Overpowered on 11m - technique tips?

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Coral Sea
Coral Sea
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6 Jun 2005 1:11pm
I'm looking for pointers on staying in control while going upwind, when the kite is at the top of it's useable wind range.

I'm 78kg, riding Wipika gear (13.5m and 11m 2005 matrix kites, SS 135 twin tip board), started kiting in March this year but have 20years + experience in surfing and surf-sailboarding.

I'm currently working on an island on the far northern Great Barrier Reef -have been here for 2 weeks, another 2 to go. Problem is that the trade winds are solid at 25-30knots day and night and 11m is my smallest kite (apologies if that is an arrow through the heart of all the poor southern crew sitting in the cold waiting for wind!!).

Have had the kite out for a couple of great sessions when the wind dropped back closer to 20knots, planing back and forth, going upwind nicely, but it is right on the upper limit for the kite. I have my depower strap pulled on as far as it will go and still have to ride conservatively in order not to generate too much speed.

In yesterday's session a couple of stronger bursts came through, I guess 25 knots plus, I was already riding slowly upwind, kite low, bar pushed fully away to give max depower, edging the board as hard as I could, and when the gusts hit the kite just accelerated and I couldn't slow it down. Tried dragging my arse in the water as has been suggested in the FAQ on this forum...didn't really help...in fact it made me loose the edge and a nice lofting and tea-bagging followed.

Just wondering what else I can do in this situation, when already going upwind and with all the brakes on as it were? This situation is distinct from the down-wind overspeed problem which I also know about! I know the simple answer is "go out in 25 knots on an 8m kite not an 11m", but I'm sure many of the more experienced crew must have dealt with being overpowered, and for those of us with a limited quiver it seems to be a skill worth mastering, if for no other reason than to safely get back in to shore in the event of an unforseen wind increase.

Any tips or suggestions most appreciated.

peace

Dr Andy Lewis www.tevenei.com
PsYLoR
PsYLoR
QLD
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QLD, 927 posts
6 Jun 2005 1:24pm
Keep the kite as low to the water as possible, as the water creates drag for the wind and the wind is generally not as strong just off the waters surface. Also try dragging your front hand in the water, IMO this gives your body a more powerful stance in which you can edge a little harder & use your hand to create a bit of drag. Also try to spot the bursts of wind coming so you can prepare yourself by slowing right down keeping the kite low, edging harder before the gust and sheeting right out (if not already done)
Have fun a be safe
bondo
bondo
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6 Jun 2005 1:27pm

try adjusting the kite at the pigtails for depower, then adjust the depower strap as well. you might get a bit of extra depower this way - worked for me on a caution spitfire 12 up to 30 knots. i will say it wasnt much fun after about 27, so im saving for a smaller kite for the 25-30 range.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
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6 Jun 2005 2:20pm
Another way to deal with a strong gust is to turn sharply and run straight down wind. You will run under the kite a little and depower it - it only takes about 5-10 metres for the kite to depower and you will slow down, then when you feel in control you can cut sideways again. It won't work if you don't commit tho, make sure you turn nearly 90 degrees, don't just veer downwind a little or you will just power up. I use this one a lot if i'm riding toeside coz I can't edge as well, specially 'goofy' toeside.

Also I find that in strong winds you can either keep the kite low, like you are doing, or else try keeping it really high. I find if I keep it at about 11 or 1 o'clock when really overpowered and I can keep the board speed low and power upwind. You will feel really light on the board, can't dig the edge in anywhere near as well, but you don't need to coz it's not pulling sideways as much.

Option 3: Look around, if there's no obstacles or kiters within 100m (especially downwind) then SEND IT TO 12 AND FLY!!!! This is what the pro's do when overpowered.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
6 Jun 2005 1:03pm
Use a smaller kite and work it a little more to maintain planing speed. Get a sweat up.
You mentioned you had windsurfing experience....it's just like pumping the rig to hop on the plane. Same principle.
bondo
bondo
QLD
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6 Jun 2005 5:33pm

i like option 3 dave - pray for those strong gusts and send it!!
TimothyLeary
TimothyLeary
WA
142 posts
WA, 142 posts
6 Jun 2005 6:03pm
Get a 5th line !

Solve all your problems. Just give it a quick pull when you are overpowered.
Also shorter lines.
Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
6 Jun 2005 8:33pm
Thanks to all for those replies....some useful things worth trying....just what I hoped to hear!

Can I get people's opinions on what characteristics of kite performance they use to judge when a particular sized kite is too big for the conditions and it is time to change down?? Is it this runaway power experience or something more subtle??

Tim - have the 5th Line / Wipika CLS on the kite...are you saying just grab the leash line and give it a pull as the kite starts to get going?? Isn't that going to destabilise it and bring it down?

Slave - agree smaller kite is the most sensible option...working on convincing the wonderful female partner that another $1000 or so on yet another kite is actually quite essential.

Dave - thanks for the "send it high" tip....had a feeling something like that might work....if it is still pulling too hard down low, then up at 12 seems like the only other option short of ploughing it into the water! Am working in a situation at present though, with about a 2knot current heading in same direction as wind, so loathe to drop too much ground downwind....also island is very remote...downwind is the outer barrier followed by PNG!

Bondo - also thanks for reminding me about the pigtails...I do in fact have one more knot up my sleeve on the rear lines so this could help squeeze a little more range out of the kite.

Hope to hear some more from any interested readers. 20-25knots still on the cards for tomorrow so will give these things a try.

Andy
rohjar
rohjar
WA
142 posts
WA, 142 posts
7 Jun 2005 2:27pm
Another possible solution when being overpowered into a 'death run' is to swivel your board slightly so it's pointing more downwind, with its nose higher out of the water.

This is an efficient way to sink the tail of the board and slow down. After someone passed this pointer on to me, I found it so enticing to do (after all, the alternative is a tea-bagging, involuntary enema, losing board, losing ground, body dragging, walk-of-shame...) that for the next few sessions I did a huge amount of slow wallowing and bugger-all planing. My excuse to myself was that I was practising a new skill, but deep down I knew I was being a wuss and not living on the edge
bondo
bondo
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
7 Jun 2005 4:40pm
actually i will second that on the 5th, only started using it recently but have found it great for feathering the kites power.

I have a grab handle at the end of the 5th so that i can still depower the kite if im wearing a suicide leash, but mostly i just clip the leash to the handle itself (which runs through the steel ring at the top of my sheeting strap)

i have found you can feather the kite slightly and it will stay in the air but the power just drops off to a manageable level. great for a long walk out to the water in powered up conditions or if you are hit by a very strong gust on the water. only pain is one extra line to untangle.

Coral Sea
Coral Sea
QLD
476 posts
QLD, 476 posts
8 Jun 2005 7:38am
thanks for those additional pointers.

I had another session on the 11m in a solid 22-26knots yesterday, rear lines on the last knot, full depower, did seem to make the kite a little less powered up. Concentrated hard on keeping board speed manageable by really ripping the edge in if it looked like speeding up in the gusts. Seemed to work - I didn't fall off and landed after half an hour with the kite still dry :-)

would still like to hear from people on the tell tale signs that wind is getting up near kite's max range? (apart from the obvious - loftings and runaway down wind tea-baggings, etc)

I know from sailboarding, when the back hand had trouble holding the boom fully sheeted in and the fin wasn't handling the speed, it was a good pointer to change down a size. wondering if there are similar subtle things with the kite??

thanks

Andy


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