Ozone Sport - Unhooking in the waves - hate it!!

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dazed321
dazed321
WA
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16 Nov 2008 12:43pm
I have a couple of sports(9m and 13m), quite happy with them
BUT.......
when i unhook in waves the thing turns like a truck, feels like a piece of crap. whats the go??
Any mods to made maybe. Wake style unhooked- no c-kite but not to bad.

whats the deal

any help greatly appreciated.

cheerd
Abesy
Abesy
WA
266 posts
WA, 266 posts
16 Nov 2008 12:52pm
what yr models r they cause the 06 were 100 times slower than the recent 2008 kites???
i would also say that a 9m and 13m r big size kites for riding waves and would be better to park and ride in any brand of kite.
if ur after a kite that u can kite wip around unhooked look at smaller sizes like a 7m or even 5m, and to compensate for loss in power go a surfboard....
brucex
brucex
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
16 Nov 2008 2:00pm
have to agree with you - rode an 11 the other day in strongish winds
really inconsistent power delivery - when unhooked and heavy steering -
not to mention how complicated the the line set up is - the bridle looks like a xmas tree - hate to see it after it took a wave or 2
no clue on making it fly better - i tried a few different settings
if you want to ride waves - maybe get another kite
NSW, 4382 posts
16 Nov 2008 4:36pm
dazed321 said...

I have a couple of sports(9m and 13m), quite happy with them
BUT.......
when i unhook in waves the thing turns like a truck, feels like a piece of crap. whats the go??
Any mods to made maybe. Wake style unhooked- no c-kite but not to bad.

whats the deal

any help greatly appreciated.

cheerd


Are they Sport 1 or Sport 2?
Trim it in a bit before unhooking, once you find the best amount of trim leave it alone.
Should not be heavy on the bar, but when unhooked it will pull more.

@Brucex - Sport 1 or 2

There's a big difference between the kites, Sport2 is well regarded as a wave kite and good allrounder, in a similar vein to the Rev2

The bridle is no more complex than whats on most SLE kites and there are NO pulleys, so very direct feel. There is one extra line to connect, no way that can be decribed overly complicated???

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
NSW
295 posts
NSW, 295 posts
16 Nov 2008 7:58pm
brucex said...


not to mention how complicated the the line set up is - the bridle looks like a xmas tree - hate to see it after it took a wave or 2




give it a few tugs, get it into a relaunch state, and relaunch, had mine 3 years and always been able to relauch after a crash in the waves
dazed321
dazed321
WA
160 posts
WA, 160 posts
16 Nov 2008 9:41pm
Lastest model 08 Instinct 2
I only unhook with9m, the 13m is a joke!!!
I have tried every position with the depower strap- fully, mid quarter etc etc.
It is a great kite, until you unhook,
I thought maybe move the steering lines back????
And yes i do ride a surfboard in the waves!!!
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
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16 Nov 2008 10:29pm
Hi Dazed321,

I don't know what you are up to because I have no problem with Ozones in the waves (any model).

What I don't understand is why or how you are wave riding on a 13m kite? If the wind is so light that you need a 13m Sport to get going on a surfboard, then it it too light to ride down the line in any case.

The moment you turn down the line on a big kite, your lines will go slack and you definately will have a steering issue, in fact you'll have a "keeping the kite in the air issue".

You need a small kite to ride surf unless it is 'cross off', in which case you won't be unhooking or you'll be pulled out the back of the wave.

If you seriously want to unhook and make the kite turn faster and less prone to stalling in down the line wave riding, I suggest you lengthen out the line adjusters on the back lines and attach the front 5th line position to the knot closest to the kite. This will accomplish what you want, but you still won't be able to ride down the line unhooked, too little wind speed to be sustainable. Wait for 20+ knots and ride your 9m, or better yet, get a Light II 7m.

You need a minimum of 20 knots to effectively be riding downwind down the line in the waves. If you are holding onto a 13m in 20 knots, you'll have bigger problems that lack of turning.

Good luck, I hope this helps,

kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
16 Nov 2008 11:27pm
if you hate it so much you can always take up golf
Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
17 Nov 2008 8:46am
Hey Darren

you've been in WA too long (taotally spoilt for wind ) most lard arses like me around here don't even own a 9 m as there is hardly ever enough wind and you gotta wave ride with a 11/12/13 .The light is an awesome wave kite in the 12 and will get you out in the light stuff that we seem to get heaps of too (tho I don't unhook ) .

Regards

Lach
dazed321
dazed321
WA
160 posts
WA, 160 posts
17 Nov 2008 9:34pm
What ever!!

I mainly talking about the 9m (sometimes I TRY and kite the waves in light wind?? ) we don't all live in WA

I have used torches 8 &10m and switchblade 3 before. And there both perform MUCH better than the 9m sport 08 unhooked. For such a good kite hooked in, it seems really strange it doesn't work unhooked.

I have spoken to pro riders while in Indonesia and asked them to have a go and they thought to was awful as well, hence I ask for maybe some small mods, like i know people do with the light.

I guess it is a old mans kite

kitesurfbali
kitesurfbali
WA
531 posts
WA, 531 posts
18 Nov 2008 1:32am
Hello Dazed,
the mod for the Light give faster turning while hooked in but make the kite more stally.
doesn't seems to give any advantage when unhook.
Also I'm not sure it will be any good on a Sport, haven't tried.

I wonder who did try your kite and where!
Bye Jankie
NSW, 4382 posts
18 Nov 2008 9:26am
dazed321 said...

What ever!!

I mainly talking about the 9m (sometimes I TRY and kite the waves in light wind?? ) we don't all live in WA

I have used torches 8 &10m and switchblade 3 before. And there both perform MUCH better than the 9m sport 08 unhooked. For such a good kite hooked in, it seems really strange it doesn't work unhooked.

I have spoken to pro riders while in Indonesia and asked them to have a go and they thought to was awful as well, hence I ask for maybe some small mods, like i know people do with the light.

I guess it is a old mans kite




Drop down to see me bring the 9M with you and I'll check everything, you can speak with Myles who works here and rides Ozone sports, unhooks and loves them.
I know the kite works extremely well unhooked but I just cann't figure out what you are trying to do with it or what you expect from it.?
Maybe you are simply trying to use it in too much wind, once you unhook its a big kite with no depower!!
Are you trying to ride unstrapped?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Aiolus
Aiolus
NSW
102 posts
NSW, 102 posts
18 Nov 2008 12:16pm
kitesurfbali said...

Hello Dazed,
the mod for the Light give faster turning while hooked in but make the kite more stally.
Bye Jankie


Hey Jankie,

What's the mod for the light, I may want to try it on mine?

Thanks mate,
Ian
kitesurfbali
kitesurfbali
WA
531 posts
WA, 531 posts
18 Nov 2008 11:17am
Ciao,
is been discussed earlier, but here is again.
It works on both the Light and Light II, I call it the Turbo mode.

The back line connect to a V on the Trailing edge.
Just open the V and connect the back line directly to the most rear attachment point.
You also need to make the back line a bit shorter (2cm), 2 knots on the bridle will make the trick.
Kite become faster and tight turn. A bit more stally but nothing much.
We did the mode in all our kites for over 1 year and no problems.
Just slide the front line of the V inside the back on so it doesn't dangle and you can change the mode back in 30 seconds.
NOt sure if it will work on others Instinct models.
Bye Jankie
Macca Wollongong
Macca Wollongong
NSW
295 posts
NSW, 295 posts
18 Nov 2008 5:59pm
what bar are you using on each of them?

Corrent me if im wrong i dont have the 9m but the 9m and 7m both use the smaller 55cm bar, and the 13m and 11m use the 65cm bar, they make a different if you swap them around.
Keahi
Keahi
QLD
853 posts
QLD, 853 posts
18 Nov 2008 6:13pm
65 cm bar on a 7 or 9m yeah right!!!!
JiP
JiP
NSW
130 posts
JiP JiP
NSW, 130 posts
20 Nov 2008 1:25pm
I have a 7m lite, 9m sport , and 13m sport 07's
I ride in waves all time, i havent had the need or the urge to ride unhooked at all, ....why bother ? th ekites depower ineough are stable enough to ride hooked in waves...the only time i have unhooked is when hitting a reo, and that is only for a split second just to get the extra "room" by holding onto the chicken loop. then i just hook back in no problem.
i certainly wouldnt ride down the line unhooked ??? why would you ?
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
20 Nov 2008 12:04pm
Get an Edge never need to unhook always powered
dazed321
dazed321
WA
160 posts
WA, 160 posts
23 Nov 2008 7:50pm
For the those people that question unhooked riding????

Do you know how good it feels to SMASH the lip the unhooked( not mention unstrapped)

For those who want a kite to depower when riding a wave(sometimes this is ok, I guess) probably can't surf anway( I'm mean really surf a wave without a kite) because I want power so like i said SMASH the lip twice as hard as I every had surfing, even when the surf is crap...

BUT I GUESS WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT!!!

I'm changing kites ASAP. this ones for the old men
Abesy
Abesy
WA
266 posts
WA, 266 posts
23 Nov 2008 10:32pm
sorry mr. but its not the kites, ur riding must be sh#t......
i use the kites for freestyle (sponsered by ozone and other brands), unhooked (unstraped) waves, and loopin!
there are probly the best all rounders u could get....
maybe not as good as the lights for waves but still rock solid and turn on a dime...
i would say either develope a new technique or get some advice and stop blaming the kites!!!! only tools that dont adapt blame their equipment. just look at the better riders out there that can use any gear to achieve amazing results.....

i wouldnt call them an old mans kite but i would say u sound like an old man complaining......
rusty7
rusty7
QLD
504 posts
QLD, 504 posts
24 Nov 2008 8:41am
I will give you $5 dollars each for this terrible gear............ and this will take away all your problems.
come on put your kites where your keyboard is
Kitehard
Kitehard
WA
2782 posts
WA, 2782 posts
24 Nov 2008 1:10pm
Hey Dazed,

I noticed the only kites you are selling are a Gin Kite and you are raving about that in the sale spiel.

You haven't even advertised your ozones?????

Could it be that you are a brand pimp for another brand? Someone that is concerned about the rapid spread of Ozone kites in your neck of the woods and the only way you have to combat it is to write a load of rubbish about the kites on forums?

I ain't pointing any fingers or anything, just the facts just don't add up so it just stinks of a troll.

Good winds,



dazed321
dazed321
WA
160 posts
WA, 160 posts
24 Nov 2008 1:42pm
Just to calm everyone down,
I like the OZONE it is super stable, GREAT for jumping (heaps better than the GIN!!!). Good for wake style, kiteloops- like I said no C-kite. But hey I'm no Ruben Lenton. Plus great construction/quality.
The only problem is that for such a good kite it doesn't seem to unhook in the surf. Hence I thought there might be some small mods to be made?? Because I have read in forums of mods been made to lights, that makes it perform better??
And Kitehard the Gin unhooked was sick in the waves and reason the ozones aren't for sale is because I'm not in Oz. But they will be in April when I back there, unless i can sort then out??

sorry for any confusion.



NSW, 4382 posts
24 Nov 2008 3:49pm
dazed321 said...

Just to calm everyone down,
I like the OZONE it is super stable, GREAT for jumping (heaps better than the GIN!!!). Good for wake style, kiteloops- like I said no C-kite. But hey I'm no Ruben Lenton. Plus great construction/quality.
The only problem is that for such a good kite it doesn't seem to unhook in the surf. Hence I thought there might be some small mods to be made?? Because I have read in forums of mods been made to lights, that makes it perform better??
And Kitehard the Gin unhooked was sick in the waves and reason the ozones aren't for sale is because I'm not in Oz. But they will be in April when I back there, unless i can sort then out??

sorry for any confusion.







All good then, but it is excellent for unhooked in waves, as you can see from riders comments above.
I suspect that you are riding it in too much wind/too powered, thats all. If you ride strapless, you have to ride a size down on a strapped rider or a TT rider in the same conditions, ageed?.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
dazed321
dazed321
WA
160 posts
WA, 160 posts
25 Nov 2008 12:59am
I think i'm just used to c kites.

And i know I not imaging the problems because have spent time in Vietnam with some of the team riders. And it was them that told me to check out the forums for the changes/mods. not many are kiting waves and couldn't help me.

lets just forget about this one then.

twannie
twannie
8 posts
8 posts
25 Nov 2008 12:18pm
So you know some teamriders right! hehe

You are a crap surfer anyway in the waves Rob ;)

When are you back in Nam? i will teach you how to ride unhooked with the Sports ;)


The General is waiting



dazed321
dazed321
WA
160 posts
WA, 160 posts
25 Nov 2008 9:35pm
Yeah I know a couple of losers on the ozone website, i think ones called twan and the other is some physco called skatoor.

you don't go unhooked in the waves??

how much for the lessons, I'm a cheap ass charlie, remember!

tell the General, i'll be there soon.

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