THEY" hate the beach, don't kite, don't windsurf and don't appear to want to learn either.

It's all very well to say we gotta see things from both sides and learn to accept each other,and learn from each other, but it's painfully obvious that this isn't working for a small minority, who seem to resent the people and the country they have chosen to live in. Its not our fault if a certain culture refuses to, or is unable to assimilate, is it?

An email floating around which sums my views up:

"Australia- The Right to Leave
Our Country - YOU Have the right - the right to leave !
After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas
lights.
After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion
and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with
her face covered.
This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen. Published
in an Australian newspaper.

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IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It !
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending
some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on
Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority
of Australians.
However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically
correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that
our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor
do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life
by coming to Australia.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come
to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served
only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians,
we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our
own lifestyle.
This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become
part
of our society, Learn the language!
"In God We Trust" is our National Motto. This is not some Christian,
right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian
men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation,
and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate
to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you,
then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, Because
God is part of our culture.
If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair
Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another
part of this planet.
We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, And we
really don't care how you did things where you came from.
This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow
you every opportunity to enjoy all this.
But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag,
Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage
you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

"THE RIGHT TO LEAVE"

If you aren't happy here then f#@* off! We didn't force you to
come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU
accepted. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.

I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends (and enemies) it
will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all
try, please."

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Originally posted by hosko
This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen. Published
in an Australian newspaper.

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published in an australian newspaper indeed. stupid spam.