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Jon
Jon
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Jon Jon
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25 Apr 2010 11:02pm
NO

I need to but it's a bit of a bull**** policy if you read the small print, quite a big excess, doesn't cover a year from date of purchase, does it cover overseas travel?
Read this policy www.bpka.co.uk/ compare the 2. It's far superior.

The iko policy sounds ok BUT fine print says you need to have certified proof of lessons, so if you don't have and try and make a claim it could all go arse over tit.

LUCAS123
LUCAS123
QLD
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QLD, 104 posts
25 Apr 2010 11:02pm
yes, but for the second year in a row i have not revieved a tag
blow in
blow in
NSW
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26 Apr 2010 8:59am

Yes , I pay each Mambo as a requirement of the event . I haven't seen a tag in the last 2 years either .
stabber
stabber
NSW
1114 posts
NSW, 1114 posts
27 Apr 2010 7:15pm
pretty expensive tag.....Just buy a fluro keychain and hang it off ya harney!
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
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27 Apr 2010 7:27pm
What does a tag do? Protect you from sharks?

If you paid you are covered.... easy

My ute doesn't have a NRMA tag......
junglist
junglist
VIC
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28 Apr 2010 11:56pm
No official AKSA response to the insurance issue.

No debate, just silence.

Noted.


sir ROWDY
sir ROWDY
WA
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28 Apr 2010 10:11pm
I heard AKSA went belly up anyway and no one is covered in Australia at the moment? Truth or rumour?
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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29 Apr 2010 1:48am
junglist said...

No official AKSA response to the insurance issue.

No debate, just silence.

Noted.





Have you actually asked AKSA?

Pretty sure the AKSA people are too busy to read random seabreeze forums.

Last I heard is that you send an email to [email protected]


Haven't heard AKSA gone belly up but have heard whispers about IKO onstructor insurance but pretty damn sure they don't read seabreeze.
jas73
jas73
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29 Apr 2010 7:35am
yes
junglist
junglist
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29 Apr 2010 9:07am
Dave I don't need to ask AKSA anything as I already know the answer.

AKSA dont read this? Come on mate what boat do you think I just got off?
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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29 Apr 2010 12:28pm
junglist said...

Dave I don't need to ask AKSA anything as I already know the answer.

AKSA dont read this? Come on mate what boat do you think I just got off?


If you know the answer why are you waiting for AKSA to officially respond??

Having been on AKSA committee before and knowing how the existing committee are busy having lives as well as trying to be volunteers, I know that they usually pay no attention to random posts in this forum and don't get involved with petty whinging.

There is an AKSA section on this forum.

Got me beat why you are dissatisfied? What do you want for $65 ?

You will never get policies here to match the UK. Blame lawyers and the litigious nature of Aussies. Underwriters won't take the risk.

loverboy
loverboy
WA
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29 Apr 2010 11:34am
if you don't want to join - simple- don't.

why attack something that is for the good of the sport.... ?
prea
prea
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29 Apr 2010 2:27pm
was
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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29 Apr 2010 2:56pm
I love all the anecdotal references to what's wrong with AKSA.

Noone yet has come up with any actual facts.

For $65 you get PL insurance....the rest doesn't matter. It's not 'our money' because we bought something with it.

I have never heard anyone bitch about what IKO, AMP, RACQ, NRMA BKSA or any other body does with the money from the insurance premiums that we buy.

If you don't like the policy.....don'y buy it. $65 is good peace of mind money.
harry potter
harry potter
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29 Apr 2010 4:32pm
I suggest some of you go through the Old AKSA thread.

I personally got tired of smashing my head against a brick wall and gave up as did a few others. Of the 6-7 people I kite with on a reasonably regular basis not one is still a member ( all were about 3 years ago ) and that is a trend accross the board.

Ps: If my memory serves me correctly the insurance component of the $65 dollars is a grand total of $12.50 per member.

Where was AKSA during some of the recent council debates ? their mantra was about protecting kiters access to beaches etc....... It looks like this has been left to the state associations.

So what do they do ? What is keeping them soooooooooo busy that they cannot mail out membership tags etc.... ?

This combined with the speculation which arised regarding the misappropriation of funds ie: holidays etc... for comittee members family ( not sure if this was ever proved but there was enough smoke being made by enough people to make me suss ) resulted in a promised change at AKSA ( this was over 12months ago ) we ( those complaining ) were told by AKSA on this forum that there would be sweeping changes , new people were in charge etc...etc...etc.....and that improvements had already begun and that we should all back off and give them a chance to sort things out.

I will let you all make up your own minds as to the level of improvement !!!

my head hurts just thinking about this again
loverboy
loverboy
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29 Apr 2010 2:54pm
so does mine Potter- I know some of those involved in aksa and I know what they are like as people. I also know what they have to put up with at the hands of whingers like yourself.

The world is full of whining f#cks ready to take a swipe at the small minority who try to do something positive for not only themselves but others....
harry potter
harry potter
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29 Apr 2010 6:31pm
And we get the same old lines ..... nothing has changed.

If you dont like the work load dont volunteer, my indoor soccer club is run by volunteers, my yacht club comittee is run by volunteers, gun club, Car club etc... etc...... and they seem to ba able to run things without these problems.

Fellas seriously...the pooor volunteers line has been worn very very thin and in the meantime membership is plummeting and you guys keep your heads in the sand. I have checked the old posts it was October 2008 when I last banged my head over this Thats 18months ago

where is the action.???????

Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
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29 Apr 2010 6:33pm

Dividing up the Pot - Sunday, September 27, 2009
At Mackay in 2008 the inaugural board of state reps elected to maintain the status quo of fund division for one year while we collectively assessed the needs at both national and state levels. So 2008/09 was set to remain with to $30 to AKSA $35 to States. During the course of the year two rebates were mutually agreed on and applied such that at the end of the season AKSA was effectively funded with a total of $24.50 per member leaving $40.50 with the states.

At the series of meetings around the AGM in Perth this was one issue which was discussed. It was agreed that for 2009/10 the official split should be set at the new level of $25 to AKSA $40 to states. This has been passed and is now policy. The board will continue to refine all of these issues as the state reps redefine the whole AKSA/State relationship.

Members should be completely reassured that this is one issue which is clearly indicative of the total transparency and collective good which is a natural result of having a federal coalition working towards the best outcomes being achieved at all levels. It was a very satisfying move to have this funding policy adopted among our first decisions for the 2009/10 year.


Direct quote from AKSA.com

Not much change left once insurance, postage, tags, operating costs etc are paid.

Now stop your whining.
Jmorson
Jmorson
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29 Apr 2010 6:45pm
Im not a member, dont know anyone that is
Juddy
Juddy
WA
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29 Apr 2010 5:45pm
Here we go again. This tired, worn out bitchfest of pro/anti AKSA. FFS leave enough alone already. Some ‘don’t’ for whatever reason. Some ‘do’ for whatever reason. Those that do obviously see a benefit (like 300+ attending Kitestock this year). Those that don’t obviously don’t see a benefit. There’s enough crap on this site as it is. Let it go people.
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
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29 Apr 2010 5:46pm
Here we go again. This tired, worn out bitchfest of pro/anti AKSA. FFS leave enough alone already. Some ‘don’t’ for whatever reason. Some ‘do’ for whatever reason. Those that do obviously see a benefit (like 300+ attending Kitestock this year). Those that don’t obviously don’t see a benefit. There’s enough crap on this site as it is. Let it go people.
harry potter
harry potter
VIC
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29 Apr 2010 9:58pm
My last post on this, I'm getting a migraine

BWD, that quote from AKSA is nothing to brag about, they made a decision to change the % split between AKSA and the states.... woopee. they even describe it as " a very satisfying move " must have been many late nights to come up with that. And that's the best evidence you can come up with to support the claim that AKSA is being run correctly and providing adequate representation for it's members.

Membership of AKSA has plummeted when kiting as a sport is growing. Why ?
Without it (AKSA membership ) being a prerequisite at Mambo(ask the organizers their thoughts on AKSA ), kitestock etc.... Imagine what the membership figures would look like !

Any one who complains about AKSA or a facet of , is labelled as a whinger by both comittee members and their cronies ..... Great way to treat members or potential members.

Like I said before how come every other association or club ( all run by volunteers ) I am a member of does not have these issues ?

AKSA, for gods sake pay an administrator to run the thing. it is a national body and deserves someones full attention. Pass on the cost to members. If it cost each member an extra 20 or 30 a year people will pay but only if they see they are getting good representation, good communication and value for their $$$$ hold fundraisers or events, auction gear whatever is needed to raise the extra $$$$$ ( thats what other associations do ) or as big Dave and loverboy would prefer . stay as you are , do nothing, keep losing members until either the comittee is ousted or AKSA becomes so ineffectual and irrelevant that it collapses.

kiters, Support the state associations they do all the heavy lifting anyway ( also run by volunteers).

When I can see a change I will happily re join !



Ps: the tags are important they legitimize the association and provide evidence of membership to both kiters and the public alike. If AKSA don't deem them important enough to send out, why bother paying for them to be produced in the first place.

Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
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QLD, 2057 posts
29 Apr 2010 10:47pm

AKSA, for gods sake pay an administrator to run the thing. it is a national body and deserves someones full attention. Pass on the cost to members. If it cost each member an extra 20 or 30 a year people will pay but only if they see they are getting good representation, good communication and value for their $$$$ hold fundraisers or events, auction gear whatever is needed to raise the extra $$$$$ ( thats what other associations do ) or as big Dave and loverboy would prefer . stay as you are , do nothing, keep losing members until either the comittee is ousted or AKSA becomes so ineffectual and irrelevant that it collapses.


My final post ever on this topic.

There was a paid administrator. Then forum gangsters and one in particular whinged and complained that AKSA was wasting funds by paying her to post out tags and maintain membership register etc. Then she quit. And look where we are.

I too am in a few sporting associations -rugby, longboarding and soccer (none of them are perfect) but kitesurfers are the only ones who whinge and moan and bitch on forums but never get off their arses to fix things. Maybe its the nature of the sport? Pseudo-athletes, middle aged, too much time, and no team spirit.

Sorry if I rant. My pet hate is people who attack volunteer organisations and never get of their fat lazy arses to help. Imagine the cost of membership if we paid the commitee? (soccer costs me $450 per season)

Your choice-join your state association for $65 (and get AKSA insurance by default) or don't join.

Just don't bitch and moan unless you are prepared to help.
Taurus
Taurus
VIC
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VIC, 189 posts
30 Apr 2010 12:04am
Yes.
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
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29 Apr 2010 10:10pm
Bigwavedave said...

Sorry if I rant. My pet hate is people who attack volunteer organisations and never get of their fat lazy arses to help.
Your choice-join your state association for $65 (and get AKSA insurance by default) or don't join.

Just don't bitch and moan unless you are prepared to help.



You have hit the nail on the head.....
junglist
junglist
VIC
701 posts
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30 Apr 2010 12:06pm
I can’t believe the level of apathy and acceptance on this issue. You know the profile of the average kiter is somewhere in the mid 30’s which means the average kiter possibly has one or more of the following:

1. Job
2. Mortgage
3. Kids

Which means commitments that will suffer due to loss of income. Just take a while to think of what would happen to you if you broke your leg kiting and could not work. Lost job? Home repossessed? Little Johnny and Jane back at your parents? Not a pretty picture eh?

Personally I have income protection insurance so I am not pushing my own barrow. I simply do not believe that with the membership numbers AKSA has (I am assuming here) and the potential market of non members that limited insurance for personal injury is not negotiable with a supplier.

Dave, just because an organisation is volunteer based does not mean it is above constructive criticism and improvement. I am not bashing AKSA for the sake of it I am trying to stimulate a debate on an issue that affects all kiters. If you hold yourselves out to be a national association that ‘represents all kiters’ then you have to accept that people will discuss your practices and policies and discuss improvements.

Its called democracy.
KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
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NSW, 1716 posts
30 Apr 2010 1:11pm
All this talk seems to be about value for money. Fair enough. For a sport to be recognised and accepted national and state bodies are important. When someone complains to the local council about their kid being hit by a stray kite the council as a number of options. They can ban kiting at that location if there is no one to discuss the issue with, or they can speak to a representative from a recognised sporting club and work out ways to minimise the risk of future problems. Councils prefer the second option if they know that kiters are not just a loose collection of individuals with no regard for the safety of the public.

Which would you prefer?

Appart from the insurance issue here are a few small examples of what state bodies do that I know about.

If it wasn't for NSWKBA working behind the scenes all NSW kiters would now be wearing PFD's whether they want to or not.

Right of way issues on Botany Bay. NSWKBA has had discussions with the Maritime authorities and acted to keep good relations with the authorities and other water users.

Look at the NSWKBA Code of Conduct on the web site. Every member will receive a copy with their renewal. It's all about safety and access to our beaches.

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